A Born Again Person Can Not Become Dead OSAS is Biblical

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Preaching that people can loose their salvation brings unnecessary fear and worry into genuine believers lives as it is not true. That is work of Satan, cripple the Christians, the only people who do not care are the spiritually dead religious people.
True, to a point.
It's not a moot point when there are elements that are invested in leading people to believe Salvation is not eternal. They are rebuking God's word and interjecting their own at the peril of peoples souls who would believe that.

OSAS is not a license to sin. Scripture speaks to the new creature that we become once we are redeemed by the blood of the lamb. And what is expected of us as one who is reborn, having left their sinful nature behind.

Well said.
 
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................................Preaching that people can loose their salvation brings unnecessary fear and worry into genuine believers lives as it is not true. That is work of Satan, cripple the Christians, the only people who do not care are the spiritually dead religious people.
"Unnecessary fear"? Are you nuts? If anything is necessary it is to fear losing your salvation. The downside is eternal damnation. That doesn't scare you? It scares me, and I ain't afraid of nothing.

Matthew 10:28 "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."
 
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But there is no fear for the born again Christian who has received eternal salvation in the Lord. That's the point.

The fear paradigm that is being woven is that which is being taught as a false doctrine by those who want to induce fear in those faithful to Christ. So as to convince them Jesus mission to earth was a lie, salvation is an impermanent covenant, which is impossible with God, and that despite what the believer thinks, all they have to do is screw up once, or choose to backslide, and Jesus wants nothing to do with them and to Hell they go.

This is the testament of the evil one. Who continues to try to repeal Jesus' mission to earth and God's covenant with the human race Satan hates.

Fear not! Jesus is not a liar. Your salvation is eternal. Eternal is not redefined by adversaries of God. God defines eternal and he does not change. (HUG)
 
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May the light of the truth of God shine within the fear of those who are persuaded by whispers from the dark to doubt the eternal irrevocable covenant the King of Heaven has made with his faithful. Hallelujah! Christ is savior and salvation is eternal thanks be to his sacrifice on the cross.
Be not afraid. God is not a man that he should lie. It is not those under the covenant of God who need be afraid of false teachers. It is the false teachers who are afraid. Hold them in your prayers.




Jeremiah 23(ESV)

The Righteous Branch

23 “Woe to the shepherds who destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture!” declares the Lord. [SUP]2 [/SUP]Therefore thus says the Lord, the God of Israel, concerning the shepherds who care for my people: “You have scattered my flock and have driven them away, and you have not attended to them. Behold, I will attend to you for your evil deeds, declares the Lord. [SUP]3 [/SUP]Then I will gather the remnant of my flock out of all the countries where I have driven them, and I will bring them back to their fold, and they shall be fruitful and multiply. [SUP]4 [/SUP]I will set shepherds over them who will care for them, and they shall fear no more, nor be dismayed, neither shall any be missing, declares the Lord.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]“Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will raise up for David a righteous Branch, and he shall reign as king and deal wisely, and shall execute justice and righteousness in the land. [SUP]6 [/SUP]In his days Judah will be saved, and Israel will dwell securely. And this is the name by which he will be called: ‘The Lord is our righteousness.’
[SUP]7 [/SUP]“Therefore, behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when they shall no longer say, ‘As the Lord lives who brought up the people of Israel out of the land of Egypt,’ [SUP]8 [/SUP]but ‘As the Lord lives who brought up and led the offspring of the house of Israel out of the north country and out of all the countries where he[SUP][a][/SUP] had driven them.’ Then they shall dwell in their own land.”
Lying Prophets

