Did you know the early church never gathered on Sunday?

[JaumeJ]

Gen 2:3

And God blessed the seventh day, and hallowed it; because that in it he rested from all his work which God had created and made.

God blessed and hallowed the seventh day when He rested fom creating the other six......

There is said to have been an oral tradition handed down from Adam until Moses. In that oral tradition were the laws, but by the time mankind had evolved to the time of Abraham, very few men observed these oral traditions trading them for the new ways of the nations mankind became.

According to th Word Abraham was one of the last men who believed God. It stands to reason he knew about creation, and he most likely did keep the seventh day hallowed.

Hallow is a synonym for holy or separate, and this is what we are to be according to the Word, and so the Seventh Day to honor our Father Who gave us all that is.

It is within the realm of possibility there was no manner of observing the seventh day before Moses, but now that Moses has written all down for all who wish to know about the Father's desire for His children, we do know. So why not rest with our Father.

 

[TruthFromFrank]

frank,
can you give biblical reference to show that Abraham, Isaac and Jacob observed the Sabbath?

Hi Watcher, Scuba provided you with the correct information except that I would say they definitely did keep the Sabbath as they 'obeyed My Commandment'. God would not say that if it was not true. There is no other text specifically that links the Commandments, which includes the Sabbath command to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. But because Abraham being the father, it is accepted that he would have informed Isaac and Jacob to observe the Sabbath as they were part of the family. Abraham had a very close relationship with God and obviously God informed him what to do and what not ie the commandments.

It is also clear that God has given the Commandments to Moses as well when you read:- Exo 16:28:- "And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?" By asking this question it is quite clear that Moses knew about the law. This question was asked before the stone tablets were given to Moses.

It was only later on that God gave the stone tablets with the law written by Himself to Moses to confirm to the nation how important the Commandments were as that is the guideline or roadmap to salvation. God is a jealous God and He did not want Israel to go astray. The nation knew about the law before the time but it was not that important to them. Isn't it a very similar pattern regarding the law today in the world?

 

[TruthFromFrank]

Happy Sabbath everyone

Thank you. I trust you had a blessed Sabbath as well.

 

[TruthFromFrank]

God made Eve from Adam's rib in Gen 2:22. That is after Gen 1:26. Now what? Show me where Adam and Eve recognized the Sabbath. You're making things up to suit yourself.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

It is just amazing how you are. After I have given you the fact you come back still refuting what is being said and want to keep on arguing and throwing stones. It is obvious you do not want help as you are perfect. No more writing from me. Bye

 

[chubbena]

God made Eve from Adam's rib in Gen 2:22. That is after Gen 1:26. Now what? Show me where Adam and Eve recognized the Sabbath. You're making things up to suit yourself.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Let's forget the first Adam for a moment and see if the second Adam recognized or abolished the Sabbath. While on this, one may check Paul out also.

 

[Mac4Yuma]

The Sabbath change, from Saturday to Sunday, had to happen because God prophesied it would. In order to make this change happen there has to be some tweaking of Scripture to get the people of God to fall for the change, which the Bible was tweaked and the people of God did fall for it. The early church never gathered on Sunday, it's a delusion.

If you tell people the truth what will they use as a reason for not changing to Saturday when Jesus asked why?
Mac.

 

[Mac4Yuma]

The Sabbath change, from Saturday to Sunday, had to happen because God prophesied it would. In order to make this change happen there has to be some tweaking of Scripture to get the people of God to fall for the change, which the Bible was tweaked and the people of God did fall for it. The early church never gathered on Sunday, it's a delusion.

OK you have the day correct but you are on the wrong forum.
The Bible says to reason together with like minded others and from what I have read here most are not Saturday Sabbath keepers therefore you are on the wrong forum.
The only Saturday keepers you will find on open forums are church leaders because that is one of their jobs or our jobs even if I am long retired. Maybe you are a Church leader but from what I have read I do not feel right so I will check your profile. I do make mistakes and I have put my foot in my mouth a few times but that comes with the job and I do like to talk but writing English is not easy for me the spelling is really hard.
Mac.

