The Shooting of Michael Brown

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Atwood

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''7) The African-Americans in the USA probably have more loyalty to the name of Jesus than do those of north European descent in our present age.''

Without proof this is a blatantly bigoted statement...and I do not know how you would ever prove that. To even make this assumption suggests a prejudicial slant.

The problem with number 8 is....has any african american been a slave who is alive today? If slavery is affecting how you live your life you are in bondage to a lie and filled with hatreds

ABC news

"Evangelism soars particularly among blacks, . . . : Two-thirds of blacks describe themselves as evangelical or born-again Christians, double the share of whites who do so."
 
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7) The African-Americans in the USA probably have more loyalty to the name of Jesus than do those of north European descent in our present age. (Atwood)

IMHO, the overwhelming majority of them wear the faith on their sleeves rather in their hearts. While they may profess their love for Jesus, their lifestyles contradicts the Scriptures. Their lifestyle & behavior are more of the secular world than the religious one.

Will give you another stat that also contradicts another group of Blacks that has a very high number of so-called Christians. Haiti has been quoted to have 80% of its population practices Christianity(Catholic). At the same time, 50% of those 80% practice a combination of Christianity & Voodoo. And Voodoo has been proclaimed as Haiti's national religion!! Try sorting that out.

Translation: It is really about 'quality' rather than quantity. IMHO, if I had to measure the real, authentic love for Jesus in the Black community on a scale from 1-10, I would on the average give it a 3.
 
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I don't and I'll tell you why. Because people like the ones in that funeral video still don't get it. They're playing the age old game of self-denial.

Posting up some photo of Brown that's obviously several years old and not an accurate representation of the strong arm thug and aspiring gangster rapper named "Big" Mike that attacked the police officer is disingenuous.

Having the unapologetic Brawley liar and anti-white racist Al Sharpton as the speaker was the cherry on the cake of self-deceit.


I think it is fitting that today's funeral service for Mr.Brown help to close it out.
 
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It is just my general impression. To call it blatantly bigoted is judgmental nonsense.

Here is a statement from ChristianPost.com (I think):



I don't think it is at all difficult to come up with demographical statistics on professed Christian.[/FONT][/COLOR]
Your impression does not seem to have definitive proof, since stats on people who call themselves christians are greatly different than reality.

In other words you made a statement with no possibility of there being proof of it and made it because it was ''your impression''.

Making assumptions based solely on race without factual support.........what do you call that?

If I said it seems whites are more christian based on my assumptions..........see?

The fact is God is not a respector of person, or color, or ethnicity. No race is more christian than another. To make even assumptions that one race is more....whatever.....than another without support....defines bigotry.
 
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By the way the crime stats given earlier in the african american community does not exactly support your position either.
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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The Public Religion Research Institute (PRRI) published the results of their 2013 survey which show that 75% of white Americans have s have "entirely white social networks without any minority presence" and 66% of black Americans have "entirely black social networks without any white presence."

PRRI Report: http://publicreligion.org/site/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/AVS-Topline-FINAL.pdf

The implication of these findings is that when we talk about race in America, we are by and large discussing it with people who look like us.
 

Atwood

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Your impression does not seem to have definitive proof, since stats on people who call themselves christians are greatly different than reality.

In other words you made a statement with no possibility of there being proof of it and made it because it was ''your impression''.
Before you attack, you need to go and read carefully what was posted. I spoke about profession, not real Christians so far as stats are concerned. It is my impression that more blacks profess Christianity than whites by percent. That is all.

You need to stop making false accusations. satan is the accuser of the brethren.
 

Atwood

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7) The African-Americans in the USA probably have more loyalty to the name of Jesus than do those of north European descent in our present age. (Atwood)

IMHO, the overwhelming majority of them wear the faith on their sleeves rather in their hearts. While they may profess their love for Jesus, their lifestyles contradicts the Scriptures. Their lifestyle & behavior are more of the secular world than the religious one.

