Did God Tell Hosea to Marry a Prostitute?

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In fact, Gomer was clearly not a prostitute before Hosea married her. The book of Hosea itself makes this fact very clear for these reasons:

1) They, who make the claim that Gomer was a prostitute when Hosea married her, read Hosea 1:2-3 in error. It is not saying to go take a wife that is already in the sin of whoredom, but to go take a wife who will become a prostitute and have illegitimate children, as Israel had prostituted itself and produced illegitimate (idolatrous, lawless) children. For Israel "hath committed great whoredom, departing from the Lord."

2) Verse three says, "So he went and took Gomer the daughter of Diblaim..." When one understands Biblical marriage, it is understood that if Gomer had had other men, she would not have been referred to as "the daughter of" her father, but as a man's wife or a harlot. To identify her as "the daughter of" was to indicate that she was still a virgin under her father's authority within his house. She had not yet known a man. It is this virgin that Hosea covenanted for and married (sexual intimacy).

3) Verse three is also backed up by Hosea 2:7 saying, "...I will go and return to my first husband..." Her first husband was Hosea to whom she would go back to. Otherwise, if Hosea wasn't her first husband who would be? Who was her second, third, fourth... husbands? It's a similar situation as when Jesus encountered the woman at the well and said to her, "For thou hast had five husbands; and he whom thou now hast is not thy husband..." (John 4:18). Just as God was the first for Israel and Israel the first for God, so was Hosea the first for Gomer and Gomer the first for Hosea.

4) Israel was not defiled when God chose and formed a nation of Him, "When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt" (Hosea 11:1). Israel was a young innocent child when God called (married) him out of Egypt, not a defiled fornicated one. Israel was unformed in Egypt and, then, formed and nurtured by God when called out and given His law. Israel, the nation, fornicated itself afterward; just as Gomer did. "I found Israel like grapes in the wilderness; I saw your fathers as the first ripe in the fig tree at her first time: but they went to Baal-peor, and separated themselves unto that shame; and their abominations were according as they loved" (Hosea 9:10).

5) The first child Jezreel was Hosea's son. He represented the righteous seed that was and would be sown in Israel. The other children Lo-ruhamah and Lo-ammi were children from her fornications. This is seen in Hosea 2:1-5, where he says, "Say ye [Jezreel] unto your brethren, Ammi; and to your sisters, Ruhamah. Plead with your mother, plead; for she is not my wife, neither am I her husband...for they be the children of whoredoms. For their mother hath played the harlot; she that conceived them hath done shamefully..."

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Probably not, but I am a poor servant. If God asked me to do anything, I should be willing to do it.

[SUP]9 [/SUP]“But as for you, take wheat, barley, beans, lentils, millet and spelt, put them in one vessel and make them into bread for yourself; you shall eat it according to the number of the days that you lie on your side, three hundred and ninety days. [SUP]10 [/SUP]Your food which you eat shall be twenty shekels a day by weight; you shall eat it from time to time. [SUP]11 [/SUP]The water you drink shall be the sixth part of a hin by measure; you shall drink it from time to time. [SUP]12 [/SUP]You shall eat it as a barley cake, having baked it in their sight over human dung.” [SUP]13 [/SUP]Then the Lord said, “Thus will the sons of Israel eat their bread unclean among the nations where I will banish them.” [SUP]14 [/SUP]But I said, “Ah, Lord God!....I don't want to marry a prostitute and especially not another man!!!! Let me eat bread cooked over dung, instead.

And just so no one gets confused, the green, italicized is my application to Jason's comment.

1 Kings 20[SUP]35 [/SUP]Now a certain man of the sons of the prophets said to another by the word of the Lord, “Please strike me.” But the man refused to strike him. [SUP]36 [/SUP]Then he said to him, “Because you have not listened to the voice of the Lord, behold, as soon as you have departed from me, a lion will kill you.” And as soon as he had departed from him a lion found him and killed him.


I don't know about you, but I wouldn't want to strike a prophet, but I also don't want to be killed by a lion either.
In your reference to bread cooked with dung: Well, God here is not commanding Ezekiel to sin. He is testing him just like he tested Abraham in sacrificing his only son. For God knew that Ezekiel would disagree with him on these grounds and thereby tell him to use cow dung as fuel for the fire in cooking his bread instead. For it was human waste that was to be buried outside the camp and not animal manure (Dueteronomy 23:12-13).

