Is there such a thing as an atheist?

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Ok I do not agree with you but respect your opinion.

As long as you don't say I'm irrational for thinking "something came from nothing" because that is irrational and I do not believe that at all. Something came from something, the difference is I do not think its "something came from someone(God)"
And your evidence that something did not come from God??
 

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Both of us are agnostic in that God can neither be proved or disproved 100%
Proof that God exists number one......

In 1967, scientists built an “Atomic Clock.” It uses Cesium 133 atoms because they oscillate (vibrate) at the rate of 9,192,631,770 times per second. This produces accuracy within one second every 30 million years! Wouldn’t you love a watch that accurate? Cesium 133 atoms never vary a single vibration. They are steady—constant—reliable—and cannot be an accident of nature that just “happens” to always turn out exactly the same. God had to design the complexity and reliability of these atoms. No honest mind can believe otherwise. Men merely learned how to capture what God designed, for use in time measurement.
 

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Proof that God exists number two....

Scientists in Boulder, Colorado, at the National Institute of Standards and Technology, have built an optical clock that is even more accurate. How? By measuring time with light. Time is now measured in what are called femtoseconds—or a million-billionth of a second. These clocks use mercury ions at their “heart” to count the number of times they vibrate in a second.

Optical frequencies regularly oscillate at one million-billion (1,000,000,000,000,000—one quadrillion) times per second. By using lasers and “cooled down” mercury ions, scientists have harnessed God’s precision to better measure time. Optical clocks only slip by one second every 30 BILLION years! This is 1,000 times more accurate than atomic clocks!
 

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Proof that God exists number three.....

The First Law of Thermodynamics is stated as follows: Matter and energy can be neither created nor destroyed. There are no natural processes that can alter either matter or energy in this way. This means that there is no new matter or energy coming into existence and there is no new matter or energy passing out of existence. All who state that the universe came into existence from nothing violate the first law of thermodynamics, which was established by the very scientific community who now seem willing to ignore it. In summary, this law plainly demonstrates that the universe, and all matter and energy within it, must have had a divine origin—a specific moment in which it was created by someone who was all-powerful.

You cannot have something slowly come into existence from nothing! Matter could not have come into existence by itself. No rational person could believe that the entire universe—including all of the radioactive elements that prove there was a specific time of beginning—gradually came into existence BY ITSELF!

Through your own efforts, try to build something—anything—from nothing. Even with your creative power engaged in the effort, you would never be able to do it. You will not be able—in a hundred lifetimes of trying—to produce a single thing from nothing! Then, can any doubter believe that everything in the entirety of the universe, in all of its exquisite detail, came into existence completely by itself? Be honest. Accept facts. This is proof that the existing natural realm demands the existence of a Great Creator!
 
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Your requirement for an unnecessary linear myopia is misleading you to the wrong conclusion. Jesus IS both found through the Old Testament and named in the Old Testament.

In English the name Jesus is a transliteration of the Latin form Iesus, which represents the Greek form already discussed of the Hebrew name yesua which is a late form of yosua itself a contracted form of Yehoshua (e.g. Yahweh is salvation).

In German, our English word for book is "buch." In Spanish, it becomes a "libro;" in French, a "livre." The language changes, but the object itself does not.

In the same way, we can refer to Jesus as “Jesus,” “Yeshua,” or “YehSou” (Cantonese), without changing His nature. In any language, His name means “the Lord is Salvation.”

This was the name of Moses’ successor, Joshua, son of Nun. Both because of the fame of this early hero of Israel and because of the meaning of the name, many men both in the Old Testament and in the New Testament bore the name of Joshua or Jesus. So also the New Testament, in referring to Joshua, son of Nun, calls him Jesus (Acts 7.45; Heb 4.8).

Joseph is told by the angel of the Lord to name the child born of Mary’s virginal conception "Jesus, for he shall save his people from their sins."

When God rescued men from sin and death, He was often called savior in the Old Testament; so, too, were the divinely commissioned men through whom He worked. Jesus’ name appears all throughout the Hebrew Scriptures, first as a name or title describing Yahweh’s role as Savior as well as the name of a high priest who was a sign of the Messiah to come.

In Psalm 110, Yahweh has the Son Jesus in mind as both Acts and Hebrews confirm. Jesus is given reign over God's heritage. Furthermore, he is appointed a high priest, not after the order of Aaron but after the order of Melchizedek. The combination of the kingly and priestly roles in Jesus is very significant for the role Jesus plays in God's plan for human salvation/deliverance. Also Acts 2:34-35, Joel 2:28-32, Acts 2:14-21, and Mal 3:1.

Yahweh’s purpose is the primary thrust of the Hebrew Scriptures. The creation narrative shows why God felt it necessary to reveal himself in history. The various stories developed in the opening chapters of Genesis demonstrate the condition of mankind. The call of Abram reveals how God chose one man through whom he would eventually fulfill his redeeming work through Jesus Christ.