[SUP]9 [/SUP]Concerning the prophets:
My heart is broken within me;
all my bones shake;
I am like a drunken man,
like a man overcome by wine,
because of the Lord
and because of his holy words.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For the land is full of adulterers;
because of the curse the land mourns,
and the pastures of the wilderness are dried up.
Their course is evil,
and their might is not right.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]“Both prophet and priest are ungodly;
even in my house I have found their evil,
declares the Lord.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Therefore their way shall be to them
like slippery paths in the darkness,
into which they shall be driven and fall,
for I will bring disaster upon them
in the year of their punishment,
declares the Lord.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]In the prophets of Samaria
I saw an unsavory thing:
they prophesied by Baal
and led my people Israel astray.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]But in the prophets of Jerusalem
I have seen a horrible thing:
they commit adultery and walk in lies;
they strengthen the hands of evildoers,
so that no one turns from his evil;
all of them have become like Sodom to me,
and its inhabitants like Gomorrah.”
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Therefore thus says the Lord of hosts concerning the prophets:
“Behold, I will feed them with bitter food
and give them poisoned water to drink,
for from the prophets of Jerusalem
ungodliness has gone out into all the land.”

[SUP]16 [/SUP]Thus says the Lord of hosts: “Do not listen to the words of the prophets who prophesy to you, filling you with vain hopes. They speak visions of their own minds, not from the mouth of the Lord. [SUP]17 [/SUP]They say continually to those who despise the word of the Lord, ‘It shall be well with you’; and to everyone who stubbornly follows his own heart, they say, ‘No disaster shall come upon you.’”
[SUP]18 [/SUP]For who among them has stood in the council of the Lord
to see and to hear his word,
or who has paid attention to his word and listened?
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Behold, the storm of the Lord!
Wrath has gone forth,
a whirling tempest;
it will burst upon the head of the wicked.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]The anger of the Lord will not turn back
until he has executed and accomplished
the intents of his heart.
In the latter days you will understand it clearly.

[SUP]21 [/SUP]“I did not send the prophets,
yet they ran;
I did not speak to them,
yet they prophesied.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]But if they had stood in my council,
then they would have proclaimed my words to my people,
and they would have turned them from their evil way,
and from the evil of their deeds.

[SUP]23 [/SUP]“Am I a God at hand, declares the Lord, and not a God far away? [SUP]24 [/SUP]Can a man hide himself in secret places so that I cannot see him? declares the Lord. Do I not fill heaven and earth? declares the Lord. [SUP]25 [/SUP]I have heard what the prophets have said who prophesy lies in my name, saying, ‘I have dreamed, I have dreamed!’ [SUP]26 [/SUP]How long shall there be lies in the heart of the prophets who prophesy lies, and who prophesy the deceit of their own heart, [SUP]27 [/SUP]who think to make my people forget my name by their dreams that they tell one another, even as their fathers forgot my name for Baal? [SUP]28 [/SUP]Let the prophet who has a dream tell the dream, but let him who has my word speak my word faithfully. What has straw in common with wheat? declares the Lord. [SUP]29 [/SUP]Is not my word like fire, declares the Lord, and like a hammer that breaks the rock in pieces? [SUP]30 [/SUP]Therefore, behold, I am against the prophets, declares the Lord, who steal my words from one another. [SUP]31 [/SUP]Behold, I am against the prophets, declares the Lord, who use their tongues and declare, ‘declares the Lord.’ [SUP]32 [/SUP]Behold, I am against those who prophesy lying dreams, declares the Lord, and who tell them and lead my people astray by their lies and their recklessness, when I did not send them or charge them. So they do not profit this people at all, declares the Lord.
[SUP]33 [/SUP]“When one of this people, or a prophet or a priest asks you, ‘What is the burden of the Lord?’ you shall say to them, ‘You are the burden,[SUP][b][/SUP] and I will cast you off, declares the Lord.’ [SUP]34 [/SUP]And as for the prophet, priest, or one of the people who says, ‘The burden of the Lord,’ I will punish that man and his household. [SUP]35 [/SUP]Thus shall you say, every one to his neighbor and every one to his brother, ‘What has the Lord answered?’ or ‘What has the Lord spoken?’ [SUP]36 [/SUP]But ‘the burden of the Lord’ you shall mention no more, for the burden is every man's own word, and you pervert the words of the living God, the Lord of hosts, our God. [SUP]37 [/SUP]Thus you shall say to the prophet, ‘What has the Lord answered you?’ or ‘What has the Lord spoken?’ [SUP]38 [/SUP]But if you say, ‘The burden of the Lord,’ thus says the Lord, ‘Because you have said these words, “The burden of the Lord,” when I sent to you, saying, “You shall not say, ‘The burden of the Lord,’” [SUP]39 [/SUP]therefore, behold, I will surely lift you up and cast you away from my presence, you and the city that I gave to you and your fathers. [SUP]40 [/SUP]And I will bring upon you everlasting reproach and perpetual shame, which shall not be forgotten.’”

