Do You Celebrate Christmas?

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Do You Celebrate Christmas?


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Hizikyah

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I don't want to sway anyone on this issue, as I believe it's important to follow conscience. Plus I'm not sure on the day of judgment, God's going to say, "Hey, why didn't you celebrate Christmas?"

But just looking at the objections, Chinese food also has pagan origins strictly speaking. But why does it matter of someone in the past used similar symbols? My thinking is, so what? Why should I care what an ancient pagan did on Dec. 25th? And if symbols they used can also be used to remind me of things of God, why can't I use them too?

Also, why should a christian not have liberty to remember Christ's birth on a specific day of the year (or day of the week for that matter)? Doesn't Romans 14 cover this? Plus, I don't know any christians that claim Christ was actually born on Dec. 25th, so it's not like they're claiming extra biblical knowledge. It's just a date that worked out real well.

I'd just like to know where my non-observant brothers are coming from on this. Grace and Peace.
I have no doubt after reading about king Cyrus and Nebuchadnezzar that Yahweh can use anything or anyone for His purpose.

However the Creator is clear in saying:

Deuteronomy 12:29-30, “...Be careful not to be ensnared into following them by asking about their gods, saying: How did these nations serve their gods? I also will do the same. You must not worship Yahweh your Father in their way..."

Yahchanan (John) 4:24, "Yahweh is a Spirit and those who worship Him must worship Him in Spirit and in truth."

All through the Scriptures people are demonstrated as being in error for "following Yah" as they wish as opposed to what He says.

Revelation 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying: Come out of her, My people, so that you do not partake in her sins, and so that you do not receive of her plagues, For her sins have reached unto heaven, and Yahweh has remembered her iniquities!

We cant partake in this while saying we are doing the right thing, it would be falsehood.

Romans 6:16, "Do you not know that to whom you yield yourselves as servants to obey, his servants you are whom you obey—whether of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to Righteousness?"

About Romans 14, one Paul kept the Feasts;

Acts 18:21, "But bade them farewell, saying; I must by all means keep this Feast (word #G1859) that comes in Yerusalem; but I will return again to you, if Yahweh wills. And he sailed from Ephesus."

Acts 20:16, "For Shaul had decided to sail past Ephesus, so that he would not have to spend time in Asia; for he hurried, so it would be possible for him to celebrate the Day of Pentecost (word#H4005) at Yerusalem."

4005 - pentékosté
pentékosté: fiftieth, Pentecost, the second of the three great Jewish feasts
Original Word: πεντηκοστή, ῆς, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: pentékosté
Phonetic Spelling: (pen-tay-kos-tay')
Short Definition: Pentecost
Definition: Pentecost, a feast of the Jews, the fiftieth day after Passover


In his day the pharisee would threaten death who did not keep "holy" what day they said and how they said, eevn whn the priest Zecharyah brout them Scripture they did not budge, but rather killed him for honoring the Scripture as opposed to celebrating on the day a particular Rabbi had set while in Babylon (physical captivity) SO i think that passage is groosly misunderstood.

Even if my view on that is wrong, I have thoroughly studied, but im open to Scriptural based views, so say it is wrong, I can still not see Romans 14 being a justification to partake in pagan practices especially in the worship to Yah.

Romans 6:16, "Do you not know that to whom you yield yourselves as servants to obey, his servants you are whom you obey—whether of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to Righteousness?"

1 Corinthians 10:21-22, "You cannot drink the cup of Yahweh and the cup of demons; you cannot partake of Yahweh's table and of the table of demons. Do we provoke Yahweh to jealousy? Are we stronger than He?"

Yes paganism is virtually everywhere, but for the honest seeker they do not use that as an excuse to partake in it,m but rather distance themselves from it.

1 Kepha 1:13-21, "Therefore, gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the undeserved pardon that is to be brought to you at the revelation of Yahshua Messiah. As obedient children, do not conform to the former lusts you had when you lived in ignorance; But as He Who called you is holy, so you also become holy in all your conduct; Because it is written Be holy, for I am holy. And if you call on the Father, Who, without respect of persons judges according to each man's work, conduct yourselves throughout the time of your sojourning here in reverence; Knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, such as silver or gold, from your idolatrous way of life handed down to you by tradition from your forefathers; But with the precious blood of Messiah, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot; Who truly was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you; Who through Him we do believe in Yahweh, Who raised Him up from the dead, and gave Him glory; that your faith and hope might be in Yahweh."