God's mentioning of eating defiled bread (in Ezekiel 4:13) is a foreshadowing of the New Covenant where today we did not have to adhere to the cultural law of Israel any more; That we could eat whatever we wanted as long as we gave thanks to God. That we could eat defiled leavened bread whenever we wanted to and it would be okay (because we are under the Law of Grace and not under the Law of Moses (or the Old Covenant).
 

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In your reference to bread cooked with dung: Well, God here is not commanding Ezekiel to sin. He is testing him just like he tested Abraham in sacrificing his only son. For God knew that Ezekiel would disagree with him on these grounds and thereby tell him to use cow dung as fuel for the fire in cooking his bread instead. For it was human waste that was to be buried outside the camp and not animal manure (Dueteronomy 23:12-13).

God's mentioning of eating defiled bread (in Ezekiel 4:13) is a foreshadowing of the New Covenant where today we did not have to adhere to the cultural law of Israel any more; That we could eat whatever we wanted as long as we gave thanks to God. That we could eat defiled leavened bread whenever we wanted to and it would be okay (because we are under the Law of Grace and not under the Law of Moses (or the Old Covenant).
I am happy to say that, for the most part, we agree. It seems to me that you often want to alter scripture to fit your idea of what it should say. So, it is good to agree, if only occasionally:)

BTW, Reading Hosea in the KJ, like much of the bible, leaves me wondering what in the world is going on. The NASB is much easier to understand. And the main point of Hosea has little to do with the prostitute that he married. It is mainly about Israel - Don't get stuck on that the fact that Hosea married a harlot, imo. Yes, much of what Israel was doing wrong had to do with idolatry, but I understand that just fine reading the NASB.
 

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Proverbs 18:1,2

The NASB does a great job with this one.
 
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In fact, Gomer was clearly not a prostitute before Hosea married her. The book of Hosea itself makes this fact very clear for these reasons:

1) They, who make the claim that Gomer was a prostitute when Hosea married her, read Hosea 1:2-3 in error. It is not saying to go take a wife that is already in the sin of whoredom, but to go take a wife who will become a prostitute and have illegitimate children, as Israel had prostituted itself and produced illegitimate (idolatrous, lawless) children. For Israel "hath committed great whoredom, departing from the Lord."


This makes no sense of the text. There is no use of the future tense in those verses, there is precisely nothing in the text to suggest that Gomer WILL become a prostitute, and even then, it doesn't seem to do away with the imagined problem you argue for - how is God telling Hosea to marry someone he has told in advance will DEFINITELY be a prostitute in the future any better than telling him to marry a current prostitute? Again, this goes back to earlier arguments about the meaning of whoredom in the usage of the Bible, and the relationship of Israel to Gomer/God to Hosea as types. See my earlier post here.

2) Verse three says, "So he went and took Gomer the daughter of Diblaim..." When one understands Biblical marriage, it is understood that if Gomer had had other men, she would not have been referred to as "the daughter of" her father, but as a man's wife or a harlot. To identify her as "the daughter of" was to indicate that she was still a virgin under her father's authority within his house. She had not yet known a man. It is this virgin that Hosea covenanted for and married (sexual intimacy).

No, this is simply untrue, and has nothing to do with "Biblical marriage". I frankly can't see what actual facts this argument is even supposed to be based on. Women who are already married are still often identified by their fathers in the Scriptures, particularly in places where genealogy is of a concern. It is not only a designation for women who are unmarried and are still virgins. Cf Genesis 36:14, 29, 38:12, 41:50, 46:20, Leviticus 24:11, 1 Samuel 14:50, 2 Samuel 3:3, 7, 2 Samuel 11:3, 1 Kings 4:11, just for starters.

3) Verse three is also backed up by Hosea 2:7 saying, "...I will go and return to my first husband..." Her first husband was Hosea to whom she would go back to. Otherwise, if Hosea wasn't her first husband who would be? Who was her second, third, fourth... husbands? It's a similar situation as when Jesus encountered the woman at the well and said to her, "For thou hast had five husbands; and he whom thou now hast is not thy husband..." (John 4:18). Just as God was the first for Israel and Israel the first for God, so was Hosea the first for Gomer and Gomer the first for Hosea.

It should be clear to all that it is, in fact, God speaking in chapter 2, not Hosea. See verses 15-17 in particular. Therefore, the persona speaking in verse 7 is in fact Israel speaking, and remembering her 'first love', the Lord, before her promiscuity after the Baals. Indeed, it is clearly the Lord speaking from as far back as Hosea 1:9. At this point, the actual persons of Gomer and Hosea have been left behind in the narrative.