 
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But there is no fear for the born again Christian who has received eternal salvation in the Lord. That's the point.

The fear paradigm that is being woven is that which is being taught as a false doctrine by those who want to induce fear in those faithful to Christ. So as to convince them Jesus mission to earth was a lie, salvation is an impermanent covenant, which is impossible with God, and that despite what the believer thinks, all they have to do is screw up once, or choose to backslide, and Jesus wants nothing to do with them and to Hell they go.

This is the testament of the evil one. Who continues to try to repeal Jesus' mission to earth and God's covenant with the human race Satan hates.

Fear not! Jesus is not a liar. Your salvation is eternal. Eternal is not redefined by adversaries of God. God defines eternal and he does not change. (HUG)
You're so right, BlackPlatypus. Satan caused me to doubt my salvation because I fell into sin about 2 weeks after I think I got saved. Ever since then, I've been useless for the Lord.
 
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By all means, preach to me. I could use prayer too, so I'd ask you to pray for me if you would.
 
Aug 20, 2014
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You're so right, BlackPlatypus. Satan caused me to doubt my salvation because I fell into sin about 2 weeks after I think I got saved. Ever since then, I've been useless for the Lord.
Sounds like a bumper sticker, because it is one actually but, take it to the Lord in prayer.
It's called backsliding. Sometimes a Christian who is new to the way thinks as soon as they rise from that baptismal water they'll have this epiphany of rightness.
Like some brilliant happening will tap them on the shoulder and say, well done! Now that you're born again all that old stuff will fall away and new things will shine for you.

And when it doesn't we wonder if Heaven paid attention to the change we made for ourselves in Jesus name.
It's easy to do what we always did prior to finding Christ. To fall back, to back-slide.

Some people think, and perhaps they've even had it actually happen, that as soon as they accept Jesus everything in them feels righteous. When they accept on faith they've become an eternally saved reborn , new, creature, that they're going to feel that physically, emotionally, mentally.
That, "coming home" contentedness that wells inside and lets them know peace where before there was only chaos and the urge to do wicked things.

And when that doesn't happen the doubt creeps in. Then that carnal rational intellect starts to look at what they've been asked to believe. And they pick it apart as that little voice inside says, does any of it make sense?

But that's the adversary working his tricks. The opposer to God's will and truth. Any opportunity to nudge doubt in there if we're feeling week and he'll take advantage. It's a test. Think on Job. Talk about test.

And only the individual knows for sure. That's why I say, take it to the Lord in prayer. There's no formula for doing that the "right" way. God is everywhere at all times. You can drop to your knees in your bedroom and weep like a baby if you want to. You can follow scripture and fix up a prayer closet in your home. Or, take a long walk in nature, God's tapestry, and speak to God in your thoughts in a person to spirit call.
Let it all out. Release everything. Some people let it all go, that old life, when they're baptized. It's as if when they rise from the water they've just washed away a ton of weight on their shoulders and layers of filth from their body. They literally feel born anew as a new person who left their old self in the water below.

Some people get saved when they're really not ready. Some think, why not? It's like that old story about Pascal's wager. Only they bet on it and think it's a balm that fools God and will change their life. But they're not called. Not really.
When it's right you'll feel it.
And that isn't saying you weren't called. Not by any means. But if you feel you're useless to the Lord now because of something you did after you were saved, you're having doubts. And that doesn't mean you're not truly called to Christ. It can mean that you feel so bad about what you think you did that could disappoint the power that knew you before you were born, that you can't face him. That guilt can cripple in many ways but especially one's faith that God can love them past that.
But he does.

