christian rap and rock....?

[Stephen63]

Stephen,

i wonder where you're trying to go with this?
maybe you should email P.O.D. if you have questions specifically for them; i'm sure you can contact them via facebook or their band's website. or, if you find them offensive, maybe you shouldn't obsess yourself with them? i don't recall anyone on this forum actually mentioning P.O.D. before you.

if you are trying to make the logical connections:
P.O.D. bad, P.O.D. plays electric guitars and sometimes sings in a rap-like style, therefore all rap and rock is inherently satanic

then i think there are some obvious logical flaws in what you are trying to say.

if that's not what you're trying to say, could you leave off bashing P.O.D. for a post or two, and clearly explain what your point is?

thanks.

Gladly.
Everybody knows that christian music has tremendous influence on the church & the world. Could we go as far to say as influencial as Hollywood? In their careers they perform before millions.

1. In the televangelist world there are many known false teachers & prophets. It's known & believed.
2. In Hollywoon there are hypocrites by the thousands. It's known & believed.
3. In legitimate church denominations, there are fakes & criminals in leadership & behind pulpits. It's known & believed.

BUT IN THE CHRISTIAN MUSIC INDUSTRY, THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS A FALSE WITNESS, A FALSE TEACHER, A HYPOCRITE, A DECEIVER, A CRIMINAL, OR A WOLF IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING OF ANY KIND! IT'S IMPOSSIBLE FOR SUCH TO BE THERE! THEY DON'T EXIST! Don't believe me? ASK THE FANS!

It seems every "christian" entertainer is fully exempt of having such characteristics. Why? BECAUSE THEIR FANS DECLARE THEM CLEAN & HOLY!!

The last time I looked, I thought that was God's job.

The truth is, "christian" music artists is the only subject christians will beat up on you more than the subject of homosexuality. THE ONLY ONE.

NAME ONE "CHRISTIAN" ARTIST/GROUP THAT 10% OF THE CHURCH WILL AGREE IS EVIL. NONE EXISTS.

Maybe I ought to quit preaching & form a group myself. I can then sin all I want, make boatloads of money, run with the Satanists, trashtalk the church, & STILL REMAIN BLAMELESS in the eyes of christians.

Do you see my point now?

 

[Stephen63]

Hi Stephen63:

Have you listened to any Disciple?

Blessings.

No, but I found one of their songs:

Phoenix Rising

Images of everyone
Of what you see just illusions
Of what we were meant to become
Awakened fire of the Son inside

Everything within me cries out
The phoenix is rising, my heart overflows
Everything within has burned out
The fire is rising, new life has begun

And I'll never forget just who You are
Cut Your name inside of my heart
Touching the flame right where You are
Can You feel the phoenix rising?

Instances of what we've done
That walk to our destination
Of what we know we'll become
Awakened fire of the Son

Everything within me cries out
The phoenix is rising, my heart overflows
Everything within has burned out
The fire is rising, new life has begun

And I'll never forget just who You are
Cut Your name inside of my heart
Touching the flame right where You are
Can You feel the phoenix rising?

Never forget just who You are
Cut Your name inside of my heart
Touching the flame right where You are
Can You feel the phoenix rising?

Everything within me cries out
The phoenix is rising, my heart overflows
Everything within has burned out
The fire is rising, new life has begun

Never forget just who You are
Cut Your name inside of my heart
Touching the flame right where You are
Can You feel the phoenix rising?

Never forget just who You are
Cut Your name inside of my heart
Touching the flame right where You are
Can You feel the phoenix rising?

