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Bride Scare you????? You said you are a believer!!
Funny how you MUST reject the words of Jesus to be a believer??
One body, one baptism one faith!
The Catholic Church is UNIVERSAL because God is Universal!
One because God is just ONE!
The Catholic Church is Holy because God is Holy!
The Catholic Church is the ONLY Apostolic Church she has a linage, a unbroken chain of popes going back two thousand years, to Peter the key holder and thus to Jesus!
Baptism ADDED 3000 people to the Body of Jesus the first day of Pentecost Acts 2
Bride Eating.... the flesh of Jesus KEEPS these people IN His body!
53 Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you.54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink.56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them.
QUESTION did Jesus LIE? What does Jesus say in verse 53 (above)
What do you believe??? Or better yet.. Who taught you the flesh of Jesus is symbolic?
Funny how you MUST reject the words of Jesus to be a believer??
One body, one baptism one faith!
The Catholic Church is UNIVERSAL because God is Universal!
One because God is just ONE!
The Catholic Church is Holy because God is Holy!
The Catholic Church is the ONLY Apostolic Church she has a linage, a unbroken chain of popes going back two thousand years, to Peter the key holder and thus to Jesus!
Baptism ADDED 3000 people to the Body of Jesus the first day of Pentecost Acts 2
Bride Eating.... the flesh of Jesus KEEPS these people IN His body!
53 Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you.54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink.56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them.
QUESTION did Jesus LIE? What does Jesus say in verse 53 (above)
What do you believe??? Or better yet.. Who taught you the flesh of Jesus is symbolic?
Do you have any idea what you sound like insulting the Early Church Fathers with "blithering idiots" or "ignorant religious ideas"? Have you ever read them? Not all of them were right, but I contend that their consensus was infallible. You can always find some snippet out of context on some hate site, but if the Early Church Fathers were so wrong, then so are you.
True, but nowhere in the Bible is authority granted to the individual Bible reader to teach. It makes for inspirational reading, that cannot be denied. But the theological chaos over the last 500 years is clearly the result of removing the Bible from the Church. Then the Bible is "inspired" with thousands of competing meanings. sumin' wrong there.
Mere sinful human beings, bishops of the infant Church, superintended by the Holy Spirit, gave us the Bible. It did not fall from the sky. The Apostles and their successors have been commissioned to teach. SOME of the vast amount of their teaching was enscripturated. The Gospel message (not yet written) was kept alive by the ordained who possessed and taught it, not any believer. Not a single New Testament word was written for some 20 years after Pentecost. There would be "Bible" as we know it until the end of the 3rd century. Everything the Apostles taught could never fit in a book. Only 3 of them wrote. That leaves 9, doing what? Reading from the New Testament?
Apostolic Teaching is divinely protected from error, which includes the Bible, which came later. If the theory that the Holy Spirit withdrew divine protection from Apostolic Teaching , which includes Oral Tradition, how can the Bible be inspired?
Mere sinful human beings, bishops of the infant Church, superintended by the Holy Spirit, gave us the Bible. It did not fall from the sky. The Apostles and their successors have been commissioned to teach. SOME of the vast amount of their teaching was enscripturated. The Gospel message (not yet written) was kept alive by the ordained who possessed and taught it, not any believer. Not a single New Testament word was written for some 20 years after Pentecost. There would be "Bible" as we know it until the end of the 3rd century. Everything the Apostles taught could never fit in a book. Only 3 of them wrote. That leaves 9, doing what? Reading from the New Testament?
Apostolic Teaching is divinely protected from error, which includes the Bible, which came later. If the theory that the Holy Spirit withdrew divine protection from Apostolic Teaching , which includes Oral Tradition, how can the Bible be inspired?
I love that you suddenly forgot how to spell my name. Never mind.
Jesus did establish a church that was catholic (i.e universal and united), but he did not call the church catholic. Jesus never used the word. None of the NT writers did. It isn't until you get to Ignatius in the second century that people start describing the church as catholic, and then without any particular relatonship to the Roman episcopate.
I'm assuming you'renot going to argue that because the EAstern Orthodox church is called 'orthodox', that they are therefore the only church with orthodox teaching?
In any case, you're basically arguing my point. The whole church was considered catholic. There is only one church. That one church was established without any specific reference to the Roman papacy, which was one authority among many regional episcopates for centuries, basically until the breakup of the Roman empire and the ecumenical schisms that followed.
