Clean Animals and Unclean Animals

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hislastwalk

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You probably mean well, even if it is a misguided concern.


Below is the prior part to the verse you posted.
Read through it all and seek understanding.


27Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. 28Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. 29Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also: 30Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.

31Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law


We are conversing not arguing, the Bible is always right, the question remains who is without the true understanding....

We both believe the other to be without understanding.



I love Almighty Yahvah God and Yahshua the Messiah.

I testify what was taught to me by the Holy spirit.

Yahvah God my witness.


Peace be with you.
God bless. Pray for me, as I pray for you. How about that?
 

iamsoandso

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now as for the food supply ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,you will fall on this battle field,,,,,,,,,,,you will starve by the billions,,,,,,,,,one back in the old days mankind farmed and grew their own food,the water they cared for(it was not polluted),,,,,,in that day they if the beast rose up could tell him "go fly a kite",if the system of finances crumbled they (though they had no money) could still garden and grow animals,,,,,,,,,,,,the world of god still would exist,,,,there would still be tomatoes and corn and fish and cows,and milk,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,but you live in another world,,,,,,,,,,,,,, there are no more farms owned by the people,,,,,,,,,,,,, if the stocks crash,,, or if there is and earthquake and then huge tsunami's,,, if an asteroid hits,,,,,,,,,,,,,,any disaster will suffice you see,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,hybrid seed does not reproduce,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,you cannot grow a garden on the balcony of your apartment,,,,,,,,where will you raise chickens in your bathtub???,,,,,,,,,,,,let the stock market crash and what will you all do???????????first all the stores will get emptied,,, all of you will loose your jobs,,,,,,,,,,,they will cut off your lights because you cant pay the bill and then the water,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,you will have no heat because you have no fireplace,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,you will burn your furniture because you have no trees after a few months the ones in the cities will go to the woods to try to hunt animals and after about a year you will not be able to find many deer,,,,,,,,,,,,,,the hogs will be next,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,and then you will be faced with either mass extinction or else you will be faced with forced labor camps set up by the beast,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,you will ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,"bow",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,gmo seed will not bear fruit if you save the seed it has a "suicide gene" instilled into it so it will not reproduce "Monsanto",,,,,,,,,,if you are crafty and you store up canned goods for "the day",,,,,you will be the only one on the block that is not "skinny",,,and after a while the others around you will see "you are not starving" and put it together and come as a mob and "take your food",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,you see there is a reason why the beast is making gmo seed,,,,,,,,and hybrid seed,,,,,, and why they took the farms away from the farmers,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,there is a reason why they wanted the woman to go into the workplace and to forget how to cook from scratch and the men to forget how to hunt and to grow food,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,"you cannot tell then no anymore past that point",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,you cannot say "who cares if your system crumbles and we light fires with your paper money" ,,,,,,,,,,,,,you cannot say "we will grow tomatoes and milk cows and still live",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,you see it makes a difference wether you eat the food god gave you or you let these men play with your food supply,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,its god or the beast,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,if you think there is no difference "you are on the side of the beast",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,and to you who do deep in your hearts believe it makes a difference about the food you eat,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,"you have already fallen on this battlefield as i have said",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
 

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Acts 10 is speaking of meats also. Why would God include all kinds of animals in that great sheet from heaven and then tell Peter to "kill and eat???" What does "kill and eat" have to do with the Gentiles. It is cleary showing that the dietary restrictions were pointing to the Gentiles, but now that Christ has come and made of the two, Jew and Gentile, one new creation, both resstrictions are done away with, the dietary laws and seperation from the Gentiles.
God bless.

Tom
I can see no trace that Acts 10 would speak of "meats also" and that the dietary restrictions were pointing to the gentiles. The figure would rather be the ark of Noah. Peter said that he had "never" eat anything unclean (if Jesus had taught that it was literally OK to eat unclean meats, then he would not have said that).
 