Meaning:

Exposing Babylon
In ancient Greek and Egyptian mythology, the phoenix is a mythical bird associated with the Egyptian sun god Ra and the Greek god Phoibos Apollo (Apollyon or Abaddon in Hebrew). It is a symbol of death and resurrection.Lately, the rising of the Phoenix ritual is being displayed all around us from ceremonies to TV shows, music albums and even some strange incidents around the globe. The question: Why?According to Manly P. Hall (°33 Freemason) the Phoenix will rise again:

The time will come when the secret wisdom shall again be the dominating religious and philosophical urge of the world. The day is at hand when the doom of dogma shall be sounded. The great theological Tower of Babel, with its confusion of tongues, was built of bricks of mud and the mortar of slime. Out of the cold ashes of lifeless creeds, however, shall rise phoenix like the ancient Mysteries.” (Manly P. Hall, The Secret Teachings of All Ages, 2003 Edition, original text published in 1928)​

The rising of the phoenix displayed at the London Olympics Closing Ceremony.

​

Observe carefully in the previous photos how they place behind the phoenix, in the background, many blue all-seeing eyes inside pyramids.

​

Barbara Walker, in her occult book Now Is The Dawning, p. 281., wrote that Egyptians believed that the Phoenix was the representative of a god who “rose to heaven in the form of a morning star, like Lucifer, after his fire-immolation of death and rebirth…”

"The Son" in this song mentioned without identification, seems to be Lucifer, son of the morning.

"Phoenix rising" is a phrase used of the rising of Mystery Babylon.

Somebody signed a "special" contract. Many christian artists have.

 

[Stephen63]

If you think I'm just another metal hater, that couldn't be farther from the truth. Much of CCM is as corrupt. Just one sample (old one):

This is Amy Grant. In some parts of this video, she's dressed as a red witch:
[video=youtube;DiwvZUIrHBs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiwvZUIrHBs[/video]

At about 3:45 you can see her in her satanic ritual garment with hexagrams on her hands.

Here's a website that explains it in detail:
http://www.contendingfortruth.com/w...uciferians-in-Christian-Culture-Parts-6-8.pdf

Such abominations can be found in southern gospel, contempoary, metal, screamo, rap........ it's in all of them!

 

[Nautilus]

oh...youre one of those crazy conspiracy nuts...nevermind, nothing to see here.

 

[Stephen63]

oh...youre one of those crazy conspiracy nuts...nevermind, nothing to see here.

Nothing to see? Then why are you here, to get your minute of fame?

 

[Nautilus]

no but i do have my pyramids and eyeballs set up for when i do get my 15 minutes. I figure all the background designs should give the conspiracy nuts something to talk about.

 

[Tintin]

I have all of P.O.D's albums. They most certainly do have Christ-centred songs. Also, the controversial song is from the P.O.V. of the lost crying out to God. It's not aimed at the church choir but the lost. Yes, it beeps the F word but the other words are appropriate given the context. A boy born out of wedlock is known as a b@stard and so on. It's not PC, it's raw and real and purposeful.

 

[Stephen63]

I have all of P.O.D's albums. They most certainly do have Christ-centred songs. Also, the controversial song is from the P.O.V. of the lost crying out to God. It's not aimed at the church choir but the lost. Yes, it beeps the F word but the other words are appropriate given the context. A boy born out of wedlock is known as a b@stard and so on. It's not PC, it's raw and real and purposeful.

The Holy Spirit is absolutely powerful, persuasive, real, & purposeful. Accept no cheap imitations. If God needed that kind of help He wouldn't be God now would He?

 

[SarahM777]

I have all of P.O.D's albums. They most certainly do have Christ-centred songs. Also, the controversial song is from the P.O.V. of the lost crying out to God. It's not aimed at the church choir but the lost. Yes, it beeps the F word but the other words are appropriate given the context. A boy born out of wedlock is known as a b@stard and so on. It's not PC, it's raw and real and purposeful.

I would be really careful with P.O.D. Tintin. Just a few too many warnings signs. Remember Satan can transform himself into an angel of light. Not all of the groups that claim they are Christian are. Remember the frog in the pot. Throw a frog into a boiling pan of water and the frog will jump out. Put the frog into a pan cold water and heat the to boiling and the frog will remain in the pot till it boils to death.