1 Yahchanan 2:15-17, "Do not love the world, nor the things that are in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world: the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world passes away, with the lust that is in it; but he who does the will of Yahweh abides forever."

 
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Kerry

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I don't speak Hebrew and I can't see Paul keeping the feast of Pentecost either, especially in Romans 14.. Christmas is not Hebrew word. Therefore Hebrew movement people should celebrate Hanukkah as they Have no need for Jesus ( Greek not Hebrew). The Hebrew would be Emmanuel and not Jesus and the NT was written in Greek and Jesus spoke Aramaic and not Hebrew.

The only thing that Jesus said that we should do was keep communion and as often as we do it, do it in remembrance of Him. Christians took it upon themselves to celebrate the birth of Christ.
 

KohenMatt

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Aside from any historical or pagan arguments, here is a simple observation:

Was Jesus born on the 25th? Almost everyone will say no.
So why do we tell Jesus, "I know you weren't born on this day, but I'm going to celebrate it anyway because that's what tradition says to do."

I'm not so sure Jesus would find that honoring.
 
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Kerry

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I wonder which day Enoch and Elijah celebrates more than others. You know They are not dead. My first assumption and it is an assumption is Easter and the second would be Christmas.
 
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Kerry

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Aside from any historical or pagan arguments, here is a simple observation:

Was Jesus born on the 25th? Almost everyone will say no.
So why do we tell Jesus, "I know you weren't born on this day, but I'm going to celebrate it anyway because that's what tradition says to do."

I'm not so sure Jesus would find that honoring.
Because the early church was under heavy persecution by the law keepers. They knew that if they celebrated on the actual day the would be caught and stoned to death or imprisoned by the law keepers such as Saul.
 

Hizikyah

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I don't speak Hebrew and I can't see Paul keeping the feast of Pentecost either, especially in Romans 14.. Christmas is not Hebrew word. Therefore Hebrew movement people should celebrate Hanukkah as they Have no need for Jesus ( Greek not Hebrew). The Hebrew would be Emmanuel and not Jesus and the NT was written in Greek and Jesus spoke Aramaic and not Hebrew.

The only thing that Jesus said that we should do was keep communion and as often as we do it, do it in remembrance of Him. Christians took it upon themselves to celebrate the birth of Christ.
Im not trying to be mean but really? Do you even read the posts or Scripture for that matter?

Acts 18:21, "But bade them farewell, saying; I must by all means keep this Feast (word #G1859) that comes in Yerusalem; but I will return again to you, if Yahweh wills. And he sailed from Ephesus."

Acts 20:16, "For Shaul had decided to sail past Ephesus, so that he would not have to spend time in Asia; for he hurried, so it would be possible for him to celebrate the Day of Pentecost (word#H4005) at Yerusalem."

4005 - pentékosté
pentékosté: fiftieth, Pentecost, the second of the three great Jewish feasts
Original Word: πεντηκοστή, ῆς, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: pentékosté
Phonetic Spelling: (pen-tay-kos-tay')
Short Definition: Pentecost
Definition: Pentecost, a feast of the Jews, the fiftieth day after Passover


New International Version
Paul had decided to sail past Ephesus to avoid spending time in the province of Asia, for he was in a hurry to reach Jerusalem, if possible, by the day of Pentecost.

New Living Translation
Paul had decided to sail on past Ephesus, for he didn't want to spend any more time in the province of Asia. He was hurrying to get to Jerusalem, if possible, in time for the Festival of Pentecost.

English Standard Version
For Paul had decided to sail past Ephesus, so that he might not have to spend time in Asia, for he was hastening to be at Jerusalem, if possible, on the day of Pentecost.

New American Standard Bible
For Paul had decided to sail past Ephesus so that he would not have to spend time in Asia; for he was hurrying to be in Jerusalem, if possible, on the day of Pentecost.