The reason the Roman Catholic church retained the name catholic is essentially the same as the reason why the Orthodox church retained the name Orthodox, or why there are Catholic churches that are not in communion with Rome today - the schisms came about because the various bodies had irreconcilable differences in regards mostly to praxis, and each believed itself to be the true authority. They split, but retained names intended to identify themselves as the 'true' church in order to sustain their authority.
Find me a single church father who argues a point without trying to derive their authority from Scripture. Just one who makes a doctrinal point on the basis of tradition apart from Scriptures. The fact that no one encapsulated the idea as 'sola scriptura' means nothing - what matters is what position did Scripture hold in their teaching, and specifically how did they view Scripture in terms of the succession of apostolic teaching?
Something from Irenaeus that's worth pondering:
Well, this is all wrong. Who's saying we don't need church? What we're saying (and what the Reformers were teaching) is that the church isn't determinative of doctrine - the Scriptures, as the apostolic deposit, are.
As for no sacraments, what garbage. Have you ever been to a Protestant church? You would be hard pressed to find a church that does not observe Communion or Baptism.
Yep. What's your point?
Again, what's your point?
Jesus did establish a church that was catholic (i.e universal and united), but he did not call the church catholic. Jesus never used the word. None of the NT writers did. It isn't until you get to Ignatius in the second century that people start describing the church as catholic, and then without any particular relatonship to the Roman episcopate.
I'm assuming you'renot going to argue that because the EAstern Orthodox church is called 'orthodox', that they are therefore the only church with orthodox teaching?
In any case, you're basically arguing my point. The whole church was considered catholic. There is only one church. That one church was established without any specific reference to the Roman papacy, which was one authority among many regional episcopates for centuries, basically until the breakup of the Roman empire and the ecumenical schisms that followed.
The reason the Roman Catholic church retained the name catholic is essentially the same as the reason why the Orthodox church retained the name Orthodox, or why there are Catholic churches that are not in communion with Rome today - the schisms came about because the various bodies had irreconcilable differences in regards mostly to praxis, and each believed itself to be the true authority. They split, but retained names intended to identify themselves as the 'true' church in order to sustain their authority.
Find me a single church father who argues a point without trying to derive their authority from Scripture. Just one who makes a doctrinal point on the basis of tradition apart from Scriptures. The fact that no one encapsulated the idea as 'sola scriptura' means nothing - what matters is what position did Scripture hold in their teaching, and specifically how did they view Scripture in terms of the succession of apostolic teaching?
Something from Irenaeus that's worth pondering:
Well, this is all wrong. Who's saying we don't need church? What we're saying (and what the Reformers were teaching) is that the church isn't determinative of doctrine - the Scriptures, as the apostolic deposit, are.
As for no sacraments, what garbage. Have you ever been to a Protestant church? You would be hard pressed to find a church that does not observe Communion or Baptism.
Yep. What's your point?
Again, what's your point?
What is your proof that the people you say are Christian are Christian? But even if they were, they were prone to error.
The Bible is the Word of God, Dog. Now if you have some proof that your "church fathers" were infallible and gave out God's pure word, let's see the proof. Otherwise, quoting them proves nothing. My opinion on Iggy is that he was a paranoid megalomaniac.
Not scripture, Dog. What is this Jackson123 business? Last I knew the Rev Jackson had no book in the Bible. What are you doing, pasting Papist propaganda on this site?
Where does the Bible say that? Prove or retract.
He said that the words he spoke were spirit. flesh and blood are literal, but the chewing on them is figurative.
"yea and the bread which I will give is my flesh, for the life of the world."
That refers to Christ's once for all sacrifice on the cross, which cannot be done again. The flesh & blood are literal, the sacrificial body of the Lord Jesus. But the eating of it is figurative. To receive the value of His death on the cross requires only that one trust the Savior.
Believe on the Lord Jesus, and you shall be saved. This is not cannibalism. To pretend to re-sacrifice Christ is idolatry of bread.
63 It is the spirit that giveth life; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I have spoken unto you are spirit, are are life.
1 Corinthians 11
24 and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, “This is my body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of me.” 25 In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me.” 26 For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes.
It is a memorial, not cannibalism.