4) Israel was not defiled when God chose and formed a nation of Him, "When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt" (Hosea 11:1).

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Hosea 11 said:
2 As they called them, so they went from them: they sacrificed unto Baalim, and burned incense to graven images. 3 I taught Ephraim also to go, taking them by their arms; but they knew not that I healed them.


Israel was a young innocent child when God called (married) him out of Egypt, not a defiled fornicated one. Israel was unformed in Egypt and, then, formed and nurtured by God when called out and given His law. Israel, the nation, fornicated itself afterward; just as Gomer did. "I found Israel like grapes in the wilderness; I saw your fathers as the first ripe in the fig tree at her first time: but they went to Baal-peor, and separated themselves unto that shame; and their abominations were according as they loved" (Hosea 9:10).
Then Israel very quickly turned away, obviously. The months in the wilderness were themselves a judgement on Israel's unbelief, almost mere moments after they responded to the call out of Egypt.

But, again, the question is this, even if we can definitely say there was a time when Israel actually was sinless (because that's what you're arguing), why not say Gomer was also not an adulteress before a certain point in time? Is it a mistake for God to pursue Israel even after she's clearly become unfaithful? If not, why is it a mistake for Hosea, if she was at some stage in the past innocent, and had not slept with a man?

5) The first child Jezreel was Hosea's son. He represented the righteous seed that was and would be sown in Israel. The other children Lo-ruhamah and Lo-ammi were children from her fornications. This is seen in Hosea 2:1-5, where he says, "Say ye [Jezreel] unto your brethren, Ammi; and to your sisters, Ruhamah. Plead with your mother, plead; for she is not my wife, neither am I her husband...for they be the children of whoredoms. For their mother hath played the harlot; she that conceived them hath done shamefully..."
This point is entirely reliant on the earlier ones in order to stand - if we conclude the text says Gomer was a promiscuous woman/adulteress before God told Hosea to marry her, this point is moot. Even then, at best it's circumstantial - there's nothing in the actual text to suggest the other two children were not his, except an argument from silence. Even then, it's clear that chapter 2 is applying the motifs developed in chapter 1 in the life of Hosea allegorically to the position of Israel - the fact that Ammi and Ruhamah are referred to as plural is signal enough of that. It's a long bow to argue it is primarily about the literal children that Gomer bore.

I appreciate you taking the time to actually copy out the text of another website, instead of just linking a page like others have done.
 
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You don't understand what happened. Hebrews 11:19 tells us that Abraham believed God was going to resurrect his son. He didn't believe God was asking him to permanently take the life of his son.

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same as you do not understand about Hosea and the prostitute. God no matter waht Jason is good, righteous and perfect and todat still is the only one as even Jesus said so in Matt 19

God's Children: which we are the ones that beleive are partakers in Yeweh's righteousness the same as Yeshua was and is, thorugh belief in Yeweh's amazing love and Mercy to us all here on earth through Yeshua, we are made partakers in Yeweh's rigteousness, no credit to self ever, and we just love as Yeweh loves per 1 Cor 13:4-7. his is imputed righteousness none of our own ever
 
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Proverbs 18:1,2

The NASB does a great job with this one.
First, Ad Hominems are employed by Christians who seek to uplift themselves by pushing other people down. They are bully's. You remember how bully's made you feel in school by calling you names and pushing you down and laughing at you? They are unloving and un-Christ like. Un-Christian. Jesus talked about how believers would be persecuted. This was not just a physical persecution at times, but a verbal persecution for the Scriptures say they shall say all manner of evil against you. What are you doing?

Second, the NASB is a corrupt Bible. Granted, I use Modern Translations to update the language sometimes, but if you were to look at Revelation 13:1, you should ask yourself the question was it John standing on the seashore (With him, calling himself "I") or was it the devil (dragon) standing on the seashore. Reading Genesis 22 should give you that answer.

Third, you have still failed to explain the morality of how God could break His own Law or a reason to why He had changed it in this instance. See, I understand why God told Peter to eat unclean animals. This was because the Old Testament Law of Moses was fulfilled in Jesus Christ upon the cross. They were now under a New Testament or New Covenant with new rules. In other words, if I am such a fool who rejects understanding, then why on Earth can't you explain to me the simple basic morality of God in this instance of Him telling Hosea to marry a prostitute? I am sorry. I spiritual parallel does not make it all better. It is still wrong and you know it deep down. That's why you are attacking me. For if God could have told Hosea to marry a prostitute, then God can tell you to marry a gay person today. And in your mind you would have to accept it because God had did it once before. But my God does not justify evil under any circummstance. My God is good and He is not evil.
 