See like sheep it's not usually the big things that pull us away it's the little blue flower that looks so good that takes our focus off of God,then the little yellow flower,then the next till we find we're somewhere else and then we wonder HOW we got there in the first place.

 

[Tintin]

I would be really careful with P.O.D. Tintin. Just a few too many warnings signs. Remember Satan can transform himself into an angel of light. Not all of the groups that claim they are Christian are. Remember the frog in the pot. Throw a frog into a boiling pan of water and the frog will jump out. Put the frog into a pan cold water and heat the to boiling and the frog will remain in the pot till it boils to death.

See like sheep it's not usually the big things that pull us away it's the little blue flower that looks so good that takes our focus off of God,then the little yellow flower,then the next till we find we're somewhere else and then we wonder HOW we got there in the first place.

I'm well aware that Satan can come in the guise of an angel of light, but I don't believe P.O.D are just Christian by name. Sarah, what gives you pause in regards to them? Also, what music do you find acceptable for a Christian to listen to?

 

[SarahM777]

I'm well aware that Satan can come in the guise of an angel of light, but I don't believe P.O.D are just Christian by name. Sarah, what gives you pause in regards to them? Also, what music do you find acceptable for a Christian to listen to?

Back to their song "Shine with me" the lyrics are posted above. That song appears to be laced with a lot of mysticism and quite a number of their songs are along those lines. That is the biggest warning flag to me.

I may a bit old school on who I listen to. This is group is more of hard rock,heavy metal,no problem. They are very clear where they stand

Whitecross

Because of Jesus

Because of Jesus I have peace of mind
Because of Jesus I'm no longer blind
Because of Jesus old things have passed away
Because of Jesus you can start again today

Still I don't understand his love the love he has for me
I just know one simple fact he died to set me free
When I see that I have fallen I just go to him

Because Jesus is the only one who can take away my sin
Because of Jesus I have peace of mind
Because of Jesus I'm no longer blind
Because of Jesus old things have passed away
Because of Jesus you can start again today

There were times I thought that he had left me on my own
I have learned how much he loves me and now, now I know
That I am like a jewel to him and he watches over me
And he is so concerned about me that he will never leave

Because of Jesus my old life is gone
Because of Jesus instead of being weak I'm strong
Because of Jesus all things have been made new
Because of Jesus I have come to know the Truth

Whitecross - Because Of Jesus Lyrics


No question on their preaching,no question on who they are talking about,no question on the message and that should be at the heart of the matter. For me the genre is not the issue with but the message is. And that IS the biggest issue I see with P.O.D.

 

[posthuman]

Gladly.
Everybody knows that christian music has tremendous influence on the church & the world. Could we go as far to say as influencial as Hollywood? In their careers they perform before millions.

1. In the televangelist world there are many known false teachers & prophets. It's known & believed.
2. In Hollywoon there are hypocrites by the thousands. It's known & believed.
3. In legitimate church denominations, there are fakes & criminals in leadership & behind pulpits. It's known & believed.

BUT IN THE CHRISTIAN MUSIC INDUSTRY, THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS A FALSE WITNESS, A FALSE TEACHER, A HYPOCRITE, A DECEIVER, A CRIMINAL, OR A WOLF IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING OF ANY KIND! IT'S IMPOSSIBLE FOR SUCH TO BE THERE! THEY DON'T EXIST! Don't believe me? ASK THE FANS!

It seems every "christian" entertainer is fully exempt of having such characteristics. Why? BECAUSE THEIR FANS DECLARE THEM CLEAN & HOLY!!

The last time I looked, I thought that was God's job.

The truth is, "christian" music artists is the only subject christians will beat up on you more than the subject of homosexuality. THE ONLY ONE.

NAME ONE "CHRISTIAN" ARTIST/GROUP THAT 10% OF THE CHURCH WILL AGREE IS EVIL. NONE EXISTS.

