Does Leviticus Say Masturbation is Okay?

[ji]

So your married? Maaate, sort it out between yourselves Maybe go read song of solomon hehe..Do what fancies, so long its only between you and your wife.

wondering what fancies are mentioned in songs of solomon?
Anything related to pagan ways of doing things?

Show the verses...

"Do what fancies"..wow!

i still think you have something to say that can correct me.
And you can..
yea,i am beginning to become old fashioned lately because its to the 'Ancient of Days' i must return to.

 

[Nautilus]

i remember your comment in another thread accusing me,and here you are supporting what you feel right.

"I tend to be more along the lines of whatever a husband and wife choose to do within their marriage sexually is up to them as long as it stays behind just the two of them."
Simply speaking,it doesn't what holy Scripture says..?

oh,..am a person who sees satan everywhere in the world?
..exactly,because i read Holy Scripture and try to get out of filth in daily lfe and live Separated to be with God more
That's a crime according to you right?
If i spread comments like this,people might become God conscious more,..ooh problem...

Well in that case please find me the chapters and verses in scripture that list out the christian rules for sex between a husband and his wife. I'd love to see where you find your do's and don'ts for married sex in the bible. Not that I believe you'll have any definitive answers, but I would love to know where you get your information from. If natural sex is only face to face and what not I dont actually remember that one...

 

[Allin]

Did you look into what Mark Driscoll said about this? I've never really heard his stance, but here is a sermon that I am assuming will touch on it Pastor Mark Driscoll - Song of Solomon - 01 - The Peasant Princess - Let Him Kiss Me - YouTube A lot of people disagree with him, but at least if you look into what he says you can see where the biblical basis is and decide if you think it is valid for yourself.

I watched a part of the video and have to disagree with Driscoll's overall stance. Besides rambling before he got into the topic as if he had to soften up the audience before getting to his message (I've seen someone do this before), he later in the video made the whole thing about what the wife wants and putting the wife's desires first. Any man who falls for that will have hell to pay. Adam tried it just once, and didn't even have to (Eve didn't ask to go first; he put her there), and we're all still paying for it. We already live in a society where the Ahab (passive) mindset is basically all a man has as an example in his upbringing (which has a lot to do with putting the woman first in the most unhealthy ways and therefore men are often slaves to sex, having given responsibility to lead to the woman, instead of masters over it); we don't need to be told more brilliant ways to become less masculine by yielding to our wives and every version of sex there is. I think the most enjoyable sex is between a man with a greater purpose than pleasing his wife and a wife who loves him for it. That's how God made it to be.

 

[Dix]

"The church may outlaw musterbation because people after musterbating they want to have experiment of how it feels with the opposite outside marriage."
-that's wrong thinking.

Self Pleasure is entertained by immoral people and people who grew up in Christian background (immoral people)falls for their trap either through the corrupt media or friends circle.
And the church that throws out people with weakness without helping them and morally supporting them to get out of it will have to answer to God one day.And by weakness,its not just lust of flesh,..there are people who try to get out habits more difficult than that(not even sexual..),which happened in the first place because they had the wrong pic of Jesus thrust into their hearts by 'churchianity'.

"But this is a natural cause because if you don't musterbate being 21 or more the simen will still come-out of you and defile your clothes or your bed."
-that's how it must go out.

"Note that the devil always make the law of God hard, this is bondage" - yes,that's True 100%
which is why we have to take struggle to become holy Like God.Because devil doesn't rest.That vile being will attack us in areas we have already overcome,to see if its possible to breach in more through other angles into our soul.
he is a cheap sales man selling things which are filthy and only meant to make us stink.

God is just the opposite,there for a Righteous man runs to God
God bless.

Eish my brother you like the one's who say it's right because I feel it in my blood when you say that's how it must go out

My advise: when you try to understand the law of God and the law of man in the bible, go back to the creation, there was no law the but the law of God working in the heart of people.

Lastly when people obey God, satan tries to make their lives hard unnecessary by making God look like a hard master in his laws. The law of God is according to the way your nature respond as a person

 

[breno785au]

This question was asked on a public forum because its a serious problem and many are addicted to sinful ways because of this even after marriage.Hence what is related to Holy Scripture is needed to be discussed as that's the right way.Nothing else.

you do what in your married life is not my concern,that is between you and God(had to be harsh,sorry,but had to...).i replied to this thread regarding His doubt because i was once doubtful like this regarding many things with no one to answer.Now i realize why they couldn't answer.Its like i already mentioned,and you mentioned it here.Its a delicate subject and nobody wants to take an effort to pull out another person falling to the pit.