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now as for the food supply ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,you will fall on this battle field,,,,,,,,,,,you will starve by the billions,,,,,,,,,one back in the old days mankind farmed and grew their own food,the water they cared for(it was not polluted),,,,,,in that day they if the beast rose up could tell him "go fly a kite",if the system of finances crumbled they (though they had no money) could still garden and grow animals,,,,,,,,,,,,the world of god still would exist,,,,there would still be tomatoes and corn and fish and cows,and milk,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,but you live in another world,,,,,,,,,,,,,, there are no more farms owned by the people,,,,,,,,,,,,, if the stocks crash,,, or if there is and earthquake and then huge tsunami's,,, if an asteroid hits,,,,,,,,,,,,,,any disaster will suffice you see,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,hybrid seed does not reproduce,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,you cannot grow a garden on the balcony of your apartment,,,,,,,,where will you raise chickens in your bathtub???,,,,,,,,,,,,let the stock market crash and what will you all do???????????first all the stores will get emptied,,, all of you will loose your jobs,,,,,,,,,,,they will cut off your lights because you cant pay the bill and then the water,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,you will have no heat because you have no fireplace,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,you will burn your furniture because you have no trees after a few months the ones in the cities will go to the woods to try to hunt animals and after about a year you will not be able to find many deer,,,,,,,,,,,,,,the hogs will be next,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,and then you will be faced with either mass extinction or else you will be faced with forced labor camps set up by the beast,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,you will ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,"bow",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,gmo seed will not bear fruit if you save the seed it has a "suicide gene" instilled into it so it will not reproduce "Monsanto",,,,,,,,,,if you are crafty and you store up canned goods for "the day",,,,,you will be the only one on the block that is not "skinny",,,and after a while the others around you will see "you are not starving" and put it together and come as a mob and "take your food",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,you see there is a reason why the beast is making gmo seed,,,,,,,,and hybrid seed,,,,,, and why they took the farms away from the farmers,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,there is a reason why they wanted the woman to go into the workplace and to forget how to cook from scratch and the men to forget how to hunt and to grow food,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,"you cannot tell then no anymore past that point",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,you cannot say "who cares if your system crumbles and we light fires with your paper money" ,,,,,,,,,,,,,you cannot say "we will grow tomatoes and milk cows and still live",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,you see it makes a difference wether you eat the food god gave you or you let these men play with your food supply,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,its god or the beast,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,if you think there is no difference "you are on the side of the beast",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,and to you who do deep in your hearts believe it makes a difference about the food you eat,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,"you have already fallen on this battlefield as i have said",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Agree that we have all become enslaved to the evil agenda.

That does not mean we knowingly eat what our Yahvah God says is unclean.

One only needs to look on the packaging to see there is much alterations made.



We had it all, and we wanted more and more, this was mans down fall.

All things have come to pass to draw those that love and obey Yahvah God and accept Salvation through Yahshua the Messiah,from those that do not.
 

tribesman

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And BTW, I should add that if anyone is observing these dietary laws because they think it is more healthy, and not because they think God commands it, then there would be nothing wrong with it. But if you think that God is dipleased with anyone who eats anything, then you are doing it, at the least, out of ignorance, but at worse, you are creeping back under law. These restrictions were not given for health, but as illustrations and shadows of real truth.
God bless.

Tom
I think it is not that easy that they are only about health benefits and even less that those who choose to adhere to them might be going "back under law". This would be to simplify the issue. However the question that usually arises when issues like this comes up, i. e. if these regulations are binding on all christians or not, is another question. One I wish not to go into here and now.
 

iamsoandso

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food,,,,,,,the Romans landed their boats at the shores and set them on fire,,they went inland,,,the centurions knew they lived in the country they were invading why?,,,well they burned their boats so their was no way to go back home,,,,,,and those who were invaded,that they were not going to leave,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,so then the Romans salted the fields as they went ,,,,,,,,,,,and then nothing could grow,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,they took all of the food from the ones they were invading,,,,since they salted the fields behind them no one could grow food and attack them from the rear.,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,the enemy could not support or feed an flanking army behind them,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,so they burned all of the farms before them and slaughtered all of the livestock they found,,,,, they moved into the country,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,leaving nothing behind,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,but men like you men who bow,,,,,,,,,,,,,,in Vietnam the u.s. sprayed agent orange a defoliating agent across the jungles,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,no place to hide ,,,no food to be grown,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,general Sherman saw the wisdom of Hannibal in the Carthage war he went from the north and cut the south in half going to the gulf of Mexico,,,,,,,,,he burned every town he raided every farm,,,,,,,,,,,,, the people when he left saw their children crying and said to them ,,,,,,,,no, no when they left they butchered the hogs but they left the heads and the intestines,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,we can make hog head cheese,,,,,,,, and chitlins,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,because that's all that was left after the army went by,,,,,,,,, and they told their children yea its good food "ill show you how to make it",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,so their children didn't starve,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,no one eats guts and heads but the defending army,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,I'm sitting here playing with a bean seed,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,and i give you all of your past history,,,,,,,,,,peoples who did not believe it was coming,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,and i tell you to Lucifer,,,,,"food is the weapon of choice",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,"but you do not believe me",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,you must eat chitlins to hear it,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,and i am in the midst of loving you,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
 