27 So then, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord. 28 Everyone ought to examine themselves before they eat of the bread and drink from the cup. 29 For those who eat and drink without discerning the body of Christ eat and drink judgment on themselves.
Yes, the Christian must focus on the fact that the bread and grape juice (wine never mentioned in connection) stand for the body & blood of the Lord Jesus.
And BTW, do you drink the grape juice (fermented or not)??? Do they people in your congregation drink anything??? Or are you leaving it out???
The Apostolic Fathers are not a church. The Bible never calls the Apostolic Fathers a church.
There is one Church, composed of all who trust Christ as Savior & thus are Spirit baptized into that One Body.
It does not include those who believe in salvation by works, who dismiss the Savior as a mere chance-giver.
If you have proof, then give it. Saying that history proves somethings is no proof.
Catholic means universal. The Bible knows of only 1 Church, the Body of Christ. No where in the Bible is any denomination called "The Church." Nowhere in the Bible is any Roman sect called "The Church." There is a local church at Rome in the Bible, with no predominance over any other church. It isn't the opinion of human historians that proves things, it is God's Word.
What is your proof that only Peter was given the keys? Where does "only" occur in the text?
What is your proof that keys are symbols of authority in Christ's teaching?
" 52 Woe unto you lawyers! for ye took away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered." Does key mean authority there?
Peter died long ago. So what does Peter have to do with anything? Does Peter look like a pope in Acts 15 & Galatians 2? If Peter did have some special authority, what does that have to do with the office of pope? Does it say that Peter would pass on keys to successors?
Actually in the NT Peter does not look or act like any pope.
There are NO OTHER CHURCHES formed by anyone. There is only 1 Church universal.
The Bible does not use "church" for denomination.
Wrong. Men are unsaved in general, as Romans 1-3 tells us; there is none who does good, no not one. Ye must be born again. Men teach all kinds of things (like you, a man). The question is, what does God teach. There is only 1 Church & it never fell to satan, though there is a big satanic organization centered in Rome making false claims for itself. The Church has always been, even when the papacy was persecuting it. All who trust the Lord Jesus as only & sufficient Savior are part of the Church, always have been, always will be. There have always been real believers. These are the catholics, the true members of the Body of Christ. The Romanists are not catholics, and the title "Roman Catholic Church" is an oxymoron.
Again you use non-Bible terminology. There is only one Church. No one ever has started any other Church, though modern language uses "church" for denomination.
You continue to err in your vocabulary. Denominations are another subject; they are not churches. And as a matter of fact, no two Romanists believe the same things. All you have to do is go to a library & pull out commentaries by different Romanists on a given Bible passage to find different interpretations. Only in a cult do men approach uniformity of doctrine.
Kepha, why do you waste time going on & on, pontificating without proving a thing from God's Word? We couldn't care less what your opinions are. You have to be as the Lord Jesus, proving things by quoting the Bible with "It is written."
Yes, there is a spiritual gift of teaching in the Bible given to individuals. There are pastor-teachers (Eph 4) -- do I need to quote you the passages on the gift of teaching? Also 1 John says that all believers have an anointing.
1 JOhn 2
5 And this is the promise which he promised us, even the life eternal. 26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that would lead you astray. 27 And as for you, the anointing which ye received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any one teach you; but as his anointing teacheth you concerning all things, and is true, and is no lie, and even as it taught you, ye abide in him.
Moreover, John 10 says that the sheep know the voice of the shepherd.
The Roman organization has shown to the world that it is not the catholic church by its wide-spread child rape. By their fruits you shall know them. The papal organization has little resemblance whatsoever to the catholic (universal) Church of the NT.
Yes, there is a spiritual gift of teaching in the Bible given to individuals. There are pastor-teachers (Eph 4) -- do I need to quote you the passages on the gift of teaching? Also 1 John says that all believers have an anointing.
1 JOhn 2
5 And this is the promise which he promised us, even the life eternal. 26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that would lead you astray. 27 And as for you, the anointing which ye received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any one teach you; but as his anointing teacheth you concerning all things, and is true, and is no lie, and even as it taught you, ye abide in him.
Moreover, John 10 says that the sheep know the voice of the shepherd.
The Roman organization has shown to the world that it is not the catholic church by its wide-spread child rape. By their fruits you shall know them. The papal organization has little resemblance whatsoever to the catholic (universal) Church of the NT.
