Jesus turned water into unfermented wine and not fermented wine.
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You are still making an assumption. Nowhere does it actually say they were intoxicated. The words "well drunk" is just the same as me saying "well eaten." For I can say that I had "well drunk" of the water at Jack's house and we both know that water is not an intoxicating. Nowhere does it say that they behaved in a drunken manner, either. All this is an assumption on your part that does not exist within the text. Also, "good wine" is based on taste and not alcoholic content. For wine tasters today do not judge a wine on it's goodness soley based on it's alcoholic content.
Hmm!
Who gave you the Judge´s seat?
Call me the names and adjectives you like, sir. I won´t tell you what I have seen in you, sir.
However, that struggle is long. At least I haven´t seen that long list of troublesome issues we "sinners" have (or had).
Who gave you the Judge´s seat?
Call me the names and adjectives you like, sir. I won´t tell you what I have seen in you, sir.
However, that struggle is long. At least I haven´t seen that long list of troublesome issues we "sinners" have (or had).
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Rather than teaching such foolishness, that Christ did not make fermented wine,
why don't you focus on teaching abstinence from the view of principle and what is actually in Scripture.
If you were to say something to do with Luke 5:33-35, how could we debate you?
Why add to Scripture to prove what is true? Just read what is plainly there!
Jesus' disciples certainly drank real wine, and Jesus certainly made real wine,
but this does not mean that we should indulge today, while the Bridegroom is away.
why don't you focus on teaching abstinence from the view of principle and what is actually in Scripture.
If you were to say something to do with Luke 5:33-35, how could we debate you?
Why add to Scripture to prove what is true? Just read what is plainly there!
Jesus' disciples certainly drank real wine, and Jesus certainly made real wine,
but this does not mean that we should indulge today, while the Bridegroom is away.
So what if another believer looked up to you and they were going to ask you for spiritual strength in resisting alcohol and they tracked you down at a local restaurant drinking. What would you do if you later found out that they slipped back into alcoholism because of your public display?
Also, you don't seem to understand that Jesus openly promoting a drinking fest within the Scriptures gives every struggling alcoholic an excuse to think that there is nothing wrong with drinking, too.
Also, you don't seem to understand that Jesus openly promoting a drinking fest within the Scriptures gives every struggling alcoholic an excuse to think that there is nothing wrong with drinking, too.
Well, you are ignoring the reality of the world around you. For what you are doing is that you are forcing a round peg into a square hole. You are trying to force a modern meaning of how you understand a word today upon English translations that were influenced by the 1611 King James and by past decades use of that word was used differently in the past. For example: Back in the past, if you had spoken the word "gay", folks would be thinking you were speaking about being happy. However, today, if you were to say that word, people would be thinking something entirely different. I mean, you probably think that the word "liquor" also means an alcoholic drink thru out all of history, too? Right? Sure, you can say liquor store today and it will be a place where you can buy alcoholic liquor. But the word "liquor" did not always refer to alcoholic beverages like it does today. Just as the word "wine" did not refer to alcoholic beverages like it does today. Please, pretty please. Just look at some dictionaries going back into the past.
I don't think too many people are confused between the words "supped" and "sipped." I think they can figure out that they are saying the same thing pretty easily. As for spelling or grammar, the 1611 was created before there was a standardization of spelling. That does not mean that the spelling is wrong. It is merely an earlier form of English with it's own set of rules. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out the differences between the two.
So if the word "supped" is pretending to drink in this passage in Corinthians, then how do you explain the word "sup" in Revelation 3:20?
"Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me."
Is Jesus pretending to drink with us here, too?
"Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me."
Is Jesus pretending to drink with us here, too?
I am sorry, that just doesn't make sense. I am telling you a moral action that is endorsed by the Bible itself. For the Bible says that wine is a mocker. Strong drink is raging and it can bite you like a serpent. The Bible also says drunkards will not inherit the Kingdom of God. The Scriptures also say that we are to be sober minded many times. How exactly is getting tipsy or drunk with alcohol being sober minded? Seeing God inspired men to write His Word, they are the very words of God to us. And seeing God cannot break His own Word and seeing God is good and not evil, I know that the Lord would never do anything bad such as influencing an individual to get drunk. It's just not possible. You might as well say that water is not wet in it's liquid state. I know it is morally wrong for any being to influence another person into drinking so as to get drunk. Certainly God would never do such a thing seeing He is more perfect and righteous than any other being that has ever existed.