King James Bible
For Paul had determined to sail by Ephesus, because he would not spend the time in Asia: for he hasted, if it were possible for him, to be at Jerusalem the day of Pentecost.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
For Paul had decided to sail past Ephesus so he would not have to spend time in Asia, because he was hurrying to be in Jerusalem, if possible, for the day of Pentecost.

International Standard Version
Paul had decided to sail past Ephesus to avoid spending time in Asia, as he was in a hurry to get to Jerusalem for the day of Pentecost, if that was possible.

NET Bible
For Paul had decided to sail past Ephesus so as not to spend time in the province of Asia, for he was hurrying to arrive in Jerusalem, if possible, by the day of Pentecost.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
For Paulus was determined to pass by it to Ephesaus, lest he be delayed there because he was hurrying, that if he were able, he would keep the day of Pentecost in Jerusalem.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
Paul had decided to sail past Ephesus to avoid spending time in the province of Asia. He was in a hurry to get to Jerusalem for the day of Pentecost, if that was possible.

Jubilee Bible 2000
For Paul had determined to sail by Ephesus, not to detain himself in Asia, for he hasted to keep the day of Pentecost, if it were possible for him, in Jerusalem.

King James 2000 Bible
For Paul had determined to sail past Ephesus, because he would not spend the time in Asia: for he hastened, if it were possible for him, to be at Jerusalem the day of Pentecost.

American King James Version
For Paul had determined to sail by Ephesus, because he would not spend the time in Asia: for he hurried, if it were possible for him, to be at Jerusalem the day of Pentecost.

American Standard Version
For Paul had determined to sail past Ephesus, that he might not have to spend time in Asia; for he was hastening, if it were possible for him, to be at Jerusalem the day of Pentecost.

Douay-Rheims Bible
For Paul had determined to sail by Ephesus, lest he should be stayed any time in Asia. For he hasted, if it were possible for him, to keep the day of Pentecost at Jerusalem.

Darby Bible Translation
for Paul thought it desirable to sail by Ephesus, so that he might not be made to spend time in Asia; for he hastened, if it was possible for him, to be the day of Pentecost at Jerusalem.

English Revised Version
For Paul had determined to sail past Ephesus, that he might not have to spend time in Asia; for he was hastening, if it were possible for him, to be at Jerusalem the day of Pentecost.

Webster's Bible Translation
For Paul had determined to sail by Ephesus, because he would not spend the time in Asia: for he hasted, if it were possible for him, to be at Jerusalem the day of Pentecost.

Weymouth New Testament
For Paul's plan was to sail past Ephesus, so as not to spend much time in the province of Asia; since he was very desirous of being in Jerusalem, if possible, on the day of the Harvest Festival.

World English Bible
For Paul had determined to sail past Ephesus, that he might not have to spend time in Asia; for he was hastening, if it were possible for him, to be in Jerusalem on the day of Pentecost.

Young's Literal Translation
for Paul decided to sail past Ephesus, that there may not be to him a loss of time in Asia, for he hasted, if it were possible for him, on the day of the Pentecost to be at Jerusalem.

He even took a nazarite vow;

Acts 21:24, "Take them, and be purified with them, and pay their expenses so that they may shave their heads. Then everyone will know that those things they were informed about you (forsaking the Law), were lies, and that you, yourself, walk orderly, and keep the Law."

New International Version
Acts 21:24Take these men, join in their purification rites and pay their expenses, so that they can have their heads shaved. Then everyone will know there is no truth in these reports about you, but that you yourself are living in obedience to the law.


English Standard Version
Acts 21:24take these men and purify yourself along with them and pay their expenses, so that they may shave their heads. Thus all will know that there is nothing in what they have been told about you, but that you yourself also live in observance of the law.

2 peter 3:15-17, "And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability."
 
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kaylagrl

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Aside from any historical or pagan arguments, here is a simple observation:

Was Jesus born on the 25th? Almost everyone will say no.
So why do we tell Jesus, "I know you weren't born on this day, but I'm going to celebrate it anyway because that's what tradition says to do."

I'm not so sure Jesus would find that honoring.

He may have been born on the 25th maybe not.There is evidence that he well could have been.To say Christ would not find it honoring to celebrate his birthday is solely your opinion.
 

