well, I agree that born again people are brothers of Jesus... I disagree that all those people is the lord from heaven...
I put you on my ignore list as per your request. One last thing however. I also disagree that all those people is the lord from heaven...I have made it clear that all born again people are the Lord's who is from heaven... You see that scripture as confirming all of us as being spirit children before birth, and I see the same scripture as Paul introducing Christ to the people at Athens. There is no difference with them and Paul being natural offspring of creation, but this scripture is certainly not a confirmation of spirit children by using the term offspring for confirmation of what the entire context is saying. Jesus is the "firstborn" from the "dead". Sorry you cannot see the relevance. I have given much information to that truth by answering your questions as honestly as I can. The truth is we are of the spirit after being born again. we are not of the spirit before we are born. Here is how the Complete Jewish Bible tells the entire story of Paul and the poets.
Paul's escort went with him as far as Athens, then left with instructions for Silas and Timothy to come as quickly as they could. While Paul was waiting for them in Athens, his spirit within him was disturbed at the sight of the city full of idols. So he began holding discussions in the synagogue with the Jews and the "God-fearers," and in the market square every day with the people who happened to be there. Also a group of Epicurean and Stoic philosophers started meeting with him. Some asked, "What is this babbler trying to say?" Others, because he proclaimed the Good News about Jesus and the resurrection, said, "He sounds like a propagandist for foreign gods." They took and brought him before the High Council, saying, "May we know what this new teaching is that you are presenting? Some of the things we are hearing from you strike us as strange, and we would like to know what they mean." (All the Athenians and the foreigners living there used to spend their spare time talking or hearing about the
latest intellectual fads.) Paul stood up in the Council meeting and said, "Men of Athens: I see how very religious you are in every way! For as I was walking around, looking at your shrines, I even found an altar which had been inscribed, '
To An Unknown God.' So, the one whom you are already worshipping in ignorance-this is the one I proclaim to you. "The God who made the universe and everything in it, and who is Lord of heaven and earth, does not live in man-made temples; nor is he served by human hands, as if he lacked something;
since it is he himself who gives life and breath and everything to everyone. "From one man he made every nation living on the entire surface of the earth, and he fixed the limits of their territories and the periods when they would flourish.
God did this so that people would look for him and perhaps reach out and find him although in fact, he is not far from each one of us,
'for in him we live and move and exist.' Indeed, as some of the poets among you have said,
'We are actually his children.' So, since we are children of God, we shouldn't suppose that God's essence resembles gold, silver or stone shaped by human technique and imagination. "
In the past, God overlooked such ignorance; but now he is commanding all people everywhere to turn to him from their sins. For he has set a Day when he will judge the inhabited world, and do it justly,
by means of a man whom he has designated. And he has given
public proof of it by resurrecting this man from the dead."
At the mention of a resurrection of dead people, some began to scoff; while others said, "We want to hear you again on this subject." So Paul left the meeting. But some men stayed with him and came to trust, including the High Council member Dionysius the Areopagite, and a woman named Damaris, and others with them.
So what is the message? Proving our spiritual existence before birth or proving our spiritual existence by the resurrection of Christ? Think of how God has created things. Think of the parable of the sower and the seed. Before life springs forth, the seed has to die before a root is formed. Yes, we are actually His children. He created us, so why would we worship our creator shaped by our human technique and imagination. Does He not sustain us and give us our every breath? Yes
1 Corinthians 15:21-23
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For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die , even so in Christ shall all be made alive .
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
We all die as the first Adam so in like manner we live by the resurrection of the second Adam. The first Adam represents the entire populous of the world from the beginning of time, and the second Adam (Jesus Christ) represents the entire populous of all who believe in Him.
Continuing with 1 Corinthains 15:43-49
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It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: 44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
45 And so it is written , The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
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*Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
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And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
43 *We are not sown in glory and then raised in dishonour. We are not sown in power and then raised in weakness.
44 We are not sown a spiritual body and then raised a natural body.
If that were so, we would have the gospel message totally backwards. God forbid.
My God bless you with this truth.