Pray. Look in the mirror and realize God didn't make a mistake when he made you. When Jesus can forgive you before you were born for any and all that you'd do wrong, don't ever let yourself believe he can't forgive what you've done now.
God loves you. That's not a platitude that's a fact.
Now, since you're made in the image and likeness of "dad', you've got to love yourself. Because hey, you're the house of the holy. The holy spirit of the source of all that is, was, shall be, lives in you now.

Take care of that. Take care of yourself. (HUG) God be with you.


(Yes, preachy. But hey, this is a Christian forum. It would be wrong if it weren't from time to time. ;))
 
Aug 26, 2014
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By all means, preach to me. I'd ask that you also pray for me, if you don't mind.
 
Aug 20, 2014
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By all means, preach to me. I could use prayer too, so I'd ask you to pray for me if you would.
I certainly shall.
Pray for me if you would. God knows we are family. And family in Christ are there for each other.
 

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Sounds like a bumper sticker, because it is one actually but, take it to the Lord in prayer.
It's called backsliding. Sometimes a Christian who is new to the way thinks as soon as they rise from that baptismal water they'll have this epiphany of rightness.
Like some brilliant happening will tap them on the shoulder and say, well done! Now that you're born again all that old stuff will fall away and new things will shine for you.

And when it doesn't we wonder if Heaven paid attention to the change we made for ourselves in Jesus name.
It's easy to do what we always did prior to finding Christ. To fall back, to back-slide.

Some people think, and perhaps they've even had it actually happen, that as soon as they accept Jesus everything in them feels righteous. When they accept on faith they've become an eternally saved reborn , new, creature, that they're going to feel that physically, emotionally, mentally.
That, "coming home" contentedness that wells inside and lets them know peace where before there was only chaos and the urge to do wicked things.

And when that doesn't happen the doubt creeps in. Then that carnal rational intellect starts to look at what they've been asked to believe. And they pick it apart as that little voice inside says, does any of it make sense?

But that's the adversary working his tricks. The opposer to God's will and truth. Any opportunity to nudge doubt in there if we're feeling week and he'll take advantage. It's a test. Think on Job. Talk about test.

And only the individual knows for sure. That's why I say, take it to the Lord in prayer. There's no formula for doing that the "right" way. God is everywhere at all times. You can drop to your knees in your bedroom and weep like a baby if you want to. You can follow scripture and fix up a prayer closet in your home. Or, take a long walk in nature, God's tapestry, and speak to God in your thoughts in a person to spirit call.
Let it all out. Release everything. Some people let it all go, that old life, when they're baptized. It's as if when they rise from the water they've just washed away a ton of weight on their shoulders and layers of filth from their body. They literally feel born anew as a new person who left their old self in the water below.

Some people get saved when they're really not ready. Some think, why not? It's like that old story about Pascal's wager. Only they bet on it and think it's a balm that fools God and will change their life. But they're not called. Not really.
When it's right you'll feel it.
And that isn't saying you weren't called. Not by any means. But if you feel you're useless to the Lord now because of something you did after you were saved, you're having doubts. And that doesn't mean you're not truly called to Christ. It can mean that you feel so bad about what you think you did that could disappoint the power that knew you before you were born, that you can't face him. That guilt can cripple in many ways but especially one's faith that God can love them past that.
But he does.

Pray. Look in the mirror and realize God didn't make a mistake when he made you. When Jesus can forgive you before you were born for any and all that you'd do wrong, don't ever let yourself believe he can't forgive what you've done now.
God loves you. That's not a platitude that's a fact.
Now, since you're made in the image and likeness of "dad', you've got to love yourself. Because hey, you're the house of the holy. The holy spirit of the source of all that is, was, shall be, lives in you now.

Take care of that. Take care of yourself. (HUG) God be with you.


(Yes, preachy. But hey, this is a Christian forum. It would be wrong if it weren't from time to time. ;))
Don't pay any attention to his attacks. He just has an inferiority complex.
 
