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No wonder it was rejected, Cannibalism is illegal.If it was clear that God existed I would be a theist.
I know you believe the existence of God is obvious, but it seems to me that it is only obvious to those who already believe. I doubt you believe in alien abductions. Yet that aliens abduct people is perfectly obvious to the people who believe this happens. I could say the same of those who believe in ghosts, for I was once one of them. I thought the evidence for ghosts was obvious. Now that I don't believe in ghosts that evidence doesn't look nearly so good as it once did; and now that I don't believe in God the evidence for his existence has vanished as well -- I can't find any.
I know you believe the existence of God is obvious, but it seems to me that it is only obvious to those who already believe. I doubt you believe in alien abductions. Yet that aliens abduct people is perfectly obvious to the people who believe this happens. I could say the same of those who believe in ghosts, for I was once one of them. I thought the evidence for ghosts was obvious. Now that I don't believe in ghosts that evidence doesn't look nearly so good as it once did; and now that I don't believe in God the evidence for his existence has vanished as well -- I can't find any.
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Cycel, evidence is all around you. The evidence that you want is according to your own personal criteria is it not? You cannot relate this to assumed claims of alien abductions and ghosts. God's invisible attributes, divine nature, and eternal power is made evident in creation and have been clearly seen (Romans 1:20).
Sorry, I like to joke but on a more serious note....I have never seen anything like a ghost, angel, or demon. And I don't really think there are ghosts, but I do believe in angels and demons - and I believe that is what "ghosts" are. My sister married a man that has had problems with a demon, or something, since he was a child. He wakes up with it trying to choke him. My sister heard him choking one night, woke up (maybe more than once, but she only told me about the one time) and saw something on his chest trying to choke him. She said that it ran into the corner and disappeared in the corner. I didn't really know what to think about it, but when my mother said that she saw a dark, transparent orb dash down the hall at their house I felt more sure that there was something at their house. Apparently it was to him somehow because it came with him when they moved to their house after they were married. It has been several years since they have said anything about it and I hope that it is no longer there. I guess I am a little skeptical still since I have never seen anything. I mean I do believe they exist, but I don't know how interactive they are far as visible beings.
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I have clearly shown you that it is true in Hebrew, Greek, hermeneutically, and historically using scholarly sources plus given you a dictionary definition showing you that it is true from a very respected scholarly theology dictionary. I can explain it to you but I can't make you understand it.
Let's look at Strong's Greek Concordance since you keep bringing it up: Strong's Greek: 2424. Ἰησοῦς (Iésous) -- Jesus or Joshua, the name of the Messiah, also three other Isr.
2424. Iésous - Definition: Jesus; the Greek form of Joshua; Jesus, son of Eliezer; Jesus, surnamed Justus.
2424 Iēsoús – Jesus, the transliteration of the Hebrew term, 3091 /Lṓt ("Yehoshua"/Jehoshua, contracted to "Joshua") which means "Yahweh saves" (or "Yahweh is salvation").
Original Word: Ἰησοῦς, οῦ, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: Iésous
Phonetic Spelling: (ee-ay-sooce')
Short Definition: Jesus
"Jesus Christ" is properly "Jesus the Christ." "Jesus" (2424 /Iēsoús) is His human name, as the incarnate, eternal Son of God (Mt 1:21,25, see also Lk 1:31) – the Christ, the divine Messiah (the second Person of the holy Trinity).
[Christ (His title) means "the Anointed One" (the eternal pre-incarnate, Logos, Jn 1:1-18).]
3. Jesus, the Son of God, the Saviour of mankind: Matthew 1:21, 25; Luke 1:31; Luke 2:21, and very often; see κύριος and Χριστός.
Strong's Exhaustive Concordance - Jesus. Of Hebrew origin (Yhowshuwa'); Jesus (i.e. Jehoshua), the name of our Lord and two (three) other Israelites -- Jesus.
Remember when I quoted:
"The name Iēsous (‘Jesus’) is the Greek form of the Hebrew name yēšûa˒, a later form of yehâšûa˒ (‘Joshua’; ‘Yahweh helps/is salvation’), which is formed from the root yš˒ (see Acts 7:45; Heb. 4:8 where Iēsous refers to Joshua, the successor of Moses; and Matt. 1:21, which links the name ‘Jesus’ with his role as ‘Saviour’)."
Source: New dictionary of biblical theology. 2000 (T. D. Alexander & B. S. Rosner, Ed.) (electronic ed.). Downers Grove, IL: InterVarsity Press.
It's empirically so and Strong's confirms it not denies it. Strong's isn't wrong: you are.
Let's look at Strong's Greek Concordance since you keep bringing it up: Strong's Greek: 2424. Ἰησοῦς (Iésous) -- Jesus or Joshua, the name of the Messiah, also three other Isr.
