Being Born Again

[JaumeJ]

Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Joh 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Joh 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.


In John 3:5 Jesus, Yeshua, tells us we must be born of water and of the Spirit or we cannot enter the Kingdom of God, Elohim.
Water represents the flesh, as many times we read of waters, walking on the water, the waters raging etc. All these references are to the flesh or nations. (There are times when water refers to life, eternal and of this age.) Yeshua even elaborates on this declaration in His next sentence, John 3:6. Flesh (water) is flesh, and Spirit is spirit.
If you know and believe Yeshua, Jesus, is the Only Begotten Son of Yahweh, this confidence can only be from having received the Holy Spirt, for only by the Holy Spirit do we know Jesus, Yeshua, is the Salvation of Yahweh, God. Praise Yahweh, He is worthy, not us, amen.

 

[SeaBass]

Water is water.

 

[2Thewaters]

spirit is spirit

 

[JaumeJ]

Jesus, Yeshua, explains line 3:5 in line 3:6, so if you have a dispute take it up with the Lord. If you truly ask and in spirit, He will enlighten you on ths. As He already did in His discourse above.

 

[p_rehbein]

John 4:23) But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
24 .) God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Jesus, Yeshua, explains line 3:5 in line 3:6, so if you have a dispute take it up with the Lord. If you truly ask and in spirit, He will enlighten you on ths. As He already did in His discourse above.

[SUP]13 [/SUP]Jesus answered and said to her, “Whoever drinks of this water will thirst again, [SUP]14 [/SUP]but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will never thirst. But the water that I shall give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up into everlasting life.”

Spiritual water is what saves us. Let us be baptized and drink the water of God. Not some physical water, which will save no one.

 

[directline2iam]

Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Joh 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Joh 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.


In John 3:5 Jesus, Yeshua, tells us we must be born of water and of the Spirit or we cannot enter the Kingdom of God, Elohim.
Water represents the flesh, as many times we read of waters, walking on the water, the waters raging etc. All these references are to the flesh or nations. (There are times when water refers to life, eternal and of this age.) Yeshua even elaborates on this declaration in His next sentence, John 3:6. Flesh (water) is flesh, and Spirit is spirit.
If you know and believe Yeshua, Jesus, is the Only Begotten Son of Yahweh, this confidence can only be from having received the Holy Spirt, for only by the Holy Spirit do we know Jesus, Yeshua, is the Salvation of Yahweh, God. Praise Yahweh, He is worthy, not us, amen.

Your statement don't make sense Flesh (water) is flesh...
How else could a man be born other than with flesh? Are there men born without flesh another way?
To me it means baptized with water and the word (spirit) which is what's taught throughout the NT.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Your statement don't make sense Flesh (water) is flesh...
How else could a man be born other than with flesh? Are there men born without flesh another way?
To me it means baptized with water and the word (spirit) which is what's taught throughout the NT.

if it was baptism, Jesus would have said it, he never mentions the word. and he tells him how to be born again. "whoever believes in him has eternal life"

if he meant baptism he would have said so.

 

[JaumeJ]

Jesus explains it in detail, Himself, within the quote from John provided.

Your statement don't make sense Flesh (water) is flesh...
How else could a man be born other than with flesh? Are there men born without flesh another way?
To me it means baptized with water and the word (spirit) which is what's taught throughout the NT.

 

[directline2iam]

if it was baptism, Jesus would have said it, he never mentions the word. and he tells him how to be born again. "whoever believes in him has eternal life"

if he meant baptism he would have said so.

He (Jesus) did say it, you just don't see it................but we'll pray for you.

 

[JaumeJ]

Those who understand this discourse on being born again, not on immersion, could easily use the words of Yeshua, Jesus, answering some here, and do it in Spirit and Truth.

oh 3:11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.
Joh 3:12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

If you do not understand something that is taught or shared, wait, but never answer before digesting what has been given.

 

[SeaBass]

Your statement don't make sense Flesh (water) is flesh...
How else could a man be born other than with flesh? Are there men born without flesh another way?
To me it means baptized with water and the word (spirit) which is what's taught throughout the NT.

An obvious bias is going on when trying to make water mean something other than water.

born of water = baptized = washing of water = washing of regeneration = obeying the truth,
Jn 3:5; 1 Cor 12:13; Eph 5:26; Titus 3:5; 1 Pet 1:22
Perfect harmony among verses

 

[JaumeJ]

Please read within the context of what Jesus is saying, it is not long, the two sentences explain it. No one is born again by water immersion, however all who receive the Holy Spirit are born again into the Kingdom. It does sound as though the reference to water could be water baptism until you read what the Master goes on to say, equating the two thoughts as one..

An obvious bias is going on when trying to make water mean something other than water.

born of water = baptized = washing of water = washing of regeneration = obeying the truth,
Jn 3:5; 1 Cor 12:13; Eph 5:26; Titus 3:5; 1 Pet 1:22
Perfect harmony among verses

 

[starfield]

Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Joh 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Joh 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.