Will give you another stat that also contradicts another group of Blacks that has a very high number of so-called Christians. Haiti has been quoted to have 80% of its population practices Christianity(Catholic). At the same time, 50% of those 80% practice a combination of Christianity & Voodoo. And Voodoo has been proclaimed as Haiti's national religion!! Try sorting that out.

Translation: It is really about 'quality' rather than quantity. IMHO, if I had to measure the real, authentic love for Jesus in the Black community on a scale from 1-10, I would on the average give it a 3.
Biscuit, I am speaking about the USA, not Haiti, not the world.
I have no way to know what percent of any group is real Christian, nor how much by percent they love the Lord Jesus.
 
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If that is all you are asserting, then your assertion is correct: A Religious Portrait of African-Americans | Pew Research Center's Religion & Public Life Project



However, so is biscuit's assertion that their behavior overall doesn't line up with their religious affiliation well. There certainly is a strong statistical correlation between immoral behavior and African-Americans.

For example, The Handbook of Crime Correlates (2009) is a literature review of over 5200 scientific studies examining how many different factors correlate with and otherwise are related to crime. Many of the studies are from the United States but the review also includes studies from other countries. The review states that studies on official data consistently finds higher crimes rates for Blacks than for Whites, especially regarding violent offenses.

The aggregate of scholarly studies also clearly shows that African-Americans engage in sexual immorality at a much higher rate as well. One only need visit the statistics on fatherless children in the African-American demographic for a chilling example.

There is a very real disconnect between the religious worldview a large percentage of African-Americans claim to identify with and their behavior with respect to that.

Instead of having a racist lying hypocrite like Al Sharpton feed their self denial at Brown's "Christian" funeral, a genuine Christian should have spoken unapologetically with straight talk to the real problems in the African-American community that underlie Brown's behavior that resulted in his premature death.


It is my impression that more blacks profess Christianity than whites by percent. That is all.
 

Atwood

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However, so is biscuit's assertion that their behavior overall doesn't line up with their religious affiliation well. There certainly is a strong statistical correlation between immoral behavior and African-Americans.
I sure have no way of rating persons sin frequency vs their pigment. Between humans the big sin is failing to love neighbor as self. And who could rate that?

As to fornication, it seems to me that our general population now approves of fornication or thinks it is a small sin. They call it being sexually active.
 
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Isn't that a racist statement, O Platypus?
Oh, there was indeed a racist statement. But I didn't make it. I was merely responding to it.

The following video is very enlightening. This man, Sgt. Major Dan Page, was the Crowd Control Officer in Ferguson, Missouri in charge of controlling crowds during the Michael Brown protests.

If we wonder how the black demographic in Ferguson could be up in arms against a police shooting of an unarmed 18 year old black man, it may be because there could be more than one cop like this one (below) on the Ferguson force. Read the Video description for more details. (Mr.Page says he's a killer)

[video=youtube;ygjaU5GGGCw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygjaU5GGGCw[/video] (He was later suspended once this video came to light)


[h=1]Missouri Revised Statutes[/h] [SIZE=+2] Chapter 563
Defense of Justification
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Do you personally know and interact with, 'the overwhelming majority' of black people in the USA?

7) The African-Americans in the USA probably have more loyalty to the name of Jesus than do those of north European descent in our present age. (Atwood)

IMHO, the overwhelming majority of them wear the faith on their sleeves rather in their hearts. While they may profess their love for Jesus, their lifestyles contradicts the Scriptures. Their lifestyle & behavior are more of the secular world than the religious one.

Will give you another stat that also contradicts another group of Blacks that has a very high number of so-called Christians. Haiti has been quoted to have 80% of its population practices Christianity(Catholic). At the same time, 50% of those 80% practice a combination of Christianity & Voodoo. And Voodoo has been proclaimed as Haiti's national religion!! Try sorting that out.

Translation: It is really about 'quality' rather than quantity. IMHO, if I had to measure the real, authentic love for Jesus in the Black community on a scale from 1-10, I would on the average give it a 3.
 