2424. Iésous - Definition: Jesus; the Greek form of Joshua; Jesus, son of Eliezer; Jesus, surnamed Justus.
2424 Iēsoús – Jesus, the transliteration of the Hebrew term, 3091 /Lṓt ("Yehoshua"/Jehoshua, contracted to "Joshua") which means "Yahweh saves" (or "Yahweh is salvation").
Original Word: Ἰησοῦς, οῦ, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: Iésous
Phonetic Spelling: (ee-ay-sooce')
Short Definition: Jesus
"Jesus Christ" is properly "Jesus the Christ." "Jesus" (2424 /Iēsoús) is His human name, as the incarnate, eternal Son of God (Mt 1:21,25, see also Lk 1:31) – the Christ, the divine Messiah (the second Person of the holy Trinity).
[Christ (His title) means "the Anointed One" (the eternal pre-incarnate, Logos, Jn 1:1-18).]
3. Jesus, the Son of God, the Saviour of mankind: Matthew 1:21, 25; Luke 1:31; Luke 2:21, and very often; see κύριος and Χριστός.
Strong's Exhaustive Concordance - Jesus. Of Hebrew origin (Yhowshuwa'); Jesus (i.e. Jehoshua), the name of our Lord and two (three) other Israelites -- Jesus.
Remember when I quoted:
"The name Iēsous (‘Jesus’) is the Greek form of the Hebrew name yēšûa˒, a later form of yehâšûa˒ (‘Joshua’; ‘Yahweh helps/is salvation’), which is formed from the root yš˒ (see Acts 7:45; Heb. 4:8 where Iēsous refers to Joshua, the successor of Moses; and Matt. 1:21, which links the name ‘Jesus’ with his role as ‘Saviour’)."
Source: New dictionary of biblical theology. 2000 (T. D. Alexander & B. S. Rosner, Ed.) (electronic ed.). Downers Grove, IL: InterVarsity Press.
It's empirically so and Strong's confirms it not denies it. Strong's isn't wrong: you are.
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Sidenote: I verified the online version with my printed version 'The New Strong's Expanded Exahustive Concordance of the Bible RED-LETTER Edition' by James Strong, LL.D., S.T.D. (Dictionaries include contributions by John R. Kohlenberger, III) from Thomas Nelson Publishers (Nashville) Copyright 2001 which is a revision of The new Strong's exhaustive concordance of the Bible 1990 ISBN 0-7852-4539-1 (hc) 0-7852-4540-5 (ss) and the online version I cited in my previous post is clearly correct.
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I do not find, in my Strong's, where it says it is the transliteration of a hebrew term. Jesus is not named in the old testament. He did not have a name then. No more so than God Himself. We are to call Him the great I am that I am. We don't know His actual name either.
Jesus Christ was not called that until His physical birth in the flesh.
This is not a big deal. I simply pointed out that He is not literally named in the old testament, and that is true.
Jesus Christ was not called that until His physical birth in the flesh.
This is not a big deal. I simply pointed out that He is not literally named in the old testament, and that is true.
Yeremyah 23:26-27, "How long will this be in the heart of the prophets who prophesy lies? Yes, they are prophets of the deceit of their own minds plan and scheme, to cause My people to forget My Name through their dreams, which they tell every man to his neighbor, just as their fathers have forgotten My Name for Baal."
Nothing new. They live to interfere in other people's lives and they are not happy unless they are suing someone. I read the report and I noticed some very interesting comments which I will share here.
She said that the Motor Vehicle Commission wrongly violated her First Amendment rights by preventing her from having a vanity license plate reading “8THEIST.”
What I want to know is how did they do that?
She was represented by the Americans United for Separation of Church and State, a Washington, D.C.-based tax-exempt organization (Federal ID #53-018464) that has expended considerable time and energy attacking the tax-exempt status of religious organizations.
What I want to know is, why is it OK for atheists to get tax exempt status but not Christian organisations? I detect a bit of hypocrisy here.
The atheist organisation said “The state of New Jersey is favouring religion while disparaging non-belief"
And here is me thinking that atheism is not a belief even if it is a belief in nothing.
“Atheists are often treatedby the government as second-class citizens.” the organisation said
Hmmmm. I get a distinct feeling that atheists give the impression that Christians are second class citizens because they have a faith instead of atheist mumbo jumbo.
Morgan said “There is nothing offensiveabout being atheist,” she told the Times. “I should be able to express mysincerely held beliefs with a license plate just like everyone else.”
I have been told numerous times by atheists that they don't have beliefs, so who is lying to who?
She claims that she “believes that thecommission’s decision to deny her a plate that reads ’8THEIST’ but to allow herone that reads ‘BAPTIST’ expresses a preference for theistic religious beliefover non-theistic belief.”