Hizikyah

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Because the early church was under heavy persecution by the law keepers. They knew that if they celebrated on the actual day the would be caught and stoned to death or imprisoned by the law keepers such as Saul.
You seem to not know the difference between the Talmud of the pharisees and the Law of Yahweh.

New International Version Mt 23:2-3
"The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach."

King James Bible Mt 23:2-3
"Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not."

Shem Tob's Hebrew Mattithyah
Mattithyah 23:2-3, "The Pharisees and Sages sit upon the seat of Mosheh. Therefore, all that he (Mosheh) says to you, diligently do, but according to thier takanot (reforms) and thier ma'asim (precedents) do not do, because they talk (Torah) but they do not do."


Takanot: reforms or enactments that (falsely) "change or add" to Yahweh's Law.

Ma'asim: acts or deeds that serve as precedents for rabbinic law.

Both Takanot and Ma'asim are laws of the Talmud.

"And he came and dwelt in a city called Nazareth: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophets, He shall be called a Nazarene." Matthew 2:23

"For we have found this man (Paul) a pestilent fellow, and a mover of sedition among all the Jews throughout the world, and a ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes" Acts 24:5

Epiphanius (Fourth century "church father") writes of the ancient Nazarenes: But these sectarians... did not call themselves Christians--but "Nazarenes,”

Jerome (4th Century "church father") described these Nazarenes as those "...who accept Messiah in such a way that they do not cease to observe the old Law." (Jerome; On. Is. 8:14).

"Minæans" apparently Latinized from Hebrew MINIM (singular is MIN) a word which in modern Hebrew means "apostates" but was originally an acronym for a Hebrew phrase meaning "Believers in Yeshua the Nazarene."

Jerome responds saying of the Nazarenes "though believing in Christ, [they] were anathematized by the [church] fathers for this one error, that they mixed up the ceremonies of the law with the gospel of Christ, and professed their faith in that which was new, without letting go what was old."
 
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Kerry

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Im not trying to be mean but really? Do you even read the posts or Scripture for that matter?

Acts 18:21, "But bade them farewell, saying; I must by all means keep this Feast (word #G1859) that comes in Yerusalem; but I will return again to you, if Yahweh wills. And he sailed from Ephesus."

Acts 20:16, "For Shaul had decided to sail past Ephesus, so that he would not have to spend time in Asia; for he hurried, so it would be possible for him to celebrate the Day of Pentecost (word#H4005) at Yerusalem."

4005 - pentékosté
pentékosté: fiftieth, Pentecost, the second of the three great Jewish feasts
Original Word: πεντηκοστή, ῆς, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: pentékosté
Phonetic Spelling: (pen-tay-kos-tay')
Short Definition: Pentecost
Definition: Pentecost, a feast of the Jews, the fiftieth day after Passover


New International Version
Paul had decided to sail past Ephesus to avoid spending time in the province of Asia, for he was in a hurry to reach Jerusalem, if possible, by the day of Pentecost.

New Living Translation
Paul had decided to sail on past Ephesus, for he didn't want to spend any more time in the province of Asia. He was hurrying to get to Jerusalem, if possible, in time for the Festival of Pentecost.

English Standard Version
For Paul had decided to sail past Ephesus, so that he might not have to spend time in Asia, for he was hastening to be at Jerusalem, if possible, on the day of Pentecost.

New American Standard Bible
For Paul had decided to sail past Ephesus so that he would not have to spend time in Asia; for he was hurrying to be in Jerusalem, if possible, on the day of Pentecost.

King James Bible
For Paul had determined to sail by Ephesus, because he would not spend the time in Asia: for he hasted, if it were possible for him, to be at Jerusalem the day of Pentecost.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
For Paul had decided to sail past Ephesus so he would not have to spend time in Asia, because he was hurrying to be in Jerusalem, if possible, for the day of Pentecost.

International Standard Version
Paul had decided to sail past Ephesus to avoid spending time in Asia, as he was in a hurry to get to Jerusalem for the day of Pentecost, if that was possible.

