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Satan isn't in hell. Hell is a place of punishment. Satan is not in charge of hell. Satan does not punish people in hell. 'The devil roams around (the earth) like a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour'. The whole idea of satan being in hell tormenting people is a secular take based off misunderstanding. Common in old cartoons. Along with him being all red and carrying a pitchfork.
The devil is able to approach God, but this doesn't mean he resides in heaven.
The devil is able to approach God, but this doesn't mean he resides in heaven.
Well, I was open minded and I checked out the verses and it just doesn't add up, my friend.
First, Luke 10:18 is a prophetic vision of Jesus. For Romans 4:17 says,
Also, Jesus prophecied his death and resurrection and the faling away of the disciples and judas's betrayal. In other words, just as Jesus was able to forgive sins before he went to the cross, Jesus was letting his diciples know that they have power to overcome the devil because Jesus (Who is God) has already seen His victory over Satan being cast down from Heaven in the future during the End Times.
John 12 confirms that Satan's fall is still yet future.
Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out. And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me." (John 12:31-32).
Second, if Satan had been cast down as the accuser of the brethren in Luke 10:18, then why does Jesus tell Peter that Satan desires to sift Peter like wheat in Luke 22:31?
Third, in Revelation 12:12 says that when Satan is cast out he has great wrath because he knows he has but a short time. If this was during Christ's ministry and or after his death and resurrection, I would say that 2000 years + is not a short time. Besides, Revelation 17:10-11 says that he that comes (the Beast) will continue a short space. This short space or short time is confirmed for us when the Jews flee to the mountains (i.e. the wilderness) for 1,260 days (Revelation 12:6) when they see the Abomination of Desolation in the Jewish Temple (i.e. When the Anti-Christ descrates the Temple and declares himself to be God). This is the 3 and a half years (Which is the final half of the 7 Year Tribulation, a.k.a. Jacob's Trouble or the Great Tribulation).
In fact, if you were to re-read Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28 where it talks about the Fall of Satan, you will notice that the language used to describe his fall (or casting out) from heaven is one that is still yet future. The devil's casting out from heaven takes place during the midpoint of the Tribulation, whereby he will make war with the remnant of the woman's seed (Which are the Tribulation saints who will be beheaded or martyred for Jesus).
First, Luke 10:18 is a prophetic vision of Jesus. For Romans 4:17 says,
"God, ... calleth those things which be not as though they were."
Also, Jesus prophecied his death and resurrection and the faling away of the disciples and judas's betrayal. In other words, just as Jesus was able to forgive sins before he went to the cross, Jesus was letting his diciples know that they have power to overcome the devil because Jesus (Who is God) has already seen His victory over Satan being cast down from Heaven in the future during the End Times.
John 12 confirms that Satan's fall is still yet future.
Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out. And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me." (John 12:31-32).
Second, if Satan had been cast down as the accuser of the brethren in Luke 10:18, then why does Jesus tell Peter that Satan desires to sift Peter like wheat in Luke 22:31?
Third, in Revelation 12:12 says that when Satan is cast out he has great wrath because he knows he has but a short time. If this was during Christ's ministry and or after his death and resurrection, I would say that 2000 years + is not a short time. Besides, Revelation 17:10-11 says that he that comes (the Beast) will continue a short space. This short space or short time is confirmed for us when the Jews flee to the mountains (i.e. the wilderness) for 1,260 days (Revelation 12:6) when they see the Abomination of Desolation in the Jewish Temple (i.e. When the Anti-Christ descrates the Temple and declares himself to be God). This is the 3 and a half years (Which is the final half of the 7 Year Tribulation, a.k.a. Jacob's Trouble or the Great Tribulation).
In fact, if you were to re-read Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28 where it talks about the Fall of Satan, you will notice that the language used to describe his fall (or casting out) from heaven is one that is still yet future. The devil's casting out from heaven takes place during the midpoint of the Tribulation, whereby he will make war with the remnant of the woman's seed (Which are the Tribulation saints who will be beheaded or martyred for Jesus).
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I would study this further , what will take place the scriptures teach, is a deception. There will be no beheading and martyrdom. The problem here is, that some things are symbolic. The death that takes place, is of the soul. The spiritual state of the soul is under attack at that time, and its taught in physical terms.
Satan has a short time, yet Christ says for the Elects sake He shorted the days, or " no flesh would be saved ". question: Was Christ about, saving flesh ?
When He returns, will there be any flesh Paul taught ? What does the scriptures state on the body and soul ? Fear not, him who can kill a body, but fear rather if anyone, He who can cause both body and soul to perish .
Remember when they asked Christ, what bad things, had those men done, that they had that tower fall on them ? Christ said, if you dont all repent, you'll all, likewise perish. What did he mean, when he said, perish for not repenting ? Repenting to save the flesh, or the soul ? I think the answer is plane .
That is what Satan is after. Not the body. Knowing that fact then all those scriptures open up , and we see past the way it speaks to see the actual message......
There is only two, that do die, that happens to be the two witnesses specifically. Everyone else, is killed in a spiritual sense if they allow it,.
If you would like to talk further maybe we can somewhere else
Satan has a short time, yet Christ says for the Elects sake He shorted the days, or " no flesh would be saved ". question: Was Christ about, saving flesh ?
When He returns, will there be any flesh Paul taught ? What does the scriptures state on the body and soul ? Fear not, him who can kill a body, but fear rather if anyone, He who can cause both body and soul to perish .