No, its not silly.Consider those who perish getting addicted to pornography and becoming violent because engaged people and elderly are too selfish and occupied in their self ways 'ravishing' and forget to put on Jesus.

you can report my comment if i was abusive,no prob.

Whos talking about getting hooked on porn? We are talking about sexual practices between a husband and wife exclusively. Anyway, im done here you can cut a hole in a bedsheet and stick it between you and your wife, its not for anyone to dictate what happens in private in marriage. Old fashioned does not mean holy and/or right before God. Thats all I have to say, thanks for the tight convo

 

[ji]

"The church may outlaw musterbation because people after musterbating they want to have experiment of how it feels with the opposite outside marriage."
-that's wrong thinking.

Self Pleasure is entertained by immoral people and people who grew up in Christian background (immoral people)falls for their trap either through the corrupt media or friends circle.
And the church that throws out people with weakness without helping them and morally supporting them to get out of it will have to answer to God one day.And by weakness,its not just lust of flesh,..there are people who try to get out habits more difficult than that(not even sexual..),which happened in the first place because they had the wrong pic of Jesus thrust into their hearts by 'churchianity'.

"But this is a natural cause because if you don't musterbate being 21 or more the simen will still come-out of you and defile your clothes or your bed."
-that's how it must go out.

"Note that the devil always make the law of God hard, this is bondage" - yes,that's True 100%
which is why we have to take struggle to become holy Like God.Because devil doesn't rest.That vile being will attack us in areas we have already overcome,to see if its possible to breach in more through other angles into our soul.
he is a cheap sales man selling things which are filthy and only meant to make us stink.

God is just the opposite,there for a Righteous man runs to God
God bless.

small correction,there was a typo..
Self Pleasure is entertained by immoral people and people who grew up in Christian background falls for their((immoral people)) trap either through the corrupt media or friends circle.

 

[ji]

Well in that case please find me the chapters and verses in scripture that list out the christian rules for sex between a husband and his wife. I'd love to see where you find your do's and don'ts for married sex in the bible. Not that I believe you'll have any definitive answers, but I would love to know where you get your information from. If natural sex is only face to face and what not I dont actually remember that one...

NT is the continuation of OT,not disconnecting it.
Where judgement was sudden in OT,in NT God is giving more chances to change.

In NT its said that even 'lusting in mind' is sin.
All the do's and don'ts have to be taken to a higher level.

All the laws and commandments except 'traditional-literal' Jewish customs must be followed spiritually,
..exercising self control even in married relationships...
In NT its said to love one another even in married relationships.Its not about sex in unnatural ways.But its talking about responsibilities,taking care of each other's body as it belongs to the opposite(husband's body belongs to the wife and vice versa) in married relationships.


Let me go in detail.
Take the laws and commands in OT,connect it with NT commands mentioned by Jesus and Apostles.Follow them for Spiritual Edification and for Inner Holiness(not outward appearance).
Outwards appearance will automatically change to modest ways once the soul starts changing and move closer to Godly ways.

If you still didn't get it,i will go into details with Scripture..

 

[ji]

Eish my brother you like the one's who say it's right because I feel it in my blood when you say that's how it must go out

My advise: when you try to understand the law of God and the law of man in the bible, go back to the creation, there was no law the but the law of God working in the heart of people.

Lastly when people obey God, satan tries to make their lives hard unnecessary by making God look like a hard master in his laws. The law of God is according to the way your nature respond as a person

"when people obey God, satan tries to make their lives hard unnecessary by making God look like a hard master in his laws."
- i agree, that's true..nothing against it.Holy Scripture stands proof.

"go back to the creation, there was no law the but the law of God working in the heart of people."
- you failed to realize there are different dispensations?
..and that in NT Jesus came and revealed God's perfect do's and dent's which is to sanctify ones mind and heart first(with Grace of God makes it possible,The Holy Scripture says so)?
In Genesis time period,they might have married sisters,is that included?

"Eish my brother you like the one's who say it's right because I feel it in my blood when you say that's how it must go out"- sarcasm..?i know better...but i want to speak to the point,..

A struggle for holiness people don't like,but they will stare at the corrupt man who just received Christ( and decided to turn from his past wicked ways).