NET Bible
For Paul had decided to sail past Ephesus so as not to spend time in the province of Asia, for he was hurrying to arrive in Jerusalem, if possible, by the day of Pentecost.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
For Paulus was determined to pass by it to Ephesaus, lest he be delayed there because he was hurrying, that if he were able, he would keep the day of Pentecost in Jerusalem.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
Paul had decided to sail past Ephesus to avoid spending time in the province of Asia. He was in a hurry to get to Jerusalem for the day of Pentecost, if that was possible.

Jubilee Bible 2000
For Paul had determined to sail by Ephesus, not to detain himself in Asia, for he hasted to keep the day of Pentecost, if it were possible for him, in Jerusalem.

King James 2000 Bible
For Paul had determined to sail past Ephesus, because he would not spend the time in Asia: for he hastened, if it were possible for him, to be at Jerusalem the day of Pentecost.

American King James Version
For Paul had determined to sail by Ephesus, because he would not spend the time in Asia: for he hurried, if it were possible for him, to be at Jerusalem the day of Pentecost.

American Standard Version
For Paul had determined to sail past Ephesus, that he might not have to spend time in Asia; for he was hastening, if it were possible for him, to be at Jerusalem the day of Pentecost.

Douay-Rheims Bible
For Paul had determined to sail by Ephesus, lest he should be stayed any time in Asia. For he hasted, if it were possible for him, to keep the day of Pentecost at Jerusalem.

Darby Bible Translation
for Paul thought it desirable to sail by Ephesus, so that he might not be made to spend time in Asia; for he hastened, if it was possible for him, to be the day of Pentecost at Jerusalem.

English Revised Version
For Paul had determined to sail past Ephesus, that he might not have to spend time in Asia; for he was hastening, if it were possible for him, to be at Jerusalem the day of Pentecost.

Webster's Bible Translation
For Paul had determined to sail by Ephesus, because he would not spend the time in Asia: for he hasted, if it were possible for him, to be at Jerusalem the day of Pentecost.

Weymouth New Testament
For Paul's plan was to sail past Ephesus, so as not to spend much time in the province of Asia; since he was very desirous of being in Jerusalem, if possible, on the day of the Harvest Festival.

World English Bible
For Paul had determined to sail past Ephesus, that he might not have to spend time in Asia; for he was hastening, if it were possible for him, to be in Jerusalem on the day of Pentecost.

Young's Literal Translation
for Paul decided to sail past Ephesus, that there may not be to him a loss of time in Asia, for he hasted, if it were possible for him, on the day of the Pentecost to be at Jerusalem.

He even took a nazarite vow;

Acts 21:24, "Take them, and be purified with them, and pay their expenses so that they may shave their heads. Then everyone will know that those things they were informed about you (forsaking the Law), were lies, and that you, yourself, walk orderly, and keep the Law."

New International Version
Acts 21:24Take these men, join in their purification rites and pay their expenses, so that they can have their heads shaved. Then everyone will know there is no truth in these reports about you, but that you yourself are living in obedience to the law.


English Standard Version
Acts 21:24take these men and purify yourself along with them and pay their expenses, so that they may shave their heads. Thus all will know that there is nothing in what they have been told about you, but that you yourself also live in observance of the law.

2 peter 3:15-17, "And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability."

Yes but this before Romans 6.7. and 8

When he was trying to live for God by keeping the law and in effect placing his faith in the law, meaning his own works and failed and became captive to the sin nature. Who shall deliver me from this body of sin?

I thank my Lord Jesus Christ.
 

Hizikyah

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Aug 25, 2013
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Yes but this before Romans 6.7. and 8

When he was trying to live for God by keeping the law and in effect placing his faith in the law, meaning his own works and failed and became captive to the sin nature. Who shall deliver me from this body of sin?

I thank my Lord Jesus Christ.
Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"

Romans 8:5-8, "For those who live according to the flesh, set their minds on the things of the flesh; but those who live according to the Spirit, set their minds on the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against; (bitterly opposed to), Yahweh; for it his not subject to the Law of Yahweh, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are of the flesh cannot please Yahweh."
 
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Kerry

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I also like how you picked the Paul and not the other subjects. Look If want to speak Hebrew and it makes you feel good, I really don't care. But, you leading people away from the cross and I care. You may say I have faith in Christ and Him Crucified, but what you are teaching is misleading and is why I speak against it.
 