 

[Scuba]

OK you have the day correct but you are on the wrong forum.
The Bible says to reason together with like minded others and from what I have read here most are not Saturday Sabbath keepers therefore you are on the wrong forum.
The only Saturday keepers you will find on open forums are church leaders because that is one of their jobs or our jobs even if I am long retired. Maybe you are a Church leader but from what I have read I do not feel right so I will check your profile. I do make mistakes and I have put my foot in my mouth a few times but that comes with the job and I do like to talk but writing English is not easy for me the spelling is really hard.
Mac.

If it's in the Bible then this is the right forum.

 

[prove-all]

I personally believe the Church of God seventh day is the closest. cog7.org

i current don't have a church to go to,

i do read from sorces i like

https://www.facebook.com/PhiladelphiaTrumpet
https://www.thetrumpet.com/library

 

[Kaycie]

Sunday Assembly:
John 20:19 "On the evening of that first day of the week, when the disciples were together, with the doors locked..." Why were disciples together? Because it was the first day of the week (Sunday). Why would they meet together when they were terrified to even go out? Because it was the first day of the week and they were to assemble for worship.

Sunday Giving:
1 Corinthians 16:2 "On the first day of every week, each one of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with your income, saving it up, so that when I come no collections will have to be made." OK, so if everyone set aside this money on the first day of the week in their homes, wouldn't someone have to go house to house collecting? They met together and all gave at once- at the church assembly- Sunday worship.

Sunday Sermon:
Acts 20:7 "Now on the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul, ready to depart the next day, spoke to them and continued his message until midnight." On the first day of the week they listened to a reading from God's word.

Sunday Taking of the Lord's Supper:
Acts 20:7 "Now on the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread..." When did the disciples break bread? It is obvious that he is speaking of a regular occurrence. Now I know they also broke bread during the week. I sing church, but I also praise God with others in my home during the week. But when I speak of the assembly praising God I am referring to the main time- the Sunday worship assembly.

Assembly, giving, praising, sermon, taking the Lord's Supper- this sounds like Sunday church service to me.

Revelation 1:10 "On the Lord’s Day I was in the Spirit, and..."

The Lord's Day is the first day of the week which is Sunday.

The Sabbath Day celebrated a finished creation. The Lord's Day celebrates a finished redemption. We who live in new testament times are under Christ- not Moses. We no longer keep the laws of Moses including the Sabbath Day, we keep the Lord's Day.

 

[JaumeJ]

There is no holy scripture changing the Sabbath of the Lord from the seventh day to the first day. There is nothing in the holy scripture mentioning or foretelling of the first day reploacing the seventh day.

I belong to no theology other than the Word. Perhaps more people should have this practice. You still may fellowship with all who love Jesus Christ as Savior, however you will be free of the hang-ups of the newly named theologies.

Newly named began with the naming of the first theology not mentioned in the Word.

 

[watcher2013]

There is nothing to prove they didn't keep the seventh day holy but there is something that proves they might have.

Genesis 26:4-5 And I will make your descendants multiply as the stars of heaven; I will give to your descendants all these lands; and in your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed; because Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws.”

Can you list all the laws contained in this statement?
If Sabbath was A law before Moses what was the charge about it? Can you please show biblical reference:

Either way, the Ten Commandments were given on stone because of transgression. In other words, they were written in stone because the people were not living by them when they should have been.

the statement from Gal 3:19 was made...
Gal 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

It was added...meaning it was not there...

The fourth commandment tells us to remember to keep the seventh day holy because that's the way God created it. The Law didn't make it holy, it only protects and enforces it's holiness. The fact that it's part of the Ten Commandments tells us that the people should have been keeping it holy but they weren't. Fallen man was not living by the will of God thus the need for the will of God to be etched into stone with God's own finger, not Moses' finger.