In John 3:5 Jesus, Yeshua, tells us we must be born of water and of the Spirit or we cannot enter the Kingdom of God, Elohim.
Water represents the flesh, as many times we read of waters, walking on the water, the waters raging etc. All these references are to the flesh or nations. (There are times when water refers to life, eternal and of this age.) Yeshua even elaborates on this declaration in His next sentence, John 3:6. Flesh (water) is flesh, and Spirit is spirit.
If you know and believe Yeshua, Jesus, is the Only Begotten Son of Yahweh, this confidence can only be from having received the Holy Spirt, for only by the Holy Spirit do we know Jesus, Yeshua, is the Salvation of Yahweh, God. Praise Yahweh, He is worthy, not us, amen.

I don't believe 'water' represents the flesh. Regeneration is not by the will of the flesh or man as per John 1:12-13:

"But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God"
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'Water' could very well symbolise the cleansing by the word/Spirit of God (Eph 5:25-26; Titus 3:5).

 

[eternally-gratefull]

He (Jesus) did say it, you just don't see it................but we'll pray for you.

No he did not.

he did not say, for God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whoever believes in him and is baptized HAS eternal life.

If it was that important, he would not have left it out when he told nicodemus HOW to be born of water and spirit.

I will pray for you to allow God to baptize you, and stop relying on men to replace the work of God.

 

[john832]

I don't believe 'water' represents the flesh. Regeneration is not by the will of the flesh or man as per John 1:12-13:

"But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God"
​

'Water' could very well symbolise the cleansing by the word/Spirit of God (Eph 5:25-26; Titus 3:5).

Water could symbolize any number of things but what it does symbolize is the grave...

Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

It symbolizes the death and burial of the "old man". Coming up out of the water symbolizes the resurrection of the "new man" washed clean of sin.

The Holy Spirit is then given upon the "laying on of hands"...

Act 8:18 And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money,

1Ti 4:14 Neglect not the gift that is in thee, which was given thee by prophecy, with the laying on of the hands of the presbytery.

Heb 6:2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.

An example...

Act 19:1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
Act 19:2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
Act 19:3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
Act 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
Act 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Act 19:6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

 

[Cobus]

Ok this is what it is.... First this born again, born of water and the Spirit, born of God (1 John 3:9 1 john 5:18) All this is ONE event.

This is the WATER Jesus says we should be born of.... LIVING WATERS THAT ONLY THE SON CAN GIVE US.... (John 4:10, Joh 4:11 Joh 7:38) This WATER is the WORD OF GOD, the TRUTH (a new fleshly heart with the TRUTH written on it) (worship God in Truth and Spirit) as p_rehbein said... And the Spirit that is born in us we all know.. it is the Holy Spirit of God Himself.

It is very easy to see what this born again is.... First it is A NEW BIRTH... so it is a NEW MAN... and a NEW LIFE... So it is ALL NEW.... That means the OLD is gone, passed and dead!

This is the NEW(creature) MAN..... 2 Cor 5:17... Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

How new? .... This new... Ezek 36:26 and 27... A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
Eze 36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

This is what born again/ Born of God and born of water and Spirit means... it is the NEW CREATION in Christ.. the NEW man with God at the wheel.... MOVING the holy man of God! What a powerful God that is to take a sinner and make the man a BORN OF GOD MAN.... WOW!

 

[saved1975]

Your statement don't make sense Flesh (water) is flesh...
How else could a man be born other than with flesh? Are there men born without flesh another way?
To me it means baptized with water and the word (spirit) which is what's taught throughout the NT.

Please note, Jesus didn't say we must be baptised in water, in Jn 3: 5, DID HE??
Saying "Water" is baptism, is a mistake that falls religion make.

Jesus mention baptism twice, And both times salvation comes first.
Matt 28: 19.
[First] Make disciples.
[Second], Then baptise them.

Mk 16: 16.
[First] Believe, get saved.
[Second] Then get baptised.
Jesus never said water baptism saves, Neither does the Biblical Greek texts.

 

[Hungry]

Here's my interpretation, for what it's worth. Picture the womb, dark, wet, unable to breath. Now as you enter the world, you see light for the first time. You breathe for the first time. You are born. Now, when people are getting baptized, they are in water, they can't breathe, they can't really see, so when they come out of the water, they are being essentially born again. It is the symobizm of birth. We can't go into our mothers again so this is the facsimile of the womb. We are accepting there is a different realm beyond this one and opening ourselves to its existence, spiritually, by believing. Then when we have made the decision to believe the Spirit recreates us and we come into communication with the spiritual world.

 

[JaumeJ]

Please read all of what Yeshua, Jesus, is saying in the quote. He explains it Himself.

I don't believe 'water' represents the flesh. Regeneration is not by the will of the flesh or man as per John 1:12-13:

"But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God"
​

'Water' could very well symbolise the cleansing by the word/Spirit of God (Eph 5:25-26; Titus 3:5).