There is that word again....belief, which is anathema to atheists.
Another comment by Morgan..... Morgan has asked the federal court to force state officials to allow her to ride around advertising her pious belief that no gods exist......
Pious belief. She is starting to sound like a fundamentalist religious nut. I wonder if there is such a thing as pious atheist nut?
Sooooooooo, when it comes to atheists getting their way they will demand their rights on the basis of their pious belief.
And here is me thinking that atheists were devoid of belief and not at all pious. You live and learn.
She said that the Motor Vehicle Commission wrongly violated her First Amendment rights by preventing her from having a vanity license plate reading “8THEIST.”
What I want to know is how did they do that?
She was represented by the Americans United for Separation of Church and State, a Washington, D.C.-based tax-exempt organization (Federal ID #53-018464) that has expended considerable time and energy attacking the tax-exempt status of religious organizations.
What I want to know is, why is it OK for atheists to get tax exempt status but not Christian organisations? I detect a bit of hypocrisy here.
The atheist organisation said “The state of New Jersey is favouring religion while disparaging non-belief"
And here is me thinking that atheism is not a belief even if it is a belief in nothing.
“Atheists are often treatedby the government as second-class citizens.” the organisation said
Hmmmm. I get a distinct feeling that atheists give the impression that Christians are second class citizens because they have a faith instead of atheist mumbo jumbo.
Morgan said “There is nothing offensiveabout being atheist,” she told the Times. “I should be able to express mysincerely held beliefs with a license plate just like everyone else.”
I have been told numerous times by atheists that they don't have beliefs, so who is lying to who?
She claims that she “believes that thecommission’s decision to deny her a plate that reads ’8THEIST’ but to allow herone that reads ‘BAPTIST’ expresses a preference for theistic religious beliefover non-theistic belief.”
There is that word again....belief, which is anathema to atheists.
Another comment by Morgan..... Morgan has asked the federal court to force state officials to allow her to ride around advertising her pious belief that no gods exist......
Pious belief. She is starting to sound like a fundamentalist religious nut. I wonder if there is such a thing as pious atheist nut?
Sooooooooo, when it comes to atheists getting their way they will demand their rights on the basis of their pious belief.
And here is me thinking that atheists were devoid of belief and not at all pious. You live and learn.
So you say in your closeted world of denial. I have a case on my files of a homosexual who beat an old woman to death because she said something about homosexuality he didn't like.
Perhaps you are talking about a homosexuals freedom to kill people they don't like.
And then there is that homosexual who went to the HQ of a Christian ministry with a rifle with the intent of shooting someone because he didn't like what they said. Fortunately, the security guard was only injured when he apprehended the killer.
And then there are the two homosexual paedophiles who went to Russia to buy a baby and from the age of two they sodomised it and offered it to their paedophilia friends on the internet to do the same. That is what I call the freedom to be scum-bags and perverts.
Or the case of the homosexual rent-a-mob who invaded a book launch that was about homosexuality and banged drums, blew whistles and shouted obscenities. What you might call the freedom to be obnoxious and bigoted.
And don't forget the homosexuals in San Francisco who sent death threats to a ministers children because he preached about homosexuality from the bible to his congregation. What you might call the freedom to impose your will on others.
I have a few hundred more where these came from which would indicate that gaining our freedom is a one way street with our lack of freedom being imposed by the homosexual jackboot brigade who are intolerant, bigoted and hateful.
Perhaps you are talking about a homosexuals freedom to kill people they don't like.
And then there is that homosexual who went to the HQ of a Christian ministry with a rifle with the intent of shooting someone because he didn't like what they said. Fortunately, the security guard was only injured when he apprehended the killer.
And then there are the two homosexual paedophiles who went to Russia to buy a baby and from the age of two they sodomised it and offered it to their paedophilia friends on the internet to do the same. That is what I call the freedom to be scum-bags and perverts.
Or the case of the homosexual rent-a-mob who invaded a book launch that was about homosexuality and banged drums, blew whistles and shouted obscenities. What you might call the freedom to be obnoxious and bigoted.
And don't forget the homosexuals in San Francisco who sent death threats to a ministers children because he preached about homosexuality from the bible to his congregation. What you might call the freedom to impose your will on others.
I have a few hundred more where these came from which would indicate that gaining our freedom is a one way street with our lack of freedom being imposed by the homosexual jackboot brigade who are intolerant, bigoted and hateful.
Strange that. I have read numerous atheists who say God DOES NOT EXIST and they call him the imaginary fairy in the sky. I guess we have to accept that atheists change their story to suit the occasion and as I have been told that one atheist does not speak for another atheist, I guess we can take what you say with a pinch of salt.