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Enlightement,
I am truly sorry I can't make my OP clearer. I wish I can.
I am not saying that those disgusting acts during the OT are wrong. On the contrary, I believe it was justified then. What I am saying is, it is no longer now. So why was it justified then and not anymore now. Is God's mind changing, is our way of justification different now? Are the laws changed?
I am truly sorry I can't make my OP clearer. I wish I can.
I am not saying that those disgusting acts during the OT are wrong. On the contrary, I believe it was justified then. What I am saying is, it is no longer now. So why was it justified then and not anymore now. Is God's mind changing, is our way of justification different now? Are the laws changed?
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God worked different in the OT covenant than He does in the NT covenant.Are we really meant to know everything about God and how He works? If so then the Bible would be a lot bigger. I might be "new" here but I am not "new". Just saying and meaning no offense. John 21:25 "Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written." And that's just Jesus. Then you add God the Father and the Holy Spirit...wow that's a lot of writtings. I am just saying there are things we don't need to know and this could be one of those things.
There are a lot of contextual things to take into consideration when looking at rape incest etc..
1) Does God actually approve of the act, or is it people doing things their own way?
2) Is there cultural things going on that were part of the traditions and customs that God is tolerating due to the people being faithful in other areas eg. many wives
3) Incest, when you go way back was not an issue. Adam and Eve's children interbred. There line was that pure that the children were not affected by sin to the same extent. Family could interbreed because the affects of sin had not taken it's affect on the offspring. The problem now with incest is that you have so many generations of people with sins affecting each generation that when there is incest, there is a much greater chance of the child turning out deformed etc..
4) Murder. God ordered mass amounts of people to be killed it is true. But they were doing this because the people being killed were so ungodly, the affect if they had not been eradicated would most likely have created even worse problems now with ungodliness. The main thing is that God can see all history- past present and future and He has the right to take and give life. Is there an issue with removing a group of ungodly people so that millions of faithful people survive?
Guess with most of these things it is God knowing far more than we do. His wisdom is so much greater. We can try to understand but we only go so far.
1) Does God actually approve of the act, or is it people doing things their own way?
2) Is there cultural things going on that were part of the traditions and customs that God is tolerating due to the people being faithful in other areas eg. many wives
3) Incest, when you go way back was not an issue. Adam and Eve's children interbred. There line was that pure that the children were not affected by sin to the same extent. Family could interbreed because the affects of sin had not taken it's affect on the offspring. The problem now with incest is that you have so many generations of people with sins affecting each generation that when there is incest, there is a much greater chance of the child turning out deformed etc..
4) Murder. God ordered mass amounts of people to be killed it is true. But they were doing this because the people being killed were so ungodly, the affect if they had not been eradicated would most likely have created even worse problems now with ungodliness. The main thing is that God can see all history- past present and future and He has the right to take and give life. Is there an issue with removing a group of ungodly people so that millions of faithful people survive?
Guess with most of these things it is God knowing far more than we do. His wisdom is so much greater. We can try to understand but we only go so far.
Someone already mentioned that it is a time thing, moving from one age to another. I believe that one reason God tolerated all the things you mentioned was because people were so inclined that way that punishment wouldn't stop them. In Acts 17, Paul, preaching to the Athenians says, "Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked but now commands all men everywhere to repent." In both OT and NT, you see that God tolerates sin to a point and then requires repentance or else judgment, so the bulk of it seems to be dependent on timing or different ages (post Law, Law, Grace, etc.). Good question though. I used to be perplexed as to why God didn't mention a ban on certain sins in both OT and NT.
God never regarded free will murder as obedience. As always is the case with obedience, it was only obedience if God said to do it. I believe the proper way to phrase your question is "Why did God tell Israel to kill in the past but does not tell them to do so now?"
Maybe it doesn't seem so, but I have found that if you hope to get the right answers (especially pertaining to God), you have to ask the right questions. If you ask God, "Why did You murder people?", He cannot answer that question because He never murdered people (He did send judgment that ended in their deaths). But if you pose the question this way, He can answer it: "Why did You kill or send judgment on people in the past but don't do so now?"