 

[ji]

Whos talking about getting hooked on porn? We are talking about sexual practices between a husband and wife exclusively. Anyway, im done here you can cut a hole in a bedsheet and stick it between you and your wife, its not for anyone to dictate what happens in private in marriage. Old fashioned does not mean holy and/or right before God. Thats all I have to say, thanks for the tight convo

nice attitude..
and i hear always get messages secretly to behave properly..

"Anyway, im done here you can cut a hole in a bedsheet and stick it between you and your wife, its not for anyone to dictate what happens in private in marriage." - after seeing your first comment to this thread and also younger than me,you are not having much experience.So i know who to trust.The unchanging God's Word or your personal views 'its not for anyone to dictate what happens in private in marriage'

God gave you everything.So when you make jokes on sensitive things understand that there are millions in this world who were plucked out from their peace and family and struggled and struggling their life in solitude for no cause of their's.

Regarding porn,it was related to masturbation.Did you forget what he mentioned in the question he had?
i mentioned about porn because it's a big tool that satan use to make people fall from Faith in God(in present times).

"Old fashioned does not mean holy and/or right before God." - i agree,but there are standards that God demands,and His Grace provides the Strength to accomplish it because God knows its not within us to achieve NT standards without Grace of God.NT stands as proof for that detailing the errors even Apostles made.

"Anyway, im done here" nobody is trying to hurt you here...if its about me,i didn't.
If you got cut,you just confronted God's word.we all get cut like that here and there sometimes,that's why we Repent and move on to changed ways.Some things take time too.That's why Grace of God is given.
i never said things are easy because we live in a filthy world.Holy Scripture also stands witness for that.

And i am not making it tight,you are running away from God's ways.That's why you find things tight when you see the Good Old ways of God.Its not me who is troubling you,you yourself.
i don't even know you personally to say anything about you... and i respoded to your comment because you are immature in your replies.Take your 1st reply for example.

If you think God promotes orgies between a couple,tell from where did you get it?nowhere?

 

[danalee]

Am I wrong for wanting this thread to go away?

 

[Kerry]

Am I wrong for wanting this thread to go away?

My thoughts exactly. But, if I may. While your doing the the deed are you lusting for some picture in your head or in a book or on a video? Jesus said if you look at a women or man with lust you have already committed adultery.

 

[oldernotwiser]

not really an issue ill spend any time researching but i think the real offense comes in if you spill your seed on the ground.

 

[breno785au]

"Anyway, im done here" nobody is trying to hurt you here...if its about me,i didn't.
If you got cut,you just confronted God's word.we all get cut like that here and there sometimes,that's why we Repent and move on to changed ways.Some things take time too.That's why Grace of God is given.
i never said things are easy because we live in a filthy world.Holy Scripture also stands witness for that.

And i am not making it tight,you are running away from God's ways.That's why you find things tight when you see the Good Old ways of God.Its not me who is troubling you,you yourself.
i don't even know you personally to say anything about you... and i respoded to your comment because you are immature in your replies.Take your 1st reply for example.

If you think God promotes orgies between a couple,tell from where did you get it?nowhere?

For the record, i'm not cut, once again misinterpretation..i've said all i've had to say and I don't want to continue on anymore because..i'm done, no hard feelings no nothing, just done. And by saying tight, i meant good conversation - maybe I should have just said that to avoid language barrier. Over and out.

 

[jag1977]

Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

My wife asked me what this meant...Any of your wives read this and could not understand it or any women feel like this is telling them to be homosexual?

 

[ji]

For the record, i'm not cut, once again misinterpretation..i've said all i've had to say and I don't want to continue on anymore because..i'm done, no hard feelings no nothing, just done. And by saying tight, i meant good conversation - maybe I should have just said that to avoid language barrier. Over and out.

no prob with me..
i am polite enough to not indulge in others personal life like the facebook ceo or the people that control him.

And about language barrier,i apologize.
Yes,i admit we run into situations like that sometimes.Please forgive.
Glad you said that.
i might not be good in u.s english,and i admit in general i have grammar mistakes..
God Bless

 

[Dan_473]

I'm surprised at so many people being concerned about a passage from Torah ('Law of Moses')...

From Galatians 5

For the whole law is fulfilled in one word, in this: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.



But, if a person really does want to live by Torah, then, in my opinion, it's a good idea to rest on Saturday and stone anybody you meet who encourages the worship of any god other than the God of Israel.