Maybe I ought to quit preaching & form a group myself. I can then sin all I want, make boatloads of money, run with the Satanists, trashtalk the church, & STILL REMAIN BLAMELESS in the eyes of christians.

Do you see my point now?

thanks, i do see your point now.

i admit it was a bit lost on me at first & my natural reaction was to become defensive. i do actually agree

i moderated a number of chatrooms for Christians on a music sharing website for a couple of years and i've been collecting & listening to only Christian artists for over 20. i can actually name a couple of "christian" bands that at least 10% of the brothers and sisters i've met in that context don't accept as being genuine:
MxPx and Family Force Five for example. though they are (or were) attached to 'christian' labels, their lyrics have almost no spiritual content at all.
bands like Switchfoot and Zao got their start in 'christian music' but since then, changed lineups and moved into the secular 'scene' and aren't generally accepted as being 'Christian music' anymore.
Klay Scott is another example; his first few bands Brainchild & Circle of Dust were on 'christian' labels and identified with Christ, but after arguments with producers and labels over what he called a "Jesus-per-minute" lyric rule, he swore of the 'christian music' industry and started his own independent label. few people would call his current work Celldweller 'christian music' and many don't accept his earlier music in that regard either, but i personally think he belongs to Christ, whether he's using his talents for Him or not.
other similar bands like Klank, Mental Destruction, Grave Robber and Autovoice identify themselves with Christ through venues and labels etc. but aren't generally accepted as being 'Christian music.'
Kekal is an example a bit like P.O.D. -- their first few albums are unmistakably God-honoring, and they're internationally known as (one of) the first bands to play a form of 'black metal' style music with a lyrical Christian message. though they have never spoken a word against the faith that i know of, they've changed a lot both musically and lyrically over time and no longer have any overt Christian message. people who aren't familiar with their early albums have no idea that they are a group of Christians, but to read the lyric booklets of their first couple albums you couldn't think otherwise. i'm still a fan of their music, but i wouldn't post their new album here.
there are a number of secular bands like Clutch and Evanescence that a lot of people think are 'Christian music' and in fact the artists themselves call themselves Christians, but while a few songs they write reflect that, overall the music they produce is in no way directed at Christian audiences, and they oppose anyone who calls them a 'Christian band' because playing worship music, writing evangelistic songs or carrying a Christian message to audiences is not at all their intention or purpose. they simply write and perform music that reflects their personal experience, as an artistic outlet, and don't intentionally use it for God. very few Christians of any amount of spiritual maturity would call them 'Christian bands.'
Elvis and Willie Nelson recorded an enormous number of gospel songs, but who calls them 'Christian music' or even 'Christian artists?'
there are a slew of synth-pop artists like Joy Electric, Miss Angie & Owl City that identify with Christ but aren't accepted as 'Christian music' by a large % of Christians.

actually, i bet 10% of self-identifying Christians won't accept any music that sounds remotely like many popular secular styles as being 'gospel' in any way shape or form. even if an artist uses nothing but scripture and hymnals for lyrics, if they play raw, heavy metal music to accompany it, if they rap or scream, probably greater than 10% of 'Christians' will dismiss it automatically as works of Satan. bands like Antivenom, Mortification, Bediah, Hortor, 7 Eyes 7 Horns .. i could list 100 examples of bands whose music offends the ears of probably 80% of church-goers but whose lyrics are impossible to read as anything but Christian. Elgibbor is one of my favorite groups & examples of just this - 90% of his songs are direct quotations from scripture, from the prophets and the psalms, but i bet 90% of Christians would listen to 30 seconds of his music and call it evil. you have to take the time to understand what musicians like these are saying before you understand why they are making the music that they do.