The angel who spoke to Mary and the angel who spoke to Joseph in his dream communicated in Hebrew and they were not slow to grasp the meaning and significance of the name and its relation to His character and work of salvation also opening up the Hebrew Scriptures's meaning. Deliberately does nomina sacra only appear for the four terms “Jesus,” “Lord,” “Christ,” and “God" indicating from the earliest documented history of Christianity that the name of Jesus was held in the same manner as the Tetragrammaton which is to say it was held in the highest reverence.

Etc... etc... etc...

This One who is called wonderful in Isaiah, who is called Yahweh Himself, never got the name Yehoshua, but He still was Yehoshua because He has always been salvation from the beginning to the end. “Look unto Me,” this Messiah says in Isaiah, “all the ends of the earth and be saved. For there is no other God besides Me. There is no other Savior.” Jesus has always been Yahweh-is-salvation before the Old Testament, in the Old Testament, in the New Testament, and presently in spiritual dimensions beyond yet able to interact with us and the universe.


I do not find, in my Strong's, where it says it is the transliteration of a hebrew term. Jesus is not named in the old testament. He did not have a name then. No more so than God Himself. We are to call Him the great I am that I am. We don't know His actual name either. Jesus Christ was not called that until His physical birth in the flesh. This is not a big deal. I simply pointed out that He is not literally named in the old testament, and that is true.
 

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Try addressing something from the passage of mine you referenced. Then we will have something to discus.
I doubt it as you and I have quite a different understanding of life. Apart from the fact your first sentence was sarcastic which I have to say doesn't interest me.
 

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The Palm Beach Post - Google News Archive Search

The news media is quick to jump on stories of miracles, as they did with the one above in Montreal. Where is the media rush that covered the story of this resurrected baby? A baby returning to life is a big story. Who reported on the event? Can you link to a media outlet so I can examine the claims? I think you said earlier this happened in Africa? Two missionary girls reported praying over a dead baby and bringing it back to life after a witch doctor had failed to resurrect it?
Iris Ministries reported it to their prayer partners. Read their prayer letters.
 

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I can tell you I once believed in ghosts, and back when I did I read all the books on the subject I could, especially those by Hans Holzer. I can also tell you I believed every word he wrote. Like you, I wanted so badly to believe that I accepted all the claims, at least until they started getting a bit more bizarre and I found my credulity tested. Claims of modern day miracles are not so different in quality from the claims of spiritualists. Have you ever found your credulity tested?
I wouldn't know because I don't study the claims of spiritualists. I did about 20 years ago and from that and my experience of dealing with them I soon learnt they were a bunch of whackos and weirdos.

Sorry but you are not like me. The scriptures tell us to test the spirits so that is what I do so I am not as you so quaintly put it wanting so badly to believe.

And no my credulity has not been tested because I test the spirits before I make any pronouncement. That way my back is covered. Mind you, atheists try and put a spanner in the works but as they are blinded by satan what they say is like water of a ducks back.
 

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The problem with miracle stories is how do you confirm the authenticity of them? Blindly accepting the claims is just not good enough
The problem with atheists is that when you are blinded by satan, how can you see anything that is truth when you are a servant of the father of lies? Just not possible and you can bleat all you like about evidence, records and proof but it is all hot air as you are not capable of understanding truth as you have a disease called truth-phobia which satan infects you with.

I told you that I gave ALL the details to the atheist's head honcho but he didn't follow it up because he did not want to know the truth. He was happy in his ignorance so it is obvious that atheism is based on lies, it supports lies, ands the truth is a foreign concept to atheists.

You have made your bed so lie on it. Don't try and appear all intelligent and superior to us because you are not. You are as the scripture says...a fool and every time you post something it becomes even more obvious that you are because the pervading attitude in your posts is that you know more than God and more than those who have spent a lifetime studying his word. In other words you are a broken record and have nothing at all to contribute to worthwhile debate other than the lies satan has fed you.
 

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Genesis 1 is no more a myth than the existence of the person behind the avatar Cycel... lol.
Yes, but how do we know there is a person behind the avatar. All we have is his word for it and as we know we cannot take another person's word for evidence according to him. For all we know, it might be Jabba the Hut behind the avatar.
 

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Would you question Yahweh's existence if a Muslim, Jew, Hindu, Buddhist, or someone of a different faith made similar claims as yours? If they told you they worked in a religious setting for their own gods, and their patients seemed to heal miraculously, would you believe their gods to be the masterminds? And how do you know you witnessed miracles? How do you know those people wouldn't have been healed in a secular setting?
NO. The bible is clear and says that there would be people who claim to do miracles in his name and his response is Matthew 7:20 You can tell who the false prophets are by their deeds. Not everyone who calls me their Lord will get into the kingdom of heaven. Only the ones who obey my Father in heaven will get in. On the day of judgment many will call me their Lord. They will say, "We preached in your name, and in your name we forced out demons and worked many miracles." But I will tell them, "I will have nothing to do with you! Get out of my sight, you evil people!"

You can speculate all you like but it is a waste of time and energy as it does not impress us when the scriptures have made everything clear. To us that is but not to you because you are controlled by a liar so your ability to see the truth is zilch.
 

