JUDGING VS CORRECTION<THE TOLERANCE DOCTRINE

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elf3

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Thanks. Lol fred and I have had this dance before in another post.
Your welcome. I have had that dance before with others. They just like the feeling of spinning in circles and getting dizzy. Best just to watch them spin then try to walk a straight line. :)
 

Hizikyah

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I believe the adversary has made many call instruction in righteousness "judgement"

A "all is accepted" dogma has allowed anyone who speaks for what is right to be viewed as the intolerant bad guy.
 
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Kerry

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What makes us righteous?
 
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elf3

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The blood of Christ!
 
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Kerry

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You have to be like me or go to hell
 

Hizikyah

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1 Corinthians 4:4-5, "For I know nothing by myself; yet by this I am not justified, for He Who judges me is Yahweh! Therefore, judge nothing before the time. Wait until Yahshua comes, Who will bring to light the things hidden in darkness, and will reveal the secret intentions of men's hearts; and then each man will receive praise from Yahweh."
 
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elf3

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You have to be like me or go to hell
Um isn't God the one, or actually Jesus the one who says "no on comes to the Father but through me"?
 

Hizikyah

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You have to be like me or go to hell
Wow, you are teaching that we should be like you?

The Scriptures say we should be like the Messiah. And you called me a false teacher... sad part is your attacks may have led people away from truth.
 
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Jackson123

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Say I teach everybody must pray to Mary, and if anybody refuse, I will kill or persecute them.

If one say to me: "You working for Lucifer."

I will say you judge me, Bible say you not suppose to Judge.
 

Hizikyah

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I believe the adversary has made many call instruction in righteousness "judgement"

A "all is accepted" dogma has allowed anyone who speaks for what is right to be viewed as the intolerant bad guy.
Say I teach everybody must pray to Mary, and if anybody refuse, I will kill or persecute them.

If one say to me: "You working for Lucifer."

I will say you judge me, Bible say you not suppose to Judge.
Great example, as this one is real.

Leviticus 19:17, "You shall not hate your neighbor in your heart. Rebuke your brother or your sister frankly, so you will not share in his or her guilt."

Luke 17:3-4, "So be on your guard! If your brother trespasses against you, rebuke him! But if he repents, forgive him! And if he trespasses against you seven times in one day, and seven times in that day turns to you, and says; I repent; then you must forgive him."

Proverbs 27:5-6, "Open rebuke is better than concealed love. Faithful are the wounds from a friend, but the kisses from an enemy are deceitful."
 
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Ariel82

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Judging and rebuking can be blantantly obvious.... you see someone being abused.. you rebuke the abuser....However if you take it one step further and say they are going to hell...that is judging unless you add the. Gospel of how Christ saved them through his sacrifice on the cross.
If they will but repent and believe...

We must discern good from evil. Then pray and ask God how to best handle the situation. To speak or walk away. ..like others mentioned it depends on if our words would turn them back to God.
 
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kaylagrl

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You have to be like me or go to hell

No,not you have to be like me.You have to be like the Bible. Again that is a tolerance doctrine.We all sin so we cant say sin is wrong.The disciples said sin was wrong,did they sin? Yes. We're to help one another stay on the path.Restore a fallen brother/sister.We are to let people know the way.
 
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kaylagrl

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Say I teach everybody must pray to Mary, and if anybody refuse, I will kill or persecute them.

If one say to me: "You working for Lucifer."

I will say you judge me, Bible say you not suppose to Judge.

