Make him wait! Make him work! Make him sweat!

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IBDesmond

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Hypothetic scenario based on real events:


She sat there cladly dressed.

She had every insecurity on show yet manage to so tightly saturate herself in garments of pride and bravado with an undertone of lies. More than anything she was lying to herself. "I'm so done with men!" she exclaimed. "They're all the same. I'm always here. I'm always in this situation. Why do they all cheat? Why are they never faithful? Why can't I keep them happy?" with every question her tone became more and more timid as she began to well up with tears and unravelling the layers of pride and scorning stubbornness. "What's wrong with me?" The four words that resonated with every woman within earshot.
The tears quickly dried up as began to reclothe herself in pride and selfish-gain as though the cold harsh realities of her situation were beginning to burn her skin like fierce winters night. "I don't get it. In the start they're the sweetest guys ever. They restore my faith in men, only to shatter it again down the line. They have me believing that chivalry isn't dead and I end up falling for them hard but it's all a lie isn't it? It's all a massive game to them. They lie and cheat! Every single one of them! If a guy says he doesn't lie, it's only because HE'S LYING! Well never again!"



Do this sound familiar? Maybe it sounds like you.

I wish I had a remedy...a starter pack....a formulae for discerning whether or not a guy is a liar. A way to tell if down the line he's going to completely change from the guy you fell in love with; he began to lie and cheat, he became abusive, he became aggressive.


I don't think there is a formulae but what I strongly advise is to not "give it up" so quickly. I'm not talking about sex. I'm talking about you. You mannerisms, you personality, your facets, your intricacies etc. Often you can sift out the boys from the men by simply making him wait. Boys throw their toys out of the pram, where as men are patient and diligent.
Don't be so quick to let people get close to you. Make them wait, make them work, make them sweat.





I understand this thread is quite gender specific in its wording.....sorry about that. The roles are easily reversible. So ladies AND gents, what are you ways of making someone wait, making them work, and making them sweat? What scenarios have you found yourself in where you've had to take the reigns and make someone sweat a little bit.
It's so easy to get caught up in infatuation and get carried away in a crush, get twisted up in someones words. What are your tips for taking control and taking charge?
 

Desdichado

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I don't really make someone wait, work, or sweat.

President Reagan had a nice little phrase- "Trust by verify."
 

seoulsearch

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It's always been my policy to be honest and open.

I've had the unpleasant experience of being cheated on by a then-husband, but for some reason, have never transferred that to all men. I guess I see it as, People Have Issues. All of us. I kind of see it as two people trying to measure whether they can deal with each others' issues. To me, it's not about testing someone or holding things back to see if they "deserve" any more of you; it's more about being willing to travel life's road together for a while and seeing who stays with you for the journey. I'm always about the long-term

You might be attracted to someone and addicted to the attention they give you. But are they still going to be there after life throws you some serious curve balls? Will you be there for them? Maybe there is a death or divorce in the family, loss of a job, change of responsibilities... How does that person weather those things with you and you with them?

The only work I require of someone in a friendship or relationship is to "do your fair share". As in, don't make me be the one to put forth all the effort to keep whatever we have going together and I can pretty much roll with whatever comes along.

The hesitation I have with "making someone wait, work, sweat" is that I'm wondering where does one draw the line between "making someone work" and flat-out playing mind games and messing with another person's feelings?