Following human tradition is condemned by the Lord Jesus. He rebuked the Pharisees for their holding to religious tradition. He never quoted religious tradition to settle arguments; he quoted the scripture.
It is written! See Matthew 4.
I still wait for anyone to bring forth any document besides the Bible, a document readily available to men on earth in general, and prove it is God's Word.
It is written! See Matthew 4.
I still wait for anyone to bring forth any document besides the Bible, a document readily available to men on earth in general, and prove it is God's Word.
Attention Papists:
Tell us what is your source of authority to prove that any of your doctrines are true?
Is it the Bible? Or is it your denomination?
You may not reason in a circle saying:
1) The Bible is true because the RCC says so.
2) The RCC is true because the Bible says so.
That is fallacious proof, reasoning in a circle.
So if you claim that the only reason to know that the Bible is God's Word is because the RCC says so, then you have to establish that the RCC is infallible without resort to quoting the Bible.
So then, how will you prove that the RCC is infallible & utters the very word of God?
And don't tell us it does because you say so or because the RCC says so -- you are again reasoning in a circle.
Tell us what is your source of authority to prove that any of your doctrines are true?
Is it the Bible? Or is it your denomination?
You may not reason in a circle saying:
1) The Bible is true because the RCC says so.
2) The RCC is true because the Bible says so.
That is fallacious proof, reasoning in a circle.
So if you claim that the only reason to know that the Bible is God's Word is because the RCC says so, then you have to establish that the RCC is infallible without resort to quoting the Bible.
So then, how will you prove that the RCC is infallible & utters the very word of God?
And don't tell us it does because you say so or because the RCC says so -- you are again reasoning in a circle.
The Concept of Canon is unscriptural & without proof. It is an erroneous concept.
There seems to be this idea floating around as if no one knew what was God's word until some old geezers with beards & ecclesiastical robes met in the 4th century & made a decision on it. By that reasoning, when the Christians at Corinth got a letter from prophet & apostle Paul, they had to set it on the shelf for 300 years until some ecclesiastical authorities declared what was canonical! But this is nonsense. It is obvious that the recipients of apostolic prophetic letters were responsible to obey them at once & accept them as God's Word. In fact Peter already recognized Paul's letters a scripture.
The truth is that
MY SHEEP HEAR MY VOICE!
The believers had & have an anointing. (2 John 2).
Thus without waiting hundreds of years for cannons to be fired at canary birds,
the sheep knew God's word when they heard it. The Thessalonians are commended by Paul for having received his word as God's word -- there was no 300 year canonization required.
Thus the truth is that the Bible was accepted by the sheep piece by piece as the sheep received it; they didn't need to wait for any ecclesiastical canonization process. The believers in the 7 Churches of Asia Minor who got the Revelation received it at once as God's word -- they didn't need to wait hundreds of years.
So this whole canon idea & the idea that the RCC gave us the Bible, is bogus. The Bible was long finished before this papal cult got established.
Of course there have always been demonic/satanic heretics around disputing the truth, objecting to God's word saying like, "Yea, hath God said . . . .? Ye shall not surely die . . . ."
(Of course there are the bogus cultists who claim that the Bible true, but means like only what the cult says it means. And there is the bogus claim that we should only know what is the scripture because the papal cult says so -- though then they have no way to prove the papal cult, as then they cannot argue from scripture to prove their cult's validity. So it boils down to, we are right because we say so, even if we are universally self-condemned by raping children worldwide!)
There seems to be this idea floating around as if no one knew what was God's word until some old geezers with beards & ecclesiastical robes met in the 4th century & made a decision on it. By that reasoning, when the Christians at Corinth got a letter from prophet & apostle Paul, they had to set it on the shelf for 300 years until some ecclesiastical authorities declared what was canonical! But this is nonsense. It is obvious that the recipients of apostolic prophetic letters were responsible to obey them at once & accept them as God's Word. In fact Peter already recognized Paul's letters a scripture.
The truth is that
MY SHEEP HEAR MY VOICE!
The believers had & have an anointing. (2 John 2).
Thus without waiting hundreds of years for cannons to be fired at canary birds,
the sheep knew God's word when they heard it. The Thessalonians are commended by Paul for having received his word as God's word -- there was no 300 year canonization required.
