Lazarus and Abraham

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homwardbound

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Kerry said:
Lets break it down and have a show of hands. I meant who gives a flute about Lazarus? how does that affect you and me? I meant really. It's about our faith in the work of the cross is it not. Yeah He raised him from the dead. but what hill bean does that for you? The only thing that does anything is Jesus on the cross. Not your bible study or womens meeting or men's meeting or whatever meeting. It is the cross and Him crucified and nothing else.
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God placed Lazarus at the rich mans gate, for the rich man to take car of. The rich man stepped over, around, ignoring Lazarus The rich man went to hell for not listening and doing which is unbelief and serving self. This rich man probably helped others as the rich man chose, not as God asked

So ask self who has God put at our gates, to care for, and are we ignoring the call?
 
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homwardbound said:
God placed Lazarus at the rich mans gate, for the rich man to take car of. The rich man stepped over, around, ignoring Lazarus The rich man went to hell for not listening and doing which is unbelief and serving self. This rich man probably helped others as the rich man chose, not as God asked

So ask self who has God put at our gates, to care for, and are we ignoring the call?
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Do we put them at our gates out of pity even though they take advantage of us or does God put them there?
 
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My thoughts are that it's true. And it reminds me of when Elijah had God bring fire to a wet alter when the prophets of a false god couldn't bring fire to a dry alter. All the people were like, "Your God truly is the real God!" And then the very next day Elijah saw the same people were back worshiping false gods. No miracle will make the heart believe if the heart does not want to believe. Denial aint just a river in Egypt.
 
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I'm not overly sure whether it is meant to be a prophecy about Jesus or not, (certainly, Jesus isn't the only person to have risen from the dead, nor even the first chronologically though arguably Jesus could specifically raise the idea of resurrection with a view to his own resurrection, that would be rejected by many.

Of course, it' doesn't really matter anyway, as the point of the text is not to prophesy about miracles, but simply to make the point that even someone coming back from the dead is not any more 'persuasive' in a true spiritual sense than hearing the words of the prophets.
 
KJV1611

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RachelBibleStudent said:
i didn't say it was a prophecy...i just suggested that jesus used the name 'lazarus' in his parable because his final point would be that much more obvious when the real lazarus came back to life...

in his parable jesus has abraham saying that the rich man's relatives wouldn't believe even if lazarus rose from the dead...and shortly after this parable was told someone -did- rise from the dead...the unbelievers didn't believe...and this man was even named lazarus!
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I hadn't even thought about it applying to Lazarus in the tomb 4 days until you brought it up.:)
 
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LEPIDUS said:
OK, I see what you mean. Although, in context it is not indicating one is of more value because both would have the same effect.
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Only if they beleved God's Word, which apparently they did not seeing the rich man wanted to give them warning.
 
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crossnote said:
Only if they beleved God's Word, which apparently they did not seeing the rich man wanted to give them warning.
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In context, by effect, I meant that neither would cause them to believe.
 
homwardbound

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directline2iam said:
Do we put them at our gates out of pity even though they take advantage of us or does God put them there?
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Brother now this is where discernment takes place. Wise as a serpent, harmless as a dove.
Ex: Kin Nebechenezzar had to chew the cud of the ground. Now if I fed him who would he depend on?

Who always knows what is needed for us? here is where one trusts God all in all, or not, and places trust in self and this world, in its holier than thou places. When all in all the true place of worship is in Heaven, Hebrews 8
 
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crossnote said:
Only if they beleved God's Word, which apparently they did not seeing the rich man wanted to give them warning.
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Yeah...wouldn't that be something...believe in God's Word. Seems we're all having to move uphill for that one. Kyrie eleison.
 
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LEPIDUS said:
In context, by effect, I meant that neither would cause them to believe.
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In ANY context faith comes by hearing God's Word...not miracles.
If you mean there is no guarantee that they will believe, I agree but the rich man was putting his chips on the miracle rather than God's Word.
 
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crossnote said:
In ANY context faith comes by hearing God's Word...not miracles.
If you mean there is no guarantee that they will believe, I agree but the rich man was putting his chips on the miracle rather than God's Word.
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KJV1611 said:
What are your thoughts on this?

Luk 16:29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
Luk 16:30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
Luk 16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
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I understand what you are saying. All I meant is that from that verse neither, Moses and the prophets, or one being resurrected would make them believe. In context.

But you are right faith comes from hearing and hearing the word of God.
 
homwardbound

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LEPIDUS said:
I understand what you are saying. All I meant is that from that verse neither, Moses and the prophets, or one being resurrected would make them believe. In context.

But you are right faith comes from hearing and hearing the word of God.
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Yep, from God via the Holy Spirit of God, working through us in God's love as in 1 Cor 13:4-7. Only by God does anyone come to the Faith in Christ. Just the same as the disciples had to wait for God to come and do the work of God through them Th first day of Pentecost
What did it cost them? Their very own lives. I see it as an exchanged life, my life for Christ's life
 
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KJV1611 said:
What are your thoughts on this?

Luk 16:29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
Luk 16:30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
Luk 16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
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I think Jesus meant that Moses and the Prophets equal the N.T.

"For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them..." Heb.4:2
 
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oldernotwiser said:
have you ever offered a job to one of them?
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Here in Canada I did but Lazarus said thanks but on thanks for if he takes the job he would lose the welfare money which is close to a thousand dollars a month plus other benefits the working class could only dream of so day after day he stands by the traffic light with that God bless you sign... at least he says God bless to passers by.
 
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chubbena said:
Here in Canada I did but Lazarus said thanks but on thanks for if he takes the job he would lose the welfare money which is close to a thousand dollars a month plus other benefits the working class could only dream of so day after day he stands by the traffic light with that God bless you sign... at least he says God bless to passers by.
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Isn't it just despicable the way that governments have tried to replace the Church.
They claim themselves as the officiators of marriage, the first line of charity, and the authority on education.

What you witnessed was the product of when the "powers of this world" pretend to be God.

Some governments even have taken the power over life and death, through abortion and euthanasia.
 
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