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They're perverting grace and the Bible labels such people as ungodly, if they're saying it's ok to remain alcoholic without seeking to become free of it.
Jude
3 Beloved, although I was very eager to write to you about our common salvation, I found it necessary to write appealing to you to contend for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints.4 For certain people have crept in unnoticed who long ago were designated for this condemnation, ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into sensuality and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.
Jude
3 Beloved, although I was very eager to write to you about our common salvation, I found it necessary to write appealing to you to contend for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints.4 For certain people have crept in unnoticed who long ago were designated for this condemnation, ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into sensuality and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.
Think of it like this. Anyone could decide it would be fun to go through being water baptized, however your church does it. It is simply having water put on you, means nothing.
But if someone wanted to have the Holy Spirit from God because the knew and gave themselves to Him. that very same water, combined with prayer, would be powerful. You could choose to ignore that power and not make use of it in your life, but it would always be available to you.
That is different from being saved. That is accepting Jesus as our Savior. Jesus is our Savior when He cleanses us of all our sins when we go to Him in repentance. We can not even know of all our sin so as to repent of everything, we can only say we put on Christ and do our best to follow Him, and ask for forgiveness for all.
With alcoholism, it is hard to know. It is a terrible disease that involves the mind. I know of one man who was absolutely cured of it one Sunday, I asked him to tell me about it. He said that when he found out who Christ was and what He had done for him one Sunday morning, he gave over his entire life to him. It not only involved the alcohol, but many things in his life, even his marriage.
But if someone wanted to have the Holy Spirit from God because the knew and gave themselves to Him. that very same water, combined with prayer, would be powerful. You could choose to ignore that power and not make use of it in your life, but it would always be available to you.
That is different from being saved. That is accepting Jesus as our Savior. Jesus is our Savior when He cleanses us of all our sins when we go to Him in repentance. We can not even know of all our sin so as to repent of everything, we can only say we put on Christ and do our best to follow Him, and ask for forgiveness for all.
With alcoholism, it is hard to know. It is a terrible disease that involves the mind. I know of one man who was absolutely cured of it one Sunday, I asked him to tell me about it. He said that when he found out who Christ was and what He had done for him one Sunday morning, he gave over his entire life to him. It not only involved the alcohol, but many things in his life, even his marriage.
Baptism is a picture and public testimony of your acceptance and belief into the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus by faith for total salvation. Salvation is a gift that requires nothing but faith into the completed works Of Jesus Christ and his Faith.
Baptism states that you....
1. Are dead to the world
2. Buried with Christ
3. Resurrected in Jesus
It is the first act of obedience, is a work of righteousness, is an answer of a good conscience toward God and DOES NOT SAVE YOU OR ADD TO YOUR SALVATION!
Baptism states that you....
1. Are dead to the world
2. Buried with Christ
3. Resurrected in Jesus
It is the first act of obedience, is a work of righteousness, is an answer of a good conscience toward God and DOES NOT SAVE YOU OR ADD TO YOUR SALVATION!
In this Dispensation, water baptism is not connected with our salvation.
As a matter of fact, water baptism does not save anyone today.
For a person to be saved; he must place his faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. The Lord saves him.
Water baptism was only connected with salvation during the preaching of the Gospel of the Kingdom. That was during the ministry of John the Baptist. Also, in the time of Jacob's trouble, water baptism will also be necessary, since in the time of Jacob's trouble, the Gospel of the Kingdom will be preached once again (see Matt. 24:14).
Lets have the greatest pool party the world has ever seen! It will be a revival like no other, so many salvations will happen by just getting wet! As was the joke in another thread, "Get wet, be set[for eternity]."
I mean, if being baptized was the means to salvation, lets stop preaching and start building swimming pools. Forget churches, lets make water parks!
On a serious note, salvation is by grace, through faith in Jesus Christ. One must first believe in order to be baptized, but the baptism is the outward expression of what has already taken place on the inside. Yes, do it once saved, but not before as you'll just be getting wet. Key point, you're saved before you're baptized, but baptism does follow salvation as a means of obedience.
I mean, if being baptized was the means to salvation, lets stop preaching and start building swimming pools. Forget churches, lets make water parks!
On a serious note, salvation is by grace, through faith in Jesus Christ. One must first believe in order to be baptized, but the baptism is the outward expression of what has already taken place on the inside. Yes, do it once saved, but not before as you'll just be getting wet. Key point, you're saved before you're baptized, but baptism does follow salvation as a means of obedience.