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So is a lost christian to be born again-again? Or once a christian loses their salvation there is no forgiveness?
What does God want a person to repent from? ....sin.....What does God clean us from?...sin.....what is the wages of sin...death...
Why would Christ ask the believers to repent ......because they were about to die...vs 2
Rev 3 ASV
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Be thou watchful, and establish the things that remain, which were ready to die: for I have found no works of thine perfected before my God.
.[SUP]3 [/SUP]Remember therefore how thou hast received and didst hear; and keep it, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

NIV
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Wake up! Strengthen what remains and is about to die, for I have found your deeds unfinished in the sight of my God.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Remember, therefore, what you have received and heard; hold it fast, and repent. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you.
 
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In 1 Corinthians 9:27 Paul says that even though he teaches others he needs to be careful that he also doesn't lose the prize (salvation).

"IF" is a conditional word...

Colossians 1:22 [FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]But now he has reconciled[/FONT][FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][/FONT][FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif] you by Christ’s physical body[/FONT][FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][/FONT][FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif] through death to present you[/FONT][FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][/FONT][FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif] holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation[/FONT][FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][/FONT][FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][/FONT] 23 if you continue in your faith, established and firm, and do not move from the hope held out in the gospel.

What was the significance of the prodigal son? What did it mean for us? It means that we can leave God and we can come back to God. Those who leave God are not in a safe state.

Let me put it this way....

You can get in and out of the boat as many times as you like- even though you know a shark may come unexpectedly. But if you are in the boat when it comes you won't die. If you are in a safe state when you die you won't die spiritually. But why risk it? And why be jealous of those who do? Like the prodigal's brother said- I've served you all this time and yet you celebrate him. No matter how many hours you work we all get the same wage- salvation IF IF IF.


 
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In 1 Corinthians 9:27 Paul says that even though he teaches others he needs to be careful that he also doesn't lose the prize (salvation).

"IF" is a conditional word...

Colossians 1:22 But now he has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation23 if you continue in your faith, established and firm, and do not move from the hope held out in the gospel.

What was the significance of the prodigal son? What did it mean for us? It means that we can leave God and we can come back to God. Those who leave God are not in a safe state.

Let me put it this way....

You can get in and out of the boat as many times as you like- even though you know a shark may come unexpectedly. But if you are in the boat when it comes you won't die. If you are in a safe state when you die you won't die spiritually. But why risk it? And why be jealous of those who do? Like the prodigal's brother said- I've served you all this time and yet you celebrate him. No matter how many hours you work we all get the same wage- salvation IF IF IF.


John 10:28-29 - "And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand."

How can I, being a man, pluck myself out of God's hand? Either I have salvation or I was never saved to begin with.
 

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Let's take it one example at a time. Let's talk about those widows who have cast off their first faith. Okay, there are two sets of passages in this one example that I had taken from the list that I provided. Okay, lets look at the first passage.

1 Timothy 6:5-7
"Now she that is a widow indeed, and desolate, trusteth in God, and continueth in supplications and prayers night and day. But she that liveth in pleasure is dead while she liveth. And these things give in charge, that they may be blameless."

Did you catch that? Here above we see a contrast between the widow that is serving God and the widow who is not. For it is saying that the widow who lives in pleasure is dead while she lives. Meaning she is spiritually dead while she is still living physically if she is living in pleasure. Does this mean that OSAS is true unless your a widow who lives in pleasure? I don't think so. The Scriptures say that God is not a respector of persons.

Now, on to our second passage.

1 Timothy 6:11-15
"But the younger widows refuse: for when they have begun to wax wanton against Christ, they will marry; Having damnation, because they have cast off their first faith. And withal they learn to be idle, wandering about from house to house; and not only idle, but tattlers also and busybodies, speaking things which they ought not. I will therefore that the younger women marry, bear children, guide the house, give none occasion to the adversary to speak reproachfully. For some are already turned aside after Satan."

Did you see what it said? In context of the previious verses, it says that we are to refuse in providing financially to young believing widows. Why? Well, if we were to give the younger (believing) widows money they will then begin to wax wanton against Christ (because they are trusting in that money) and they will marry again for the wrong reasons and have damnation casting off their first faith. It then says, some have already turned aside after Satan. Now, lets understand something here. Unbelievers cannot turn aside unto Satan. They are already in Satan's grip and need to be born again spiritually into the Kingdom of God. I cannot depart (turn aside or away from) Houston airport unless I am in Houston airport. Only believers can turn aside after Satan.