Thus the truth is that the Bible was accepted by the sheep piece by piece as the sheep received it; they didn't need to wait for any ecclesiastical canonization process. The believers in the 7 Churches of Asia Minor who got the Revelation received it at once as God's word -- they didn't need to wait hundreds of years.
So this whole canon idea & the idea that the RCC gave us the Bible, is bogus. The Bible was long finished before this papal cult got established.
Of course there have always been demonic/satanic heretics around disputing the truth, objecting to God's word saying like, "Yea, hath God said . . . .? Ye shall not surely die . . . ."
(Of course there are the bogus cultists who claim that the Bible true, but means like only what the cult says it means. And there is the bogus claim that we should only know what is the scripture because the papal cult says so -- though then they have no way to prove the papal cult, as then they cannot argue from scripture to prove their cult's validity. So it boils down to, we are right because we say so, even if we are universally self-condemned by raping children worldwide!)
Of course I've read them. How else would I know? I know by rightly dividing the Word of Truth. You sure can't say that about them. The only "fathers" they were was of confusion and ignorance and superstitions and idolatry and necromancy and materialism and on and on that has bloated out into a sprawling infection of religious silliness. They were pathetic in their theologies, look what came of it! A religion of plate glass and man made nonsense praying on the young and fatherless. Every doctrine straight from hell. Fact. Prove it out for yourself. I did. It takes courage and research, but I'm made of that stuff. The fact that you admit not all of them were right is a good start on the path of recognition of that they were not right.
Why would you ask me what I believe when all you do is tell me what I believe and that whatever it is it is wrong because you say so? LOL. The ONLY things I believe is what Jesus has taught me. No one else. Can you say that? NooOOOoo... not that it isn't obvious. What, shall I now forsake Christ and join a false religion/denomination like yours? HahA I don't think so sparky.
I'm sure glad Jesus and His Church is nothing like you.
I'm sure glad Jesus and His Church is nothing like you.
YES I do tell you what you believe, it is very obvious what you believe>> You believe you can find salvation by scriptures ALONE!
Bride there are THOUSANDS of man made churches with this very belief!! "Scriptures ALONE" are all we need!
AND....
And there are the very same THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS of churches claiming to have the "ONLY TRUTH" yet not even two believe the same things!!!!
Bride All from the same bible!!! Proving man CANNOT trust in Scriptures ALONE!!
You have placed the salvation of your soul in a teaching (Scriptures & Faith ALONE saves) that cannot be found in the scriptures!! FACT IS: The teaching of; Scriptures & Faith ALONE saves, first appeared sixteen hundred years AFTER Jesus!
Bride the TEACHING first appeared with Martin Luther!! He rejected the Church so he said; "I don't need no stinking church all I need is the Scriptures and my faith ALONE"! Thus the teaching happened, in truth, the teaching is a MAN MADE TRADITION!!
FACT IS: You have placed your salvation in a TRADITION of man, NOT in Jesus! Jesus left behind a TEACHING CHURCH! His Church has the AUTHORITY of Jesus, his one Church is guided by God the holy Spirit FOREVER!!!
John 14:16
And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever—
You!!! MUST reject John 14:16!! You must believe the Holy Spirit guided the Church Jesus established into error! You must believe Jesus' one CHURCH is no good to say what you say!!!
Bride there are THOUSANDS of man made churches with this very belief!! "Scriptures ALONE" are all we need!
AND....
And there are the very same THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS of churches claiming to have the "ONLY TRUTH" yet not even two believe the same things!!!!
Bride All from the same bible!!! Proving man CANNOT trust in Scriptures ALONE!!
You have placed the salvation of your soul in a teaching (Scriptures & Faith ALONE saves) that cannot be found in the scriptures!! FACT IS: The teaching of; Scriptures & Faith ALONE saves, first appeared sixteen hundred years AFTER Jesus!
Bride the TEACHING first appeared with Martin Luther!! He rejected the Church so he said; "I don't need no stinking church all I need is the Scriptures and my faith ALONE"! Thus the teaching happened, in truth, the teaching is a MAN MADE TRADITION!!
FACT IS: You have placed your salvation in a TRADITION of man, NOT in Jesus! Jesus left behind a TEACHING CHURCH! His Church has the AUTHORITY of Jesus, his one Church is guided by God the holy Spirit FOREVER!!!