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Kerry

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Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"

Romans 8:5-8, "For those who live according to the flesh, set their minds on the things of the flesh; but those who live according to the Spirit, set their minds on the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against; (bitterly opposed to), Yahweh; for it his not subject to the Law of Yahweh, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are of the flesh cannot please Yahweh."
Tell me brother, what man kept the law? You cannot even come close to keeping the law without the Holy Spirit working in you to produce good fruit and good fruit is better than law. How doe's one get the Holy Spirit to produce good fruit? by placing faith in Gods ultimate sacrifice, which is the cross. and is why I enjoy celebrating Christmas.
 
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Tintin

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Hiz, I don't dislike you, brother. I dislike many of your posts. There's a difference. I don't even know you as a person but you're very passionate about God and your faith and that's good.
 
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JesusistheChrist

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I don't speak Hebrew and I can't see Paul keeping the feast of Pentecost either, especially in Romans 14.. Christmas is not Hebrew word. Therefore Hebrew movement people should celebrate Hanukkah as they Have no need for Jesus ( Greek not Hebrew). The Hebrew would be Emmanuel and not Jesus and the NT was written in Greek and Jesus spoke Aramaic and not Hebrew.
Hi, Kerry.

I'm not a "Hebrew movement" person, but I know error when I read it. IOW, Jesus did indeed speak Hebrew when He encountered Saul/Paul on the road to Damascus:

Acts chapter 26

[12] Whereupon as I went to Damascus with authority and commission from the chief priests,
[13] At midday, O king, I saw in the way a light from heaven, above the brightness of the sun, shining round about me and them which journeyed with me.
[14] And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
[15] And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest.
[16] But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee;
[17] Delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee,
[18] To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.
 
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Kerry

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Hiz, I don't dislike you, brother. I dislike many of your posts. There's a difference. I don't even know you as a person but you're very passionate about God and your faith and that's good.
Hebrew movement activist. By keeping OT feast and speaking in Hebrew, some how makes you closer to God. In fact it is like becoming a Jewish proselyte, but claiming to be Christian. There faith is placed in works.

Love ya Tin and Merry Christmas.
 
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Kerry

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Hi, Kerry.

I'm not a "Hebrew movement" person, but I know error when I read it. IOW, Jesus did indeed speak Hebrew when He encountered Saul/Paul on the road to Damascus:

Acts chapter 26

[12] Whereupon as I went to Damascus with authority and commission from the chief priests,
[13] At midday, O king, I saw in the way a light from heaven, above the brightness of the sun, shining round about me and them which journeyed with me.
[14] And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
[15] And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest.
[16] But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee;
[17] Delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee,
[18] To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

I didn't say that He could not speak Hebrew. But His everyday language when was in the flesh was Aramaic.
 
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Tintin

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Hebrew movement activist. By keeping OT feast and speaking in Hebrew, some how makes you closer to God. In fact it is like becoming a Jewish proselyte, but claiming to be Christian. There faith is placed in works.

Love ya Tin and Merry Christmas.
I know he loves God the Father, I'm not sure on his views on God the Son though.

Love you too, Kerry. Mary CHRISTmas to you and all your loved ones!
 

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Heb 4:2, "For this message was preached to us, as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not benefit them, because they did not share in the faith of those who obeyed. "

Everything written in the Scripture is there for our learning, we do not want to fall after the same error as in times past right?

Yeremyah 2:8, "The priests did not ask; Where is Yahweh?..The pastors also transgressed against Me.., and walked after things of worthlessness"

If they "did not ask; Where is Yahweh? and "walked after things of worthlessness" we would not want to do the same thing right?

If the Creator doesn't change, and He cared about how He was worshiped and gave Instruction in the past, why is it any different now, IF He doesn't change?

1 Chronicles 15:13, "Because you, the Levites, did not bring it up the first time, Yahweh our Father broke out against us, because we did not inquire of Him about the proper way to carry it."

SO we know the Levites fell into error, and the Levitical priesthood was disbanded... cast out... cut off from Yah... I would not want the same to happen to me or any who follow Yahshua. (and dont even try to justify disobedience because we have mercy, not saying you would but just saying) SO can we learn from that? Or is that verse useless?