Also, these widows are said to have cast off their first faith. You can't cast off something that you don't have. If can't cast off a ball in your hand unless you possess the ball. You have to be in possession of something in order to cast that thing off.
1 Timothy 6:5-7 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.
But godliness with contentment is great gain.
For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out.

1 Timothy 6:11-15 But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness.
Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses.
I give thee charge in the sight of God, who quickeneth all things, and before Christ Jesus, who before Pontius Pilate witnessed a good confession;
That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords

Your references not mine.
First, you did not address the passages concerning the widows. Second, you didn't actually quote the passages I provided. I mentioned 1 Timothy 6:8-10. Let's look at the last two verses, though.

1 Timothy 6:9-10
"But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition. For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows."

It doesn't get any clearer than that. The love of money is the root of all evil. So does that mean an OSAS proponent can love money and still be saved? Well, I can't see how that is possible if it is the root of all evil. But, to make it unmistakable, the passage continues and says that those that have coveted after money have erred from the faith and pierced themselves thru withh many sorrows. Doesn't sound like such a person is saved to me. So this disproves OSAS.
What can I say? I tried to tell you that you gave me wrong references and I pasted your wrong references so please take your time and make it straight.
 

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What does God want a person to repent from? ....sin.....What does God clean us from?...sin.....what is the wages of sin...death...
Why would Christ ask the believers to repent ......because they were about to die...vs 2
Rev 3 ASV
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Be thou watchful, and establish the things that remain, which were ready to die: for I have found no works of thine perfected before my God.
.[SUP]3 [/SUP]Remember therefore how thou hast received and didst hear; and keep it, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

NIV
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Wake up! Strengthen what remains and is about to die, for I have found your deeds unfinished in the sight of my God.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Remember, therefore, what you have received and heard; hold it fast, and repent. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you.
Thank you for not answering.

So is a lost christian to be born again-again? Or once a christian loses their salvation there is no forgiveness?
 

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By all means, preach to me. I'd ask that you also pray for me, if you don't mind.
"Heavenly Father I pray for this person, who doubts his salvation. Show him your love, encourage him to know that he cannot lose his salvation. In Jesus name I pray, Amen."

"for he has said, “I will never leave you nor forsake you.”" Hebrews 13:5b

We are saved by faith, not by works. Therefore press on towards the mark of the high calling of Jesus Christ.

"I press on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus." Phil. 3:14

Finally, don't look back, and don't worry about those who do not understand salvation. Run with endurance! You can do it!

"Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us also lay aside every weight, and sin which clings so closely, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us,[SUP]2 [/SUP]looking to Jesus, the founder and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is seated at the right hand of the throne of God." Hebrews 12:1-2
 
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"Heavenly Father I pray for this person, who doubts his salvation. Show him your love, encourage him to know that he cannot lose his salvation. In Jesus name I pray, Amen."

"for he has said, “I will never leave you nor forsake you.”" Hebrews 13:5b

We are saved by faith, not by works. Therefore press on towards the mark of the high calling of Jesus Christ.

"I press on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus." Phil. 3:14

Finally, don't look back, and don't worry about those who do not understand salvation. Run with endurance! You can do it!

"Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us also lay aside every weight, and sin which clings so closely, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us,[SUP]2 [/SUP]looking to Jesus, the founder and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is seated at the right hand of the throne of God." Hebrews 12:1-2
Thank you for that. I think it's come to a place where I sometimes think I'm saved but at other times think I never was. I do find that, the more I sin, the more I tend to doubt my salvation.
 
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No one can take you from God, but you yourself can choose to leave God.

1 Corinthians 6:9,10 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men[a]10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

Revelation 21:8
But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars--they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death."

You can not live in sin with no effort to leave it, and expect to go to heaven.

Judas is not going to heaven.
 

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Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
(Rom 5:9-10)

And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
(Joh 10:28-29)

These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
(1Jn 5:13)

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
(Joh 5:24)