Those who rest on Sabbath...Rest it for the Lord... Those who worship God on Sunday...they worship the Lord.
Can you see the difference:
No damnation on worshipping God on firstday or anyday.

It was said in the Law that thou shall not do anywork on Sabbath...

Jesus said....

Mar_3:4 Then he asked them, "Is it lawful to do good or to do evil on Sabbath days, to save a life or to destroy it?" But they remained silent.

Let me ask you...
Is it good to walk on Sabbath or to Drive?

 

[watcher2013]

Hi Watcher, Scuba provided you with the correct information except that I would say they definitely did keep the Sabbath as they 'obeyed My Commandment'. God would not say that if it was not true. There is no other text specifically that links the Commandments, which includes the Sabbath command to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. But because Abraham being the father, it is accepted that he would have informed Isaac and Jacob to observe the Sabbath as they were part of the family. Abraham had a very close relationship with God and obviously God informed him what to do and what not ie the commandments.

Scuba provided a verse but not the correct information:
From your own statement:
"There is no other text specifically that links the Commandments, which includes the Sabbath command to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob"


Anything beyond what was written is an assumption...as proven by your following sentence:

"But because Abraham being the father"

You see now....Because there is no proven truth of your first statement....you are following your statement with self justification...by ASSUMING/ SPECULATING...

a simple biblical fact. For 2000 years no Sabbath keepers were ever mentioned...not until moses.

It is also clear that God has given the Commandments to Moses as well when you read:- Exo 16:28:- "And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?" By asking this question it is quite clear that Moses knew about the law. This question was asked before the stone tablets were given to Moses.

It was only later on that God gave the stone tablets with the law written by Himself to Moses to confirm to the nation how important the Commandments were as that is the guideline or roadmap to salvation. God is a jealous God and He did not want Israel to go astray. The nation knew about the law before the time but it was not that important to them. Isn't it a very similar pattern regarding the law today in the world?

It was indeed before the tablets...and there is no question about it..

but have you look at the verses before:
Exo 16:23and he told them, "This is what the LORD said: 'Tomorrow is a Sabbath observance, a holy Sabbath to the LORD. Bake what you want to bake and boil what you want to boil, and put aside whatever remains to be kept for yourselves until morning.'"
Exo 16:24They put it away until morning, as Moses commanded, and it did not smell bad, and there were no maggots in it.
Exo 16:25Moses said, "Eat it today, since today is a Sabbath to the LORD, and today you won't find it in the field.
Exo 16:26For six days you are to gather it, but on the seventh day, the Sabbath, there won't be any."

Exo 16:27

Nevertheless, that seventh day some of the people went out to gather, but they did not find any.

There was a commandment from the Lord given at that time (vs.23) pertaining to that day...
and in verse 26 it was very clear...

Six days gather...on the seventh day NONE.

and in verse 27...See how some of the people went out to GATHER...(only to further support that they do not know what is the WHOLE ISSUE About the Sabbath)

and that is why...The ISSUE about the SABBATH were explained even further in the following verses:

Exo 16:28 Then the LORD asked Moses, "How long will you people refuse to keep my commandments and my instructions?
Exo 16:29 You see that the LORD has given you the Sabbath, and so on the sixth day he gives you food for two days. Let each person stay where he is; let no one leave his place on the seventh day."

look at the conclusion in verse 30:

Exo 16:30 So the people rested on the seventh day.

Because they now know the purpose of gathering twice on the sixth day...

LET ME ASK YOU?
those people who gathered on the Seventh day, were they put to death?

 

[Scuba]

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Can you list all the laws contained in this statement?
If Sabbath was A law before Moses what was the charge about it? Can you please show biblical reference:



the statement from Gal 3:19 was made...
Gal 3:19Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

It was added...meaning it was not there...

