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no, Paul is confident because he believes and trusts God.
the Author.
the Finisher.
the One who began the work.
the One who will carry it to completion.
the One who is keeping His part of the bargain.
Paul confident in the flesh?? no way.
For we are the circumcision, who worship by the Spirit of God
and glory in Christ Jesus and put no confidence in the flesh
(Philippians 3:3)
the Author.
the Finisher.
the One who began the work.
the One who will carry it to completion.
the One who is keeping His part of the bargain.
Paul confident in the flesh?? no way.
For we are the circumcision, who worship by the Spirit of God
and glory in Christ Jesus and put no confidence in the flesh
(Philippians 3:3)
seems like you still live after the flesh
Romans 8:12
Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
Romans 8:12
Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
God chose to save all men....not all men will choose to believe God
John 1:6-8King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP]There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
Romans 1:18-21King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP]For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
John 1:6-8King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP]There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
Romans 1:18-21King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP]For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
when God called Abram he responded immediately...don't lie on the man.....everytime God told him to do something he did it...
Hebrews 11:8
By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went
Genesis 12:1
Now the Lord had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:
Hebrews 11:8
By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went
Genesis 12:1
Now the Lord had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:
James says .....
[SUP]14 [/SUP]What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
[SUP]15 [/SUP]If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
[SUP]14 [/SUP]What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
[SUP]15 [/SUP]If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
Why do you think we disagree on man being responsible for his own sins? That is agreed. Man is 100% responsible.
We all deserve hell, because we chose to follow our own sinful desires, and rejected God.
Was Christ's death just a second chance for us to be perfect?
If it was merely a second chance, then we have all failed that too, and according to Hebrews, once salvation is lost it can not be regained because Christ will not be crucified all over again.
What is salvation?
Christ taking RESPONSIBILITY for our sin (for our wrong choice)!
He chose us as individuals to be His Bride, because He loves us.
Man is 100% responsible for their sin. God is 100% responsible for salvation.
Does this make God unjust or unloving? No.
11 Yet, before the twins were born or had done anything good or bad—in order that God’s purpose in election might stand: 12 not by works but by him who calls—she was told, “The older will serve the younger.”[d] 13 Just as it is written: “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”[e]
14 What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! 15 For he says to Moses,
“I will have mercy on whom I have mercy,
and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”[f]
16 It does not, therefore, depend on human desire or effort, but on God’s mercy. 17 For Scripture says to Pharaoh: “I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.”[g] 18 Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.
19 One of you will say to me: “Then why does God still blame us? For who is able to resist his will?” 20 But who are you, a human being, to talk back to God? “Shall what is formed say to the one who formed it, ‘Why did you make me like this?’”[h] 21 Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for special purposes and some for common use?
22 What if God, although choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath—prepared for destruction? 23 What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory— 24 even us, whom he also called
We all deserve hell, because we chose to follow our own sinful desires, and rejected God.
Was Christ's death just a second chance for us to be perfect?
If it was merely a second chance, then we have all failed that too, and according to Hebrews, once salvation is lost it can not be regained because Christ will not be crucified all over again.
What is salvation?
Christ taking RESPONSIBILITY for our sin (for our wrong choice)!
He chose us as individuals to be His Bride, because He loves us.
Man is 100% responsible for their sin. God is 100% responsible for salvation.
Does this make God unjust or unloving? No.
11 Yet, before the twins were born or had done anything good or bad—in order that God’s purpose in election might stand: 12 not by works but by him who calls—she was told, “The older will serve the younger.”[d] 13 Just as it is written: “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”[e]
14 What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! 15 For he says to Moses,
“I will have mercy on whom I have mercy,
and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”[f]
16 It does not, therefore, depend on human desire or effort, but on God’s mercy. 17 For Scripture says to Pharaoh: “I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.”[g] 18 Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.
19 One of you will say to me: “Then why does God still blame us? For who is able to resist his will?” 20 But who are you, a human being, to talk back to God? “Shall what is formed say to the one who formed it, ‘Why did you make me like this?’”[h] 21 Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for special purposes and some for common use?
22 What if God, although choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath—prepared for destruction? 23 What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory— 24 even us, whom he also called
God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose.29 For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters.30 And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.
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You are suggesting that God created people for the sole purpose of burning in hell. What kind of God is that, why preach the Gospel if it has been preordained who will be saved and who will not. It makes no since, I meant why spend the billions of dollars to preach the Gospel if it is already ordained. Why would Jesus say to the disciples preach the gospel to the ends of the Earth. I meant why?
You are arguing against Paul, not me.
That whole post is a passage of Scripture and nothing more.
We preach the Gospel because we have faith that it will not return void, and because He commanded us to.
Good preachers don't save people. Only God can give faith. We are just harvesters of what is already sown.
That whole post is a passage of Scripture and nothing more.
We preach the Gospel because we have faith that it will not return void, and because He commanded us to.
Good preachers don't save people. Only God can give faith. We are just harvesters of what is already sown.
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How are those two somehow mutually exclusive? How is it that in your mind, "all those who believe will be saved", and "all those who believe are predestined" are somehow contradictory phrases?
The Scriptures are pretty clear that all those who believe were predestined before the Beginning.
Does your Bible version edit out every time it says words like "chosen", "elect", and "predestined"?
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
God seeks us out, and those who He predestined respond to His calling.
We are all responsible for our sin, and all chose to go to Hell because we rebelled against God. A conscious choice. No one is innocent.
Christ takes the responsibility of the elect upon Himself.
The Scriptures are pretty clear that all those who believe were predestined before the Beginning.
Does your Bible version edit out every time it says words like "chosen", "elect", and "predestined"?
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
God seeks us out, and those who He predestined respond to His calling.
We are all responsible for our sin, and all chose to go to Hell because we rebelled against God. A conscious choice. No one is innocent.
Christ takes the responsibility of the elect upon Himself.