 

[posthuman]

being a Christian and a musician isn't exactly the same as being a televangelist or a preacher behind a pulpit. a great majority of Christian artists openly and often say that they don't want people to look at them like they are someone to follow - we should follow Christ, not any man.
however much they say it though, in a real sense being a Christian and a musician is similar to being a preacher - people who listen to artists who are in some way identified as Christian often look at the songs like they are sermonettes, whether they were written for that purpose or not. music is a powerful influence on the mind and the body; it's an extremely potent vehicle for transmitting ideas through your ears and into your heart -- that in fact is why i gave my ears up to God over 20 years ago, and eschewed musicians who hadn't ever publicly confessed Christ. i don't look at a Christian musician the same way i look at some television or radio preacher, and i don't think most Christian musicians look at themselves that way either, but the fact is that for some that are weak or young in the faith, they look at these artists and their work as though it is on par with devotional pamphlets, evangelistic books or missionary statements. i totally agree with you, Stephen, that it's important to be able to recognize the things that edify and the things that detract, and that because of the influence music can have, it's especially important to have discernment in that area.

just like with radio, television, and in-the-flesh men behind pulpits, there is wheat and chaff, and there is milk and meat in Christian music. just like here in this forum -- do you go to the poetry section here in CC and call all the threads that don't read like a Psalm or a traditional hymnal "evil" ? is every post here that doesn't mention Jesus at least 3 times and include at least one scripture reference "evil" ? of course not. we all speak and act in ways that by themselves can't be readily identified as "Christian behavior" but we don't call each other tools of Satan because we post recipes in the food section, or random things in the miscellaneous section. well, i guess some people do think that about other members. but i wonder if they hold themselves to the same standard?

honestly i'm not personally into P.O.D.
in my own life, over something like 25 years of listening to 'christian music,' i've changed quite a bit. when i was young, and foolish for sure, i listened to a lot of 'Christian music' that in retrospect lyrically had very little worth. as i've grown i've come to appreciate more and more songs that are Christ-focused, even in genres that years ago i despised, because Christ himself has become more and more important to me than the beat in the background. i still love the styles i do, but these days i'm more likely to cherish a band whose music is sub-par but whose lyrics are full of praise than a band with outstanding musicianship but a weak or cryptic message. i don't dismiss or accuse or condemn bands that aren't evangelistic or worship-oriented, but i love the ones that are all the more, especially when the music is in a 'surprising' style. i'd rather spend my time and energy looking for the priceless pearls in the field than condemning my brothers and sisters for not being teachers and evangelists.

milk and meat. the pew and the pulpit.

 

[posthuman]

It seems every "christian" entertainer is fully exempt of having such characteristics. Why? BECAUSE THEIR FANS DECLARE THEM CLEAN & HOLY!!

i agree that the music we listen to and the artists we patronize, especially when we go around recommending them to other believers, ought to be held to some high standards.

i disagree that the rationale in defending musicians is what i've quoted here.

for me at least, i think first it's important for us not to be quick to call others "evil" and especially so when it's people that have in some way publicly declared their faith in Christ. all judgement belongs to Christ - not me. when i refuse to join in casting stones at P.O.D. for example, it's not because i think everything they say and do is perfect, spotless and holy, completely inspired by God and fit to be played every sunday (or sabbath day, w/e) morning in every church in the world, their lyrics worthy of being put in the hymnals next to "The Old Rugged Cross."

it's rather because they are my brothers in Christ and i'm quick to forgive them. instead of looking for the vile, i look for the precious. i don't put them on a pedestal and read their songs like scripture, neither do i pick through them looking for the smallest black spots and waving them around like evidence of the prosecution. my name isn't "Lord Inquisitor." if i'm judged by the same measure that i use to judge others, i think it's wise to be forgiving, and to magnify what is good.

that's not to say i'm against discernment at all. it's good! it's necessary!

i'm just quicker to say "the seed of the kingdom is buried in here" than "by Beelzebub he casts out demons."

some people's faith is strong enough for them to eat pork. they should enjoy it with thanks to God in their hearts!
for others weaker in the faith, whose minds are not so far removed from idolatry, can't eat it without being reminded of evil, and they should avoid it, so it doesn't cause them to stumble.