Those who rest on Sabbath...Rest it for the Lord... Those who worship God on Sunday...they worship the Lord.
Can you see the difference:
No damnation on worshipping God on firstday or anyday.

It was said in the Law that thou shall not do anywork on Sabbath...

Jesus said....

Mar_3:4Then he asked them, "Is it lawful to do good or to do evil on Sabbath days, to save a life or to destroy it?" But they remained silent.

Let me ask you...
Is it good to walk on Sabbath or to Drive?

The foundation of worship is obedience. Honoring the seventh day is, in itself, an act of worship. There is nothing wrong with gathering on Sunday but we must not forget the seventh day in the process.

The seventh day was created holy, blessed and sanctified at creation. These words have meaning to those who love God and value what God values. It was holy before the Law, the Law only protected the holiness of the seventh day and forces unregenerated people to value it. Murder was wrong before the Law. The Law only protects life and forces us unregenerated people to value it. Do you need a Law to force you to value the sacred things of God?

 

[watcher2013]

The foundation of worship is obedience. Honoring the seventh day is, in itself, an act of worship. There is nothing wrong with gathering on Sunday but we must not forget the seventh day in the process.

The seventh day was created holy, blessed and sanctified at creation. These words have meaning to those who love God and value what God values. It was holy before the Law, the Law only protected the holiness of the seventh day and forces unregenerated people to value it. Murder was wrong before the Law. The Law only protects life and forces us unregenerated people to value it. Do you need a Law to force you to value the sacred things of God?

The Law showed me that whatever I Do...I cannot attained perfect righteousness before God...Only with CHRIST...

Now the question about walking...
How long is the reasonable distance for your members to consider walking when going to the congregation on Sabbath?

If there is no limit yet:
Do you consider those who lives nearby your congregation and still drive are in violation of the Sabbath?

 

[Scuba]

The Law showed me that whatever I Do...I cannot attained perfect righteousness before God...Only with CHRIST...

Now the question about walking...
How long is the reasonable distance for your members to consider walking when going to the congregation on Sabbath?

If there is no limit yet:
Do you consider those who lives nearby your congregation and still drive are in violation of the Sabbath?

The seventh day is still holy and blessed, that will never change. Religious man made the Sabbath a burden by building walls around the Law to protect the Law, not the Sabbath. Religious man used the Law to make the Sabbath a burden, Jesus changed all that. Use the teachings of Jesus when honoring the Sabbath, not the ways of religious man.

 

[watcher2013]

The seventh day is still holy and blessed, that will never change. Religious man made the Sabbath a burden by building walls around the Law to protect the Law, not the Sabbath. Religious man used the Law to make the Sabbath a burden, Jesus changed all that. Use the teachings of Jesus when honoring the Sabbath, not the ways of religious man.

Indeed...The seventh Day remained and will always be holy cause God made it holy...

Now let's go back on the question about walking....

 

[Scuba]

Indeed...The seventh Day remained and will always be holy cause God made it holy...

Now let's go back on the question about walking....

Jesus walked everywhere on the Sabbath. Not walking too many feet on the Sabbath is a man made rule not a God made rule. Not healing on the Sabbath is a man made rule not a God made rule and so on and so forth.

 

[watcher2013]

Jesus walked everywhere on the Sabbath. Not walking too many feet on the Sabbath is a man made rule not a God made rule.

God said thou shall not do anywork on Sabbath..and if walking is good.

so do you consider those members who lives nearby the congregation and still drive to go there in violation of Sabbath?

 

[Scuba]

God said thou shall not do anywork on Sabbath..and if walking is good.

so do you consider those members who lives nearby the congregation and still drive to go there in violation of Sabbath?

No! Look to the life and teachings of Jesus to interpret the Law, not the Pharisees. The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. If you want more details regarding the Sabbath and how it was changed to Sunday go here...Unlocking Bible Prophecy