Some people suffer loss, bereavement, all kinds of illnesses, then ask God, "Why did You do this to me?" or "Why did You let this happen to me?" They rarely get any answers (this is where a good bulk of the belief that 'we have to wait till eternity to get answers' comes from), because they are asking the wrong questions and because their sense of being more right than God (i.e. they are angry at God and don't want to hear what He has to say as in the case of Job) deafens them to hearing His answers. A couple that loses a child, for instance, may ask, "Why did God... Why didn't God..." They would get quicker and more satisfactory answers (instead of heart-breaking and confusing answers from friends) if they asked something like this instead: "What happened?" and "Why did this happen?" This also is true for "Why me" questions (rarely any answers for those) instead of "Why" questions which leave room for answers.
All the above is to say that you are more likely to get the right answer and even to figure out the answer on your own if you consolidate all you wrote above to this: "Why did God tell Israel to kill in the past but does not tell them to do so now?"
Maybe it doesn't seem so, but I have found that if you hope to get the right answers (especially pertaining to God), you have to ask the right questions. If you ask God, "Why did You murder people?", He cannot answer that question because He never murdered people (He did send judgment that ended in their deaths). But if you pose the question this way, He can answer it: "Why did You kill or send judgment on people in the past but don't do so now?"
Some people suffer loss, bereavement, all kinds of illnesses, then ask God, "Why did You do this to me?" or "Why did You let this happen to me?" They rarely get any answers (this is where a good bulk of the belief that 'we have to wait till eternity to get answers' comes from), because they are asking the wrong questions and because their sense of being more right than God (i.e. they are angry at God and don't want to hear what He has to say as in the case of Job) deafens them to hearing His answers. A couple that loses a child, for instance, may ask, "Why did God... Why didn't God..." They would get quicker and more satisfactory answers (instead of heart-breaking and confusing answers from friends) if they asked something like this instead: "What happened?" and "Why did this happen?" This also is true for "Why me" questions (rarely any answers for those) instead of "Why" questions which leave room for answers.
All the above is to say that you are more likely to get the right answer and even to figure out the answer on your own if you consolidate all you wrote above to this: "Why did God tell Israel to kill in the past but does not tell them to do so now?"
Because the stories in the OT are shadows of what's coming. The promised land (that is, the Kingdom of Christ) will be devoid of unbelievers:
"For the upright shall dwell in the land, and the perfect shall remain in it. But the wicked shall be cut off from the earth, and the transgressors shall be rooted out of it." Pro.2:21-22
"The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;" Mt.13:41
You're reading a story bro, that was meant to convey a spiritual truth:
"For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning..." Rom.15:4
"For the upright shall dwell in the land, and the perfect shall remain in it. But the wicked shall be cut off from the earth, and the transgressors shall be rooted out of it." Pro.2:21-22
"The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;" Mt.13:41
You're reading a story bro, that was meant to convey a spiritual truth:
"For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning..." Rom.15:4
K
Ah sin, the problem of humanity, sin doe's no harm to God as many think. God is God and will always be God. Sin hurt's us and is why God doesn't want us to sin. But be careful to Judge, we do not know the heart of men even bad fruit can repent. Even while bad fruit is being produced a little fertilizer can change the outcome. It's not our call.
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Why are you here (on this board) since you appear to hate God so much?
You don't know the difference between murder and punishment.
Is the hangman guilty of murder for passing out the sentence handed down by the judge?
You have real problems with your lack of understanding and shallow depth of knowledge.
You don't know the difference between murder and punishment.
Is the hangman guilty of murder for passing out the sentence handed down by the judge?
You have real problems with your lack of understanding and shallow depth of knowledge.
You know you should look at the mirror once in a while. I wonder if you still can recognize yourself. You have indulged yourself in so much debates here in CC that you think all posts here are to challenge a faith or God.
Some of us here are still "amateurs" that we do not seek to argue nor debate but to find an answer. And I believe, the founding members of this site had that objective in mind when they started this site. If you have read through this OP, you would know that a decent member, Allin, is trying to help me figure out how to express my question to get the answer I am searching.
I wonder how a genius saved made person like you could always find time to post insults on this site.
Some of us here are still "amateurs" that we do not seek to argue nor debate but to find an answer. And I believe, the founding members of this site had that objective in mind when they started this site. If you have read through this OP, you would know that a decent member, Allin, is trying to help me figure out how to express my question to get the answer I am searching.
I wonder how a genius saved made person like you could always find time to post insults on this site.