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Do you personally know and interact with, 'the overwhelming majority' of black people in the USA?
Let me just say that as a social scientist with degrees in the field and 32 years of experience, I don't get many challenges from Blacks or Whites.
 
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Witness said the officer shot Michael Brown 10 times. Autopsy showed 6 shots to Mr.Browns body in total. Including 2 shots in the skull. One through the right eye, one in the top of the head. This audio captures 10 shots. Which means there should be four bullets lodged somewhere in this neighborhood with the ballistics matching the officers service weapon.
[video=youtube;BiL-E5WAaUU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiL-E5WAaUU[/video]
 
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Let me just say that as a social scientist with degrees in the field and 32 years of experience, I don't get many challenges from Blacks or Whites.
That doesn't answer my question as pertained to your prior proclamation.
 
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biscuit

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That doesn't answer my question as pertained to your prior proclamation.
That is what we call "twist & bait" in social chat world. I did answer your question but you didn't like the answer.
 
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That is what we call "twist & bait" in social chat world. I did answer your question but you didn't like the answer.
Then you should stop twisting and baiting in this Christian forum.
No, you didn't answer my question. You twisted the question and answered it in a manner that you were satisfied with. But that answer doesn't support your prior proclamation.
the overwhelming majority of them wear the faith on their sleeves rather in their hearts.
Any reasonable person knows you can not make that statement in good faith. I simply asked you if you personally knew that overwhelming majority whom you speak of so as to judge them with what you impart as personal knowledge.
You can't. So you gave a twisted answer that said nothing at all in defense of your proclamation regarding that overwhelming majority.

In point of fact your entire post, in blue font top to bottom, has no credibility save for a personal biased "personal opinion". That you profess after making statements with regard to the overwhelming majority of blacks in America and their faith. It's a shame. And you're credentialed in higher education?
Really?
In my personal opinion your observations are racist.
 
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Atwood

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Witness said the officer shot Michael Brown 10 times.
I don't think any witness said that. The claim is that 11 shots are recorded. 7, brief pause, then 4 more. And that may be well be correct. He may have missed several times or the noises may not be gun shots. Time will tell when the experts go over the audio. It seems to contribute little to the case. Maybe the guy who assaulted the cop advanced while being shot at 7 times, stopped for a couple of seconds, then decided to charge.

We really don't know -- I have no way to know how this investigation will play out. But we do know that we should consider innocent until proven guilty. Do you agree with that?

Tell me "BlackPlatypus, " is your screen name racist?
 
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When this story first broke the reports were that Michael Brown was shot 10 times.

The autopsy later showed he was impacted 6 times.


I don't think any witness said that. The claim is that 11 shots are recorded. 7, brief pause, then 4 more. And that may be well be correct. He may have missed several times or the noises may not be gun shots. Time will tell when the experts go over the audio. It seems to contribute little to the case.

Tell me "BlackPlatypus, " is your screen name racist?
 
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Then you should stop twisting and baiting in this Christian forum.
No, you didn't answer my question. You twisted the question and answered it in a manner that you were satisfied with. But that answer doesn't support your prior proclamation.


Any reasonable person knows you can not make that statement in good faith. I simply asked you if you personally knew that overwhelming majority whom you speak of so as to judge them with what you impart as personal knowledge.
You can't. So you gave a twisted answer that said nothing at all in defense of your proclamation regarding that overwhelming majority.

In point of fact your entire post, in blue font top to bottom, has no credibility save for a personal biased "personal opinion". That you profess after making statements with regard to the overwhelming majority of blacks in America and their faith. It's a shame. And you're credentialed in higher education?
Really?
In my personal opinion your observations are racist.
Then you need to move on and get a life. If you don't like my opinions, you need to scroll down to the next post, put me on ignore or click to another thread.

We are all entitled to our personal opinions, and if you don't like mine .... TOO BAD.:p LOL!!
 
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