And this....

Colossians 2:8, "Beware that no one leads you away like a prize because of philosophy or empty, false statements, according to the traditions of men, after the elements of the world, and not after the Messiah!"


do not get carried away by "traditions of men, after the elements of the world" (TV, movies, video games, sportrs, etc not that those things are bad, but being led away from Messiah because of them is) Now consider Chrsitmas... what were the numbers on that chart 50-70% of parents lie to their children about santa?

Materialisim, lies, pagan roots, distraction from Messiah.

What about don't be friends with the world?

Tintin, I know im not liked here, but really be honest have I spoken anything wrong in this post?

Mattithyah 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away.

1 Yahchanan 2:15-17, "Do not love the world, nor the things that are in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world: the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world passes away, with the lust that is in it; but he who does the will of Yahweh abides forever."
Hiz, I don't dislike you, brother. I dislike many of your posts. There's a difference. I don't even know you as a person but you're very passionate about God and your faith and that's good.
My fault for being vauge, I didn't mean you personally, but seeing as we have crossed paths before I petition you for an answer here; but really be honest have I spoken anything wrong in this post? (above) I ask because I want to know If you agree with those ideas.

I know he loves God the Father, I'm not sure on his views on God the Son though.

Love you too, Kerry. Mary CHRISTmas to you and all your loved ones!
For the record;

Im not perfect, But I want to be what Yahweh wants me to be.

Yahchanan (John) 14:6, "Yahshua proclaimed to him: I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man comes to the Father, except through Me."

Yahchanan (John) 14:23, "Yahshua answered, and said to him: If a man loves Me, he will keep My teachings and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him."

Ezekiyl 48:35 The distance around the city will be eighteen thousand measures; and the name of the city from that day will be:YAHWEH SHAMMAH (Yahweh Is There)

I want to be there.

I love Yahweh.

I love Yahshua.

I take this verse VERY SERIOUSLY;
Deuteronomy 18:18-19, "I will raise up for them a Prophet like you from among their brothers, and I will put My words in His mouth, and He will tell them everything I command Him. Whoever will not listen to My words, which He speaks in My Name, I will judge him for it"

"listen" is word #8085 שָׁמַע
shama` {shaw-mah'}

Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
A primitive root; to hear intelligently (
often with implication of attention, obedience, etc.; causatively to tell, etc.)

Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar) - 1)
to hear, listen to, obey

Yahchanan (John) 8:31, "...If you continue in My doctrine, then you are truly My disciples."

Romans 12:3-5, "For by the unmerited mercy given to me, I say to everyone who is among you: Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought; but rather, think soberly, in accordance as Yahweh has dealt to each one the measure of faith. For as we have many members in one body, and all members do not have the same function, So we, being many, are one body in Messiah: and each one members, one belonging to another."

Ephesians 1:18-21, "Asking, that since the eyes of your understanding have been enlightened, that you may know what is the hope of His calling, and what are the riches of His glory among the saints; And what is the exceeding greatness of His power within us who believe, according to the energy of His mighty power. Which He exerted in the Messiah when He raised Him from the dead, and set Him at His own right hand in the heavens, Far above all principality, power, and might; and those who rule, and above every name that is named, not only in this age, but also in that which is to come."


 
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Silent Night

Silent night, Holy night
All is calm, all is bright
Round yon virgin, mother and child
Holy infant, tender and mild
Sleep in heavenly peace,
Sleep in heavenly peace.

Silent night, Holy night
Son of God, love's pure light
Radiant beams from thy holy face
With the dawn of redeeming grace,
Jesus, Lord at thy birth
Jesus, Lord at thy birth.

Silent night, Holy night
Shepherds quake, at the sight
Glories stream from heaven above
Heavenly, hosts sing Hallelujah.
Christ the Savior is born,
Christ the Savior is born.



O Holy Night




O Holy night, the stars are brightly shining
It is the night of our dear Savior's birth
Long lay the world in sin and error pining
'Til He appeared and the soul felt its worth
A thrill of hope the weary world rejoices

For yonder breaks a new and glorious morn
Fall on your knees

O hear the angel voices
O night divine!
O night when Christ was born
O night divine!
O night, O night divine!