 

[MaggieMye]

OP: "Personally, I always thought Sodomy = Masturbation, Oral sex, etc. Now I am curious. So please, write your responses I am curious as to everyone's perspective."
I just read the first 8 responses...don't have time for all of it. However...ever thought of a dictionary? Look up the words: sodomy, masturbation, cunninlingus and fellatio.
Is it sin? Here's the deal. If you have time for masturbation, you have time for praise and worship. You have time to learn to be an overcomer....overcoming demons of lust, self-gratification. You have time to be in the Word. Masturbation is all about SELF. Get it?
Maggie

 

[tarzan]

I believe if you are capable and willing to do something more productive, then do that instead. But for those who want to make their physical bodies righteous still, maybe you too also have too much time on your hands. Isn't working towards physical purity vain? Is that not also a focus on self? Did not everyone here feel Compelled to click this topic? And yet interest is hid in hypocrisy and vain words like, "some are easily offended. " If I, not being God, see through your pretension, then how much more does God see through it? So worried about such a silly little thing. If you do not fear masturbation, then your urges will not rule you and then you have freedom of choice. All things are lawful, but not all things are expedient. But I hope for the sake of the hypocrites that they have not prepared for themselves a tasty meal or had good drink, for that is also pleasing to the self, so according to your law, it is sin. Be at ease and do not war with or worry about such silliness. Just don't turn your foot away from helping others in favor of your indulgence. In this manner you will not be at war with your flesh for you may or may not be filled with the priority of service. And how many here believe they came here to help others? I came to energize myself. Will this be a sin to me? Be gone preachers. Fix your own before you instruct the weak, if you can. It is better to delight in one's self than to take instruction from the hypocrites. But it is better to delight in the Lord than in one's self. But it is better to be honest and confess and strengthen each other than to delight in the Lord. Therefore, this OP is lawful, and good, and a litmus test to discern the hearts of hypocrites. Therefore the Lord has turned the passion of our flesh into A GOOD THING.

 

[ji]

I believe if you are capable and willing to do something more productive, then do that instead. But for those who want to make their physical bodies righteous still, maybe you too also have too much time on your hands. Isn't working towards physical purity vain? Is that not also a focus on self? Did not everyone here feel Compelled to click this topic? And yet interest is hid in hypocrisy and vain words like, "some are easily offended. " If I, not being God, see through your pretension, then how much more does God see through it? So worried about such a silly little thing. If you do not fear masturbation, then your urges will not rule you and then you have freedom of choice. All things are lawful, but not all things are expedient. But I hope for the sake of the hypocrites that they have not prepared for themselves a tasty meal or had good drink, for that is also pleasing to the self, so according to your law, it is sin. Be at ease and do not war with or worry about such silliness. Just don't turn your foot away from helping others in favor of your indulgence. In this manner you will not be at war with your flesh for you may or may not be filled with the priority of service. And how many here believe they came here to help others? I came to energize myself. Will this be a sin to me? Be gone preachers. Fix your own before you instruct the weak, if you can. It is better to delight in one's self than to take instruction from the hypocrites. But it is better to delight in the Lord than in one's self. But it is better to be honest and confess and strengthen each other than to delight in the Lord. Therefore, this OP is lawful, and good, and a litmus test to discern the hearts of hypocrites. Therefore the Lord has turned the passion of our flesh into A GOOD THING.

Glad there are still Christians around that have Compassion...
i sit silent when people stone at me for telling the truth, and God makes others like you stand up for His Glorification.

May God's Name Be Blessed for ever and ever..

 

[Nautilus]

NT is the continuation of OT,not disconnecting it.
Where judgement was sudden in OT,in NT God is giving more chances to change.

In NT its said that even 'lusting in mind' is sin.
All the do's and don'ts have to be taken to a higher level.

All the laws and commandments except 'traditional-literal' Jewish customs must be followed spiritually,
..exercising self control even in married relationships...
In NT its said to love one another even in married relationships.Its not about sex in unnatural ways.But its talking about responsibilities,taking care of each other's body as it belongs to the opposite(husband's body belongs to the wife and vice versa) in married relationships.


Let me go in detail.
Take the laws and commands in OT,connect it with NT commands mentioned by Jesus and Apostles.Follow them for Spiritual Edification and for Inner Holiness(not outward appearance).
Outwards appearance will automatically change to modest ways once the soul starts changing and move closer to Godly ways.

If you still didn't get it,i will go into details with Scripture..

I simply asked for chapters and verses not justifications and conjectures. Without the former your argument is simply an opinion and fairly irresponsible as it tends to rob people of truly enjoying the gift of sex within marriage.