 

[posthuman]

The Holy Spirit is absolutely powerful, persuasive, real, & purposeful. Accept no cheap imitations. If God needed that kind of help He wouldn't be God now would He?

keep in mind that Rahab the harlot is listed right next to Abraham in Hebrews in the "faith hall of fame."

 

[faroukfarouk]

...
As far as screamo goes.. I grew up on it my dad listens to a lot of heavy metal/screamo bands. So I kinda picked up on my dad's taste in music.

PS: Presley: Although screamo can be overdone, yet used carefully and deliberately it can be quite effective.

Disciple have learned to do it effectively, anyway; and it's the lyrics, which they are reinforcing, that really count.

Blessings.

 

[Stephen63]

keep in mind that Rahab the harlot is listed right next to Abraham in Hebrews in the "faith hall of fame."

True. But she married & became an Israelite, & left her old life behind.

I am glad there's someone that understands though..... the more the merrier.

 

[posthuman]

i found this interview with Sonny Sandoval, the guy from P.O.D. who wrote the song "I Am" featured earlier in the thread.

pretty interesting, and illuminating! have a read:

Songfacts: You have a song on the new album called "I Am" that is one of the angriest songs I've ever heard you guys do. Can you tell me a little bit about how you created that song?

Sonny: Yeah, it was actually one of the first demos that we had done and got to our management. It's just a heavy song by nature, and it's from me in the whole hiatus period. I've been involved in a lot of charity and outreach type work, and I'm always hanging out with young people and being able to sneak into their lives. You hang around with these teenage kids, and it's a scary place. There are a lot of suicidal kids. Kids that are cutting themselves, they're so confused, whether they've been hurt physically, sexually, or are lost in the cultish religions, there's just so much stuff.

Me being up close and personal with these kids, that's what came out in that song. I'm a man of faith and I'm a follower and a believer of Jesus Christ, and in talking to these kids, and even in talking to people just throughout my career in P.O.D., a lot of these bands and athletes and all these people that you meet, they don't have a problem with Jesus. They have a problem with people that are religious and claim to know Jesus, but aren't living it or acting it and aren't loving the way Jesus did.

In my faith, if I believe that Jesus paid for the sins of the world, and I'm all these things, this is what's going on in the real world, and do you still love someone like me? And even though I know you do, and I believe in you, I believe in your forgiveness and your grace and your mercy, there's still so much confusion around me that everybody's getting in the way and trying to take your place. Everything gets in my way from seeing who Jesus was.

So I just wrote it out, I felt it, and I know it's already caused controversy because of the infamous F bomb. (Laughing) It's like, wow, all the things that are said, every single lyric in each verse and the content and self righteous Christians want to focus on the fact that I said the F word. It's absolutely pathetic. And I knew it would happen.

Songfacts: Yeah, you were kind of prepared for that, I'll bet.

Sonny: We had that song for almost a year, and I didn't take it lightly. I'd been praying on it for over a year. I'd actually took counsel and let people hear it. And it was 50/50. Some people are like, you know what, go for it. Because my heart is like, I don't write music for Christians. I don't write music for people that I believe are saved and going to heaven. If it's a breath of you and encourages you and gives you a sense of power to go balls out for what you believe in, then by all means. But ultimately we're trying to reach people fed up with religion that are sick and tired of it, and people that are in the real world that really are lost and confused.

Our music has always been a tool to bring hope to those people. I'm sorry we can't please everybody in the church, but ultimately in our faith, I believe you're taken care of. There are a lot of people that live in the real world that are out on the streets, that are prostituting themselves, that are being sexually abused, that are being murdered and killed, and it's an evil world. And sometimes you've got to just give them the truth flat out. And it might offend some people. Might offend a lot of people. But at the end of the day, if they understand it and they get it, and they allow God to speak straight into their soul, then I think it's worth the slap on the hand.

Songfacts: Well, Jesus offended a lot of people, right?