loveme1

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food,,,,,,,the Romans landed their boats at the shores and set them on fire,,they went inland,,,the centurions knew they lived in the country they were invading why?,,,well they burned their boats so their was no way to go back home,,,,,,and those who were invaded,that they were not going to leave,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,so then the Romans salted the fields as they went ,,,,,,,,,,,and then nothing could grow,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,they took all of the food from the ones they were invading,,,,since they salted the fields behind them no one could grow food and attack them from the rear.,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,the enemy could not support or feed an flanking army behind them,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,so they burned all of the farms before them and slaughtered all of the livestock they found,,,,, they moved into the country,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,leaving nothing behind,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,but men like you men who bow,,,,,,,,,,,,,,in Vietnam the u.s. sprayed agent orange a defoliating agent across the jungles,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,no place to hide ,,,no food to be grown,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,general Sherman saw the wisdom of Hannibal in the Carthage war he went from the north and cut the south in half going to the gulf of Mexico,,,,,,,,,he burned every town he raided every farm,,,,,,,,,,,,, the people when he left saw their children crying and said to them ,,,,,,,,no, no when they left they butchered the hogs but they left the heads and the intestines,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,we can make hog head cheese,,,,,,,, and chitlins,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,because that's all that was left after the army went by,,,,,,,,, and they told their children yea its good food "ill show you how to make it",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,so their children didn't starve,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,no one eats guts and heads but the defending army,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,I'm sitting here playing with a bean seed,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,and i give you all of your past history,,,,,,,,,,peoples who did not believe it was coming,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,and i tell you to Lucifer,,,,,"food is the weapon of choice",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,"but you do not believe me",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,you must eat chitlins to hear it,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,and i am in the midst of loving you,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

All things will come to pass, and man will look to his maker Yahvah God, that is why they need to hear of Salvation through Yahshua the Messiah.
 

iamsoandso

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you should ask yourself,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,well if it work so well to use food as a weapon,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,why is there gmos in the us???????,,,,,,,,,,,why did they take the farms away from the people of the u.s.???????????why is the hybrid seed spread all across the u.s.???????????????why is it that they passed senete bill s510 that says we cant grow crops that reproduce?????????????????????,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,why are they using roman war tactics on the American people???????????????????????????????????????????whats going on here?????????????
 

iamsoandso

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yes notice the flags of countries,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,no u.s. flags posting now(i am not mad at you and i know you have no choice in the matter),,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,people of the u.s.,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,but you left off when i spoke of your food supply,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,"your closer than the rest of the earth to this problem",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,"we just spout off quick statements because we are afar off",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,we think it wont happen to us till another day,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,"but you see what i said because it's happening to you today",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,"god be with you,,,,,,,,,,,i will talk to the men of the other countries when they are eating chitlins",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,"godspeed",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
 
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I don’t think scripture says we must adhere to dietary laws. I do because it helps me remember to be clean, spiritually. Other people don’t need that reminder, it would not work for them. Before Christ came, it was needed for protection of the Hebrews, they lived in a land with pagan worship. Our danger comes from the media culture that teaches us principles that are not God’s, we need the HS and God in our hearts and minds to cope with that.