[Choir:]
Truly He taught us to love one another,
His law is love and His gospel is peace.
Chains He shall break, for the slave is our brother.

And in His name, all oppression shall cease

Sweet hymns of joy in grateful chorus raise we
Let all within us praise His holy name
Christ is the Lord!
Their name forever praise we

Noel, Noel
O night, O night divine
Noel, Noel
O night, O night divine
Noel, Noel
O night, O holy night







O Little Town of Bethlehem

O little town of Bethlehem,
How still we see thee lie.
Above thy deep and dreamless sleep
The silent stars go by;
Yet in thy dark streets shineth
The everlasting Light.
The hopes and fears of all the years
Are met in thee tonight.



For Christ is born of Mary,
And, gathered all above
While mortals sleep, the angels keep
Their watch of wond'ring love.
O morning stars, together
Proclaim the holy birth,
And praises sing to God the King,
And peace to men on earth.

How silently, how silently
The wondrous gift is giv'n!
So God imparts to human hearts
The blessings of his heav'n.
No ear may hear his coming;
But in this world of sin,
Where meek souls will receive him, still
The dear Christ enters in.



Joy To The World

Joy to the world, the Lord is come!
Let earth receive her King;
Let every heart prepare Him room,
And Heaven and nature sing,

And Heaven and nature sing,
And Heaven, and Heaven, and nature sing.

Joy to the world, the Savior reigns!
Let men their songs employ;
While fields and floods, rocks, hills and plains
Repeat the sounding joy,
Repeat the sounding joy,
Repeat, repeat, the sounding joy.

No more let sins and sorrows grow,
Nor thorns infest the ground;
He comes to make His blessings flow

Far as the curse is found,
Far as the curse is found,
Far as, far as, the curse is found.

He rules the world with truth and grace,
And makes the nations prove
The glories of His righteousness,
And wonders of His love,

And wonders of His love,
And wonders, wonders, of His love.



Hark the Herald Angels Sing


Hark the herald angels sing
"Glory to the newborn King!
Peace on earth and mercy mild
God and sinners reconciled"

Joyful, all ye nations rise
Join the triumph of the skies
With the angelic host proclaim:
"Christ is born in Bethlehem"
Hark! The herald angels sing
"Glory to the newborn King!"

Christ by highest heav'n adored
Christ the everlasting Lord!
Late in time behold Him come
Offspring of a Virgin's womb
Veiled in flesh the Godhead see
Hail the incarnate Deity
Pleased as man with man to dwell
Jesus, our Emmanuel

Hark! The herald angels sing
"Glory to the newborn King!"

Hail the heav'n-born Prince of Peace!
Hail the Son of Righteousness!
Light and life to all He brings
Ris'n with healing in His wings
Mild He lays His glory by
Born that man no more may die
Born to raise the sons of earth
Born to give them second birth
Hark! The herald angels sing

"Glory to the newborn King!"




How anyone can call Christmas anti-Christian is so far beyond me I cannot fathom it.Please read the underlined portions of these songs.THIS is what is meant by Christmas. The angels sang!! Do not tell me Christs birth is not cause for celebration! glory to the newborn KING. If you dont shout hallelujah at God and sinners reconciled I just dont know.To say that someone who celebrates Christmas is aligned with pagans and not a true Christian then you havent understood in your heart what the birth of the Christ child really meant to the world.For without his birth there is no cross.And finally the song I learned at my mothers knee,and my gandmothers.It was as a child I learned of Jesus in a simple,easily understandable way because of this song as many children do....




Away in A Manger

Away in a manger,
No crib for His bed
The little Lord Jesus
Laid down His sweet head

The stars in the bright sky
Looked down where He lay
The little Lord Jesus
Asleep on the hay

The cattle are lowing
The poor Baby wakes
But little Lord Jesus
No crying He makes

I love Thee, Lord Jesus
Look down from the sky
And stay by my side,
'Til morning is nigh.

Be near me, Lord Jesus,
I ask Thee to stay
Close by me forever
And love me I pray

Bless all the dear children
In Thy tender care
And take us to heaven
To live with Thee there.




ps. My first post of this locked me out.
 

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