John 14:16
And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever—
You!!! MUST reject John 14:16!! You must believe the Holy Spirit guided the Church Jesus established into error! You must believe Jesus' one CHURCH is no good to say what you say!!!
No I do not reject John 14:16 or any other scriptures. I AM filled with the Holy Spirit of Christ Jesus Himself. I AM the Church, I and those of like precious faith. Which most certainly you aren't a part of as you demonstrate in your wicked behavior.
I have been given the keys to death and hell and hades. I lock, I unlock. For upon my confession that JESUS CHRIST IS THE SON OF GOD is revealed to me ONLY from Jesus Himself. That CONFESSION is THE ROCK upon which the Church is built. Not on just Peter. It is built upon EVERYONE who confesses that. This is important for you to learn, if it is at all possible for you to learn anything.
You have no idea what John 14:16 means if you think it is a ridiculous denomination formed out of the Johnny-come-lately RC of Constantine's conversion 300 years after Christ. Your religion is a late comer of death and destruction. It bears little if no resemblance to the True Church of Christ. It only breeds loud mouthed self righteous uneducated clouds without water such as yourself, who seek to make others double the child of hell than themselves. It is disgusting.
And did you not notice my Name is Bride? Do you even know who the Bride is? No of course you don't, but I chose the name because I am the Wife of Christ. You can read about who the Bride is in Scriptures.
No, I did not ever tell you I could find salvation by scriptures alone. Whoever told you that is a liar and false witness. For you to believe that then, and THEN accuse me of it when you have no clue, makes you worse than an infidel.
What I DID say you ignored. You have no qualities of Godliness. You have no wisdom. You have no truth. I have been here less than a week and you perfectly fulfill the things I understand is the works of the enemy. So in the Name of Jesus Christ, back off with your ugly lies, pride and false accusations satan.
I have been given the keys to death and hell and hades. I lock, I unlock. For upon my confession that JESUS CHRIST IS THE SON OF GOD is revealed to me ONLY from Jesus Himself. That CONFESSION is THE ROCK upon which the Church is built. Not on just Peter. It is built upon EVERYONE who confesses that. This is important for you to learn, if it is at all possible for you to learn anything.
You have no idea what John 14:16 means if you think it is a ridiculous denomination formed out of the Johnny-come-lately RC of Constantine's conversion 300 years after Christ. Your religion is a late comer of death and destruction. It bears little if no resemblance to the True Church of Christ. It only breeds loud mouthed self righteous uneducated clouds without water such as yourself, who seek to make others double the child of hell than themselves. It is disgusting.
And did you not notice my Name is Bride? Do you even know who the Bride is? No of course you don't, but I chose the name because I am the Wife of Christ. You can read about who the Bride is in Scriptures.
No, I did not ever tell you I could find salvation by scriptures alone. Whoever told you that is a liar and false witness. For you to believe that then, and THEN accuse me of it when you have no clue, makes you worse than an infidel.
What I DID say you ignored. You have no qualities of Godliness. You have no wisdom. You have no truth. I have been here less than a week and you perfectly fulfill the things I understand is the works of the enemy. So in the Name of Jesus Christ, back off with your ugly lies, pride and false accusations satan.
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seems to me if Paul considered scripture alone more than enough to save timothy. It can save us also. Not sure God would give us an incomplete book. Especially since he spent a few thousand years putting it together.
To me, Anyone who teaches we can learn anything outside of scripture we should run, Since it is clearly said scripture can reproof, rebuke, correct and instruct in the ways of righteousness.
To me, Anyone who teaches we can learn anything outside of scripture we should run, Since it is clearly said scripture can reproof, rebuke, correct and instruct in the ways of righteousness.
Do you believe this institution is the only authority holder to teach God Word?
Emanuela Orlandi Was 'Kidnapped For Vatican Sex Parties,' Claims Father Gabriele Amorth
Posted: 05/22/2012 5:52 pm EDT Updated: 05/24/2012 5:12 pm EDT
The Holy See was directly involved in thedisappearance of 15-year-old Emanuela Orlandi in 1983, according to a contentious accusation by the Catholic Church's leading exorcist. The Rev. Gabriele Amorth claimed that the girl's kidnapping was a "crime of a sexual nature."
"Parties were organized, with a Vatican gendarme acting as the 'recruiter' of the girls," Amorth told La Stampa, according to a translation by The Telegraph. "The network involved diplomatic personnel from a foreign embassy to the Holy See. I believe Emanuela ended up a victim of this circle."