Remember when they asked Christ, what bad things, had those men done, that they had that tower fall on them ? Christ said, if you dont all repent, you'll all, likewise perish. What did he mean, when he said, perish for not repenting ? Repenting to save the flesh, or the soul ? I think the answer is plane .
That is what Satan is after. Not the body. Knowing that fact then all those scriptures open up , and we see past the way it speaks to see the actual message......
There is only two, that do die, that happens to be the two witnesses specifically. Everyone else, is killed in a spiritual sense if they allow it,.
If you would like to talk further maybe we can somewhere else
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So why is there a War in Heaven?
Everything is coming to a close. The End of the World is coming and Satan will no longer have any purpose or function as being an accuser of the brethren anymore. His remaing time in being cast to the Earth will be in playing the role of a destroyer in the last 3 and a half years of the Tribulation (Which is a short time).
Everything is coming to a close. The End of the World is coming and Satan will no longer have any purpose or function as being an accuser of the brethren anymore. His remaing time in being cast to the Earth will be in playing the role of a destroyer in the last 3 and a half years of the Tribulation (Which is a short time).
I spent two months in prayer arranging and re-arranging verses to fit what Scripture says.
Here is my extensive Chronology of Revelation and the Olivet Discourse (with other Scripture):
ECT Chronology of Revelation & the Olivet Discourse, etc. - Theology Online | Christian Forums & More
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Here is my extensive Chronology of Revelation and the Olivet Discourse (with other Scripture):
ECT Chronology of Revelation & the Olivet Discourse, etc. - Theology Online | Christian Forums & More
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I'll close with this. Satan knows full well, that killing the body, kills no one. What he gos about destroying when he gets here, is the soul; for those who allow it; who have not loved the living word of truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. And it is a shame to ignore God's words on this. And that is what the end result is ( Luke 23:30;Revelation 6:16 ) .
That is why they are called, the dead, during the Lord's Day. To cause a Christian, and all the world, to worship himself, in place of the one who can give eternal life, which is the true Christ.
That is why they are called, the dead, during the Lord's Day. To cause a Christian, and all the world, to worship himself, in place of the one who can give eternal life, which is the true Christ.
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So Satan met up with a duplicate of himself in the Lake of Fire?
And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. (Revelation 20:10)
And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. (Revelation 20:10)
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If we think that the war is not already on we are sorely mistaken:
Daniel 10:12-13 Then he said to me, "Fear not, Daniel, for from the first day that you set your mind to understand and humbled yourself before your God, your words have been heard, and I have come because of your words. The prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me twenty-one days; but Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, so I left him there with the prince of the kingdom of Persia and came to make you understand what is to befall your people in the latter days. For the vision is for days yet to come."
Let the Word of God be our guide.
Daniel 10:12-13 Then he said to me, "Fear not, Daniel, for from the first day that you set your mind to understand and humbled yourself before your God, your words have been heard, and I have come because of your words. The prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me twenty-one days; but Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, so I left him there with the prince of the kingdom of Persia and came to make you understand what is to befall your people in the latter days. For the vision is for days yet to come."
Let the Word of God be our guide.
There is a battle that has been going on for centuries between good and evil.
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4enlightment,
the video you posted is a real 'heart-breaker' for sure!
it really shows us how evil men are rapidly changing their
laws to 'violate' the Spiritual Laws of God.
they do this so that they may obey their master of darkness.
it's right in all of our faces, the fruits bare witness, that indeed
we are living in perilous times.
Isaiah says, 'woe unto them who call evil good and good evil'
the elder who has chosen the 'right' thing to do with his life,
is honored of God, but dis-honored in the world.
to my husband and I, he is a bona-a-fide Hero.
this is definitely a cautionary-tale, WARNING us on a small scale
of what is being prepared to be unleashed.
the video you posted is a real 'heart-breaker' for sure!
it really shows us how evil men are rapidly changing their
laws to 'violate' the Spiritual Laws of God.
they do this so that they may obey their master of darkness.
it's right in all of our faces, the fruits bare witness, that indeed
we are living in perilous times.
Isaiah says, 'woe unto them who call evil good and good evil'
the elder who has chosen the 'right' thing to do with his life,
is honored of God, but dis-honored in the world.
to my husband and I, he is a bona-a-fide Hero.
this is definitely a cautionary-tale, WARNING us on a small scale
of what is being prepared to be unleashed.
That is why God had said, " that whom love this world, hates Me". This world is very corrupted with darkness, they may put on the appearances of light, by keeping things hidden in the dark, but like how God had also said, "they honored me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. And so putting on a nice suit and tie and polished shoes might give you the appearance of a child of light, but that doesn't means that they are of the light.
Our destiny is to become a member of the God family.
Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Notice that the creation of man is a twofold creation?
1) in the image of God. We are now in the image of God, verse 27 shows that.
2) We will be in His likeness at the resurrection...
1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
1Co 15:35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
1Co 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
1Co 15:43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
1Co 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
1Jn 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Notice that the creation of man is a twofold creation?
1) in the image of God. We are now in the image of God, verse 27 shows that.
2) We will be in His likeness at the resurrection...
1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
1Co 15:35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
1Co 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
1Co 15:43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
1Co 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
1Jn 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
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It is our human pride that deceives us into believing that we are not servants. Just like the angels, we were [ also ] created to be servants of the Most High God. We serve God or we serve Satan. There is no other option. We are servants whether we believe it or not, like it or not, or whatever else or not...