Please read the Bible verses in the OP.The Bible says not to judge hypocritically.It does not say we are not to call sin sin.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Yes I agree that God does the inner work and changes us from sinners to saints. But to say sin is wrong is not judging a person.As you said sin has been judged already.For Christians to stand and say "this is wrong" is not judgment as God has judged sin already.I say this because there are some churches that dont teach that homosexuality is wrong,or living together,or drinking to excess {I dont drink myself} and other sins.Some have said to me "well I didn't know that was wrong".So I dont think judging and correction are the same thing.Yes God does the work but we still are salt and light to the world.We should sound the call.
I think you missed my point. And please do nto take me wrong, I am not angry or mad at you. just disagreeing with you

if a person is not saved, and is a homosexual. I am not going to win him to God by judging his sin of homosexuality. If anything, if I try to judge him, I will turn him off. He has no capacity to change anyway, All I have to do is convince him he is a sinner, and thus in need of God. I can do that without offending him.

Now after he gets saved (if he does) God (and I with the help of God) can help to disciple him and help him with this sin and all his other sins.

As for churhces outwardly teaching against personal sin. If there is always alot of unbelievers in that church, I would disagree. to be honest, I doubt there would be many unbelievers in that church,) they should act like Christ, Who did not come to judge, but came to save. It is one thing to discuss sin in a bible study of believing brothers and sisters. but to just teach hellfire and brimestone is not going to win anyone to the Lord (I grew up in a church that did that, and never saw growth, just steady decline. a church that does not replacate will be a failing church)
 
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eternally-gratefull

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#36
You have to be like me or go to hell
lol. The sad point, if your like any human being, even the most righteous hum (apart from Christ) who ever lived,

that is exactly where you would go. because you would not be worthy.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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No,not you have to be like me.You have to be like the Bible. Again that is a tolerance doctrine.We all sin so we cant say sin is wrong.The disciples said sin was wrong,did they sin? Yes. We're to help one another stay on the path.Restore a fallen brother/sister.We are to let people know the way.
I think Kerry was making a statement, People claim you have to be like them or go to hell (the legalists) he was making a statement about his previous post. putting ordinances on the gospel of CHrist. I could be wrong, but that is what I saw
 
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kaylagrl

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I think you missed my point. And please do nto take me wrong, I am not angry or mad at you. just disagreeing with you

if a person is not saved, and is a homosexual. I am not going to win him to God by judging his sin of homosexuality. If anything, if I try to judge him, I will turn him off. He has no capacity to change anyway, All I have to do is convince him he is a sinner, and thus in need of God. I can do that without offending him.

Now after he gets saved (if he does) God (and I with the help of God) can help to disciple him and help him with this sin and all his other sins.

As for churhces outwardly teaching against personal sin. If there is always alot of unbelievers in that church, I would disagree. to be honest, I doubt there would be many unbelievers in that church,) they should act like Christ, Who did not come to judge, but came to save. It is one thing to discuss sin in a bible study of believing brothers and sisters. but to just teach hellfire and brimestone is not going to win anyone to the Lord (I grew up in a church that did that, and never saw growth, just steady decline. a church that does not replacate will be a failing church)

We've agreed on a lot here.One issue wont make us not be forum buddies. :DI do see where you are coming from though.
 
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elf3

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Shoot the way I see it, if we are not to judge others according to Biblical truth then what? Are we to "candy coat" the Word of God to make everyone "feel good"? It would be a complete outright lie for me to tell someone "just do good and God will save you" just to make them feel good. When we speak Biblical truth what are they getting "judged by"? Are we judging them by our own self righteousness or by the Word of God which is truth?
 
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Fruitless deeds is anger, hatred and so on..... You cannot produce any good from these acts, but the only thing you will gain by these acts is enemies. So if I goes up to the Homosexuals and tell them that what they are doing is very nasty in my sight and my children sight, and even in the sight of the Lord, and so how do you think they will feel after being called a dirty nasty being? Do you like being referred as something that is nasty? I noticed that people when they become older, they break out with a bunch of skin tags all over their faces because of not eating the proper foods God had once desire us to eat. But they were raise eating these foods; and so, should we go to the retirement homes and start calling the residence there, that they has been naughty because they has them nasty dark skin tags all over their faces? I wonder how would they feel if someone did that?