Amorth, who was appointed by Pope John Paul II and has carried out tens of thousands of exorcisms, is no stranger to controversial public statements; according to The Sun, the exorcist has called Harry Potter the "work of the devil," and has claimed "the devil was at work in the Vatican" when discussing the Catholic Church's sex scandals.
Clues to the missing girl's whereabouts had pointed in several directions, including toward a Turkish gunman who attempted to assassinate Pope John Paul II, The Telegraph reports.
On May 14, one rumor led Italian police to exhume the grave of Enrico De Pedis, a member of Rome's Magliana mob who was killed in 1990, the Associated Press reports. A one-time girlfriend previously said De Pedis committed the kidnapping, and an anonymous call to a television show in 2005 suggested clues on Orlandi's fate lay in the dead mobster's tomb in Basilica of Sant’Apollinaire. A set of bones not belonging to De Pedis were found, but the identity of the remains has yet to be released.
The Vatican insists it has done everything in its power to help solve the mystery of the missing girl.
Clarification: This story previously indicated that Amorth has carried out 70,000 exorcisms. We've amended that to say that he claims the number is in the tens of thousands. Several published reports over the last few years have indicated his claims are in that range, but HuffPost has not been able to verify any current
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Emanuela Orlandi Was 'Kidnapped For Vatican Sex Parties,' Claims Father Gabriele Amorth
Posted: 05/22/2012 5:52 pm EDT Updated: 05/24/2012 5:12 pm EDT
The Holy See was directly involved in thedisappearance of 15-year-old Emanuela Orlandi in 1983, according to a contentious accusation by the Catholic Church's leading exorcist. The Rev. Gabriele Amorth claimed that the girl's kidnapping was a "crime of a sexual nature."
"Parties were organized, with a Vatican gendarme acting as the 'recruiter' of the girls," Amorth told La Stampa, according to a translation by The Telegraph. "The network involved diplomatic personnel from a foreign embassy to the Holy See. I believe Emanuela ended up a victim of this circle."
Amorth, who was appointed by Pope John Paul II and has carried out tens of thousands of exorcisms, is no stranger to controversial public statements; according to The Sun, the exorcist has called Harry Potter the "work of the devil," and has claimed "the devil was at work in the Vatican" when discussing the Catholic Church's sex scandals.
Clues to the missing girl's whereabouts had pointed in several directions, including toward a Turkish gunman who attempted to assassinate Pope John Paul II, The Telegraph reports.
On May 14, one rumor led Italian police to exhume the grave of Enrico De Pedis, a member of Rome's Magliana mob who was killed in 1990, the Associated Press reports. A one-time girlfriend previously said De Pedis committed the kidnapping, and an anonymous call to a television show in 2005 suggested clues on Orlandi's fate lay in the dead mobster's tomb in Basilica of Sant’Apollinaire. A set of bones not belonging to De Pedis were found, but the identity of the remains has yet to be released.
The Vatican insists it has done everything in its power to help solve the mystery of the missing girl.
Clarification: This story previously indicated that Amorth has carried out 70,000 exorcisms. We've amended that to say that he claims the number is in the tens of thousands. Several published reports over the last few years have indicated his claims are in that range, but HuffPost has not been able to verify any current
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Sorry if I get worked up here, but I'm new to this forum stuff and new to computers. But I'm not new at too much else hehe, ...except for one thing, and that is the horrid conduct the likes of which I've never seen nor heard before! And to think I came here for some comfortable relaxed fellowship. There is none to be had in this god-forsaken country. But then I read the most bizarre brazen religion pushers masquerading here as "Christians" and I am just shook to the core. I was in a catholic church once for a wedding and remember it being sort of splendorous and gaudy, very unappealing, but really nothing more. I've known many catholics in my life. Probably know even more. But never, ever before now, have I ever been so disgusted with what I have been shown this week by a catholic, that I am nauseas with that experience. I will never look at those buildings or the people in them the same, God help me. Somebody please tell me how to put someone on ignore I read somebody said I could do that, so I don't have to read that stuff? It is weird, it is like an eye magnet and like watching a horror movie how it affects me... am I the only one like this? I really got disturbed. Thank you everyone for the notes you've sent and likes, thank you. One day I'll figure out the friend system 