Sonny: He offended them so much they killed him. (Laughing)

Songfacts: Yeah. So you're not alone.

Sonny: But he had a good reputation with the sinners of the world. So I guess it didn't look too good for him either back then.

 

[SarahM777]

i found this interview with Sonny Sandoval, the guy from P.O.D. who wrote the song "I Am" featured earlier in the thread.

pretty interesting, and illuminating! have a read:

Songfacts: You have a song on the new album called "I Am" that is one of the angriest songs I've ever heard you guys do. Can you tell me a little bit about how you created that song?

Sonny: Yeah, it was actually one of the first demos that we had done and got to our management. It's just a heavy song by nature, and it's from me in the whole hiatus period. I've been involved in a lot of charity and outreach type work, and I'm always hanging out with young people and being able to sneak into their lives. You hang around with these teenage kids, and it's a scary place. There are a lot of suicidal kids. Kids that are cutting themselves, they're so confused, whether they've been hurt physically, sexually, or are lost in the cultish religions, there's just so much stuff.

Me being up close and personal with these kids, that's what came out in that song. I'm a man of faith and I'm a follower and a believer of Jesus Christ, and in talking to these kids, and even in talking to people just throughout my career in P.O.D., a lot of these bands and athletes and all these people that you meet, they don't have a problem with Jesus. They have a problem with people that are religious and claim to know Jesus, but aren't living it or acting it and aren't loving the way Jesus did.

In my faith, if I believe that Jesus paid for the sins of the world, and I'm all these things, this is what's going on in the real world, and do you still love someone like me? And even though I know you do, and I believe in you, I believe in your forgiveness and your grace and your mercy, there's still so much confusion around me that everybody's getting in the way and trying to take your place. Everything gets in my way from seeing who Jesus was.

So I just wrote it out, I felt it, and I know it's already caused controversy because of the infamous F bomb. (Laughing) It's like, wow, all the things that are said, every single lyric in each verse and the content and self righteous Christians want to focus on the fact that I said the F word. It's absolutely pathetic. And I knew it would happen.

Songfacts: Yeah, you were kind of prepared for that, I'll bet.

Sonny: We had that song for almost a year, and I didn't take it lightly. I'd been praying on it for over a year. I'd actually took counsel and let people hear it. And it was 50/50. Some people are like, you know what, go for it. Because my heart is like, I don't write music for Christians. I don't write music for people that I believe are saved and going to heaven. If it's a breath of you and encourages you and gives you a sense of power to go balls out for what you believe in, then by all means. But ultimately we're trying to reach people fed up with religion that are sick and tired of it, and people that are in the real world that really are lost and confused.

Our music has always been a tool to bring hope to those people. I'm sorry we can't please everybody in the church, but ultimately in our faith, I believe you're taken care of. There are a lot of people that live in the real world that are out on the streets, that are prostituting themselves, that are being sexually abused, that are being murdered and killed, and it's an evil world. And sometimes you've got to just give them the truth flat out. And it might offend some people. Might offend a lot of people. But at the end of the day, if they understand it and they get it, and they allow God to speak straight into their soul, then I think it's worth the slap on the hand.

Songfacts: Well, Jesus offended a lot of people, right?

Sonny: He offended them so much they killed him. (Laughing)

Songfacts: Yeah. So you're not alone.

Sonny: But he had a good reputation with the sinners of the world. So I guess it didn't look too good for him either back then.

That's all good and wonderful BUT you are aware that the JW's believe that Jesus made salvation possible right?. They believe Jesus is God's only begotten son. But they still preach a DIFFERENT gospel. There is nothing in that interview that tells me WHICH Christ they are talking about. Are they preaching the SAME gospel according to the apostles or is it a DIFFERENT Gospel? We KNOW many churches are preaching a DIFFERENT Gospel,then shouldn't we expect that it is also in the music? So the question comes down WHICH Christ are they talking about?

 

[Tintin]

P.O.D. are not Jehovah's Witnesses.