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Welcome to the forum Sophomorocat. It's a shame your first post is rather non-constructive to the conversation. We do not deny the existence of theists. More that we can not find truth in the idea of an intelligent deity in the universe.
First his first post was very constructive because he put things plain and simple but I realise that atheists are happier the more complicated they are.

And two, he did not say anything about the existence of theists. He spoke about the existence of God.
 

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Wait. You are rejecting God because you don't know how the universe is formed. Elementary psychology Watson. You reject God because you are in rebellion. And why you choose to reject him in the forum of those who have accepted his authority. I do not know. titter
good one Danalee. What is it that they say. There is none so blind as those who don't want to see and judging by the atheists contribution here, they are as blind as a bat.
 

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Where is the proof of gods image? Apart from the text (which does not describe the physical appearance of god) of the bible.
Thankyou for confirming what I said that you are arguing for arguments sake. The fact is, you don't want proof, you want an argument. I said this to another atheist and his response was "Of course I want an arguement." Google God's image and you will find out all you need to know. I am not going to do your homework for you.

But be warned, you will see things that you don't want to see because it is not going to give cosy little atheist arguments. You will find out the truth and at that point your mind will go blank because you can't handle the truth.
 

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Loss of faith is a process that often takes years, and sometimes it sneaks up on us unawares, as it did with me. In my case the awareness that I had become an atheist came upon me suddenly and unexpectedly. It was not something I chose, and it is not something I can reverse by flicking a switch.
So if you did not choose to be an atheist, that means you were forced to become an atheist. Thank God I don't serve your god. My God says "Choose you this day whom you will serve." My God gives me a free will. Obviously yours doesn't.
 

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You've obviously never taken much, if any, anthropology or you would know how to apply the scientific method in that context which, by the way, is the appropriate context for this challenge (not a double blind study).

And that is true regardless of the "religion" you are investigating for supernatural healing. In this case, we have already specified that we are discussing supernatural healing within a genuine Christian context with the God of the Bible as the causer and I have already given you everything you need to go and see if you can duplicate the results of my own investigation.

If you choose not to, then you have made a deliberate choice not to seek to duplicate my observations (and note that you would have to seek to duplicate them correctly) which I assert are factually true.

That would, of course, call your integrity into question for you would be then making the false assertion that I am not telling the truth while simultaneously refusing to properly attempt to replicate my observations.

Of course, you may attempt whatever anthropological investigation in whatever setting you wish to but having never attempted any whatsoever: I don't see that you're in a position to have anything more than an opinion.

I am an educated person who knows what a miracle is. A miracle is an event brought about by a special act of God. That is exactly what I experienced and witnessed.

Your last question is silly. Of course God can choose to heal someone in a secular setting. I never said that He could not or would not. If you can get God to tell you in advance the name, date, and time that He is going to heal someone in a secular setting in your locale in advance, I suppose you could travel to the location and witness one for yourself in a secular setting. I've never tried it.

What I do know is that God is at work healing supernaturally in genuine healing rooms (not to be confused with counterfeits or the devil's occultism) often through people whom He has imparted the gift of healing to so using common sense, that would be a good starting point to begin an investigation in.
How come the atheists who keep rabbiting on about how intelligent they are, not understand something as simple as you have proposed AgeofKnowledge? Could it be that they are deceived and that they are not intelligent, they just think they are as a means of massaging a damaged ego and more importantly, because the truth is a foreign concept to them?
 

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To whom it may concern and apply...Scorn doesn't edify.

Rebuke not a scorner, lest he hate thee. Rebuke a wise man, and he will love thee. (Proverbs 9:8)



SCOFFER Person who shows contempt for others. Habakkuk predicted the Babylonians would be scoffers as they conquered the Near East (Hab. 1:10). Second Peter 3:3 warns that the last days will see scoffers laughing at the idea of Christ’s return (cp. Jude 18). The wisdom writers repeatedly warned their students not to become scoffers (Job 11:3; Prov. 9:7–12; 13:1; 14:6; 15:12; 19:25; 21:24; 22:10; 24:9; cp. Ps. 1:1; Isa. 28:14, 22). Still, God is a scoffer, jeering at the feeble efforts of those who oppose Him (Ps. 2:4; Prov. 3:34). Jesus endured scoffing (Luke 16:14; cp. Acts 13:41).


SCORN, SCORNFUL Dislike that turns to contempt and derision. “Scorn” often appears in some Bible translations where “scoff” appears in others. Scorn is often expressed by laughter (2 Kings 19:21; 2 Chron. 30:10). In deep trouble psalmists often felt themselves scorned (Pss. 22:6; 31:11; 39:8; 44:13; 80:6; 89:41; 119:22; 123:4). God scorns the wicked (Prov. 3:34), who, in turn, scorn Him (2 Sam. 12:14). When His people refuse to be faithful, God can scorn them and their worship, expressed in destruction (Lam. 2:7). See Scoffer.




Source: Brand, C., Draper, C., England, A., Bond, S., Clendenen, E. R., & Butler, T. C. (Eds.). (2003). Scoffer. In Holman Illustrated Bible Dictionary. Nashville, TN: Holman Bible Publishers.
 
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