God’s principles are always good ones. If we eat foods that are the best for our bodies we are taking care of the temple that our spirit lives in. I feel that eating only whole grain foods, and foods as close to how the Lord created them before they are “improved” by men is a good thing, it is part of living the best we can to live in harmony with God principles. But scripture points out that first must come that you love the Lord with all your heart, all your soul. That is the most important thing. Out of that comes choice of food.
 

loveme1

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yes notice the flags of countries,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,no u.s. flags posting now(i am not mad at you and i know you have no choice in the matter),,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,people of the u.s.,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,but you left off when i spoke of your food supply,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,"your closer than the rest of the earth to this problem",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,"we just spout off quick statements because we are afar off",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,we think it wont happen to us till another day,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,"but you see what i said because it's happening to you today",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,"god be with you,,,,,,,,,,,i will talk to the men of the other countries when they are eating chitlins",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,"godspeed",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,








Though you speak many riddles, I know from what knowledge your riddles derive from.

Sudden destruction.
 

iamsoandso

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yes but in the meanwhile reading from rev. 6;1-8 ,,,,,,,,,in verse 8 he states sword(armies),, then hunger(food supply),,,,,death(spiritual death seeing he already stated sword),and the beast of the earth (the animals),,,,,,,,,,,if it sounded as riddles(i meant it not that way),,,but god seems pretty clear armies will come across a fourth of the earth and use both force and the "food supply vegetables and meats" as their weapon of choice,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,notice he states "beast of the earth",,,,,,,,of the earth denotes that he is speaking about cows,deer,,birds ect. and not the (beast,,,7 headed beast),,,,
 

lydever91

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Did anyone watch the Gelita- How Gelatin Is Made video yet?
It's an interesting watch.

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bYIow9pc6M[/video]

I hope that you all watch and learn from this video. Who knows what other collagen they could use other than pig... I know I definitely don't want to know and will not knowingly risk the chance again.
 

loveme1

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Did anyone watch the Gelita- How Gelatin Is Made video yet?
It's an interesting watch.

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bYIow9pc6M[/video]

I hope that you all watch and learn from this video. Who knows what other collagen they could use other than pig... I know I definitely don't want to know and will not knowingly risk the chance again.
I have known about gelatin for many years having a vegetarian friend when i was young left me with the knowledge, but what I did not know is just how many foods contain gelatin...
 

lydever91

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I have known about gelatin for many years having a vegetarian friend when i was young left me with the knowledge, but what I did not know is just how many foods contain gelatin...
Even yogurt contains the stuff.
Some yogurt contains "kosher gelatin" as I saw today at the market. The difference is the animal used. It still cannot be harmless, can it?

Marshmallows even contain it. That's one treat I don't want s'more of
 
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I can see no trace that Acts 10 would speak of "meats also" and that the dietary restrictions were pointing to the gentiles. The figure would rather be the ark of Noah. Peter said that he had "never" eat anything unclean (if Jesus had taught that it was literally OK to eat unclean meats, then he would not have said that).
You have to remember that Jesus was not yet crucified and raised when He walked with His disciples, so of course He would not have said to eat unclean foods. He had not yet fulfilled the law by dying for us yet. But when the vision came to peter to kill and eat, Jesus had beed crucified and raised and had fulfilled the law.
We are no longer under the dietary restrictions.
God bless.

Tom
 

loveme1

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Even yogurt contains the stuff.
Some yogurt contains "kosher gelatin" as I saw today at the market. The difference is the animal used. It still cannot be harmless, can it?

Marshmallows even contain it. That's one treat I don't want s'more of
The vegetarian sign is a good way to recognize products without.

You know since I started listening to Yahvah God's dietary advice, I have felt a difference in my body.

Our Yahvah God loves us and knows what is best for us, funny how those in authority do the opposite, like may pork "cheap"......
 

loveme1

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I think it comes down to receiving the dietary law, as either good advice or a "do not eat", is an individual choice we all make.
 
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When God told us about not eating unclean animals it was as a reminder to be holy, not unclean. What we do has a spiritual meaning as well as physical. There is duality in reality.

Paul kept saying that doing physical things meant nothing, it was what was in our hearts. But God points out that what is in our hearts needs to flow into doing. Faith without works is dead. If we follow these dietary rules just because it is the law it is not going to get us anywhere, except perhaps better health. But if we follow them as a result of grace and our faith with understanding of God’s wanting us to be holy and clean in thought word and deed, then we are walking our talk.
 
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I was interested in your post and found it amazing that you listed the swan as clean when both Leviticus 11 and Deuteronomy 14 list it as an unclean bird that we should not eat.