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same as you do not understand about Hosea and the prostitute. God no matter waht Jason is good, righteous and perfect and todat still is the only one as even Jesus said so in Matt 19

God's Children: which we are the ones that beleive are partakers in Yeweh's righteousness the same as Yeshua was and is, thorugh belief in Yeweh's amazing love and Mercy to us all here on earth through Yeshua, we are made partakers in Yeweh's rigteousness, no credit to self ever, and we just love as Yeweh loves per 1 Cor 13:4-7. his is imputed righteousness none of our own ever
All I hear is God is good from you on one hand and no explanation as to the goodness of how God could tell Hosea to marry a prostitute on the other hand (Which would be an immoral act). You have not even remotely have begun to describe the morality of such an action. You just believe God can do anything (Including something we know to be morally wrong and even when it breaks His own Law which would still be in effect at that time). Stop and think for a moment. Do you believe there is a standard of morality that God abides by? Yes or no? What does your belief about Hosea 1:2 say about your God if you cannot trust in the steadfast unchanging nature of His goodness?
 
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Also, Deuteronomy 22:20 says a girl comitting adultery should be stoned to death. Would God ever allow such a girl (who is unrepentant and still a prostitute) to be married to a prophet?

For 2 Corinthians 6 makes it clear that we are not to have fellowship with unbelievers. Somebody who practices sin against God is not a believer or they are not somebody who has their heart right with God.


The Scriptures also say,


"There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a Sodomite of the sons of Israel." ~ (Deuteronomy 23:17)


Meaning... that God did not want prostitutes to be apart of Israel! It doesn't get any clearer than that.


God wanted His people to be Holy and separate!

For what fellowship does Light have with Darkness?

See. You can't answer this one. If God told Hosea to marry a Prostitute then He would be contradicting Himself later on. God either approves of Light having fellowship with darkness or He doesn't approve of Light having Fellowship with Darkness? You can't have it both ways.
 

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And I said to her, “You must dwell as mine for many days. You shall not play the whore, or belong to another man; so will I also be to you.”
For the children of Israel shall dwell many days without king or prince, without sacrifice or pillar, without ephod or household gods. Afterward the children of Israel shall return and seek the LORD their God, and David their king, and they shall come in fear to the LORD and to his goodness in the latter days.
(Hosea 3:3-4)
 
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Also, how do we know that God did not tell Hosea to marry a prostitute? Because we know that the word "whoredom" is in Hosea 1:2 is in reference to Israel being unfaith to God by idolatry or the false worship of other gods. For it says,

"A spirit of prostitution leads them astray; they are unfaithful to their God." (Hosea 4:12)

"Their deeds do not permit them to return to their God. A spirit of prostitution is in their heart; they do not acknowledge the Lord." (Hosea 5:4).

Hosea 3:1 says that the children of Israel have looked to other gods.

See, you can't be unfaithful to someone unless you were originally faithful to begin with. It doesn't make sense to say that I am unfaithful to a person if I never was faithful to start. Israel as a nation was not unfaithful at the beginning. They initially obeyed God in the beginning and then became unfaithful.

For a couple gets married and can be faithful and then when somebody breaks that covenant of marriage, they are then unfaithful because they broke that covenant or promise to be faithful to one another. See you can't make a covenant based on unfaithfulness. A marriage covenant cannot be created like that. A marriage covenant always is based on the couple's promise that they will cherish each other forever.
 
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And I said to her, “You must dwell as mine for many days. You shall not play the whore, or belong to another man; so will I also be to you.”
For the children of Israel shall dwell many days without king or prince, without sacrifice or pillar, without ephod or household gods. Afterward the children of Israel shall return and seek the LORD their God, and David their king, and they shall come in fear to the LORD and to his goodness in the latter days.
(Hosea 3:3-4)
Gomer was unfaithful or became a prostitute after they were already married.
 

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Also, how do we know that God did not tell Hosea to marry a prostitute? Because we know that the word "whoredom" is in Hosea 1:2 is in reference to Israel being unfaith to God by idolatry or the false worship of other gods.
what we know is that "whoredom" is used very commonly as a metaphor for idolatry, and at almost every time clearly identified as a metaphor by every prophet.
and we know that the word used in Hosea chapter 1 is "whoredom" not "idolatry" and no where in the book does it say Gomer is called a "whore" strictly as a metaphor for her idolatry.
 

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Gomer was unfaithful or became a prostitute after they were already married.
why doesn't the scripture say "you shall not bow down before an idol" ??

instead it says "you shall not play the whore"

why isn't that clear to you?
 
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Look. You can't be unfaithful to someone until you are first faithful to them. Israel as a nation was not initially unfaithful to God. If you are going to make a parallel, please stick to the exact parallel.
 
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why doesn't the scripture say "you shall not bow down before an idol" ??

instead it says "you shall not play the whore"

why isn't that clear to you?
Look at the verses in my above post about Israel being unfaithful. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that Israel was going after other gods. Hosea 3:1 says this amongst other verses within the book. That's what is part of what the whole book is about. Hosea 1:2 says the land or the people went into whoredom. This does not mean the Israelites all became prostitutes. To suggest otherwise is just ridiculous.
 

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Look. You can't be unfaithful to someone until you are first faithful to them. Israel as a nation was not initially unfaithful to God. If you are going to make a parallel, please stick to the exact parallel.

if that's true, then no one can possibly fornicate before they are married. =p
 

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Look at the verses in my above post about Israel being unfaithful. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that Israel was going after other gods. Hosea 3:1 says this amongst other verses within the book. That's what is part of what the whole book is about. Hosea 1:2 says the land or the people went into whoredom. This does not mean the Israelites all became prostitutes. To suggest otherwise is just ridiculous.
the book says take a wife of whoredom (literally) because the nation has become whorish (figuratively)

if the whole thing is figurative, Hosea may as well have only pretended to have a wife, and God may as well have never instructed him to take a wife at all.
 
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At first, Hosea’s marriage to Gomer must have been a happy time for both of them. God blessed their union by giving him a son whom they named Jezreel Hosea 1:4.

Jones' Dictionary of Old Testament Proper Names proposes He Will Be Sown Of God, and explains it with: "i.e. have a numerous progeny."

By the time we come to our text, however, Gomer is called an “adulteress.” Hosea 2:5 says, “For their mother hath played the harlot: she that conceived them have done shamefully: for she said, I will go after my lovers, that give me my bread, my water, my wool and my flax, mine oil and my drink.” In other words, Gomer is a prostitute. She committed adultery while she was with Hosea, then she left him for another man. Now it appears, that her new lover is finished with her and has put her up for sale, Hosea 3:2.

This glimpse into Gomer’s lifestyle is a clear picture of what sin produces in every life it touches. A lifestyle of unrepentant sin may bring pleasure at the time, but eventually it leads to ruin, devastation, destruction, and death. Sin always leaves its mark, and eventually it leads to Hell. (Ill. Rom. 6:23; Pro. 13:15)

By the way, no one ever gets away with sin. There is always a price to pay, Gal. 6:7; Num. 32:23.

B. Gomer’s Lusts - According to Hosea 1:6-9, Gomer was guilty of committing adultery against Hosea. The child born in verse 6 was named “Lo-Ruhamah.” This name means, “no mercy.” The child born in verse 9 is called “Lo-ammi.” This name means, “not my people.

What’s striking about the three references to Gomer’s pregnancies is the contrast between verse 3 and verses 6 and 9. In verse 3 the Bible says, “which conceived, and bare him a son.Verses 6 and 9 simply say, “she conceived.” The implication is clear: the first child was Hosea while the next two did not, Hosea 2:4. So, Gomer was guilty of violating her marriage vows and I’ll be trading Hosea’s through adultery. Eventually, Gomer abandoned the family to pursue her lust for sin.

Of course, Gomer’s actions are a picture of the spiritual condition of the nation of Israel. They lusted after the gods of the Canaanites, and they abandon the God of their fathers.


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if that's true, then no one can possibly fornicate before they are married. =p
The fact that you recognize that a person can sin before marriage is a good thing. See, waiting for marriage and being pure and a virgin is God's ideal plan for marriage. He would never tell anyone to break this model of marriage because it would be doing something sinful. Yes, can prostitutes repent of their sins, become a believer, and marry? Yes. Rahab shows this is possible. But God would never allow a good man of God who was faithful to Him to be married to someone who is not faithful. Israel was not unfaithful when God chose them as a nation. They obeyed God and put the blood on the door posts (i.e. blood being a covenant) and followed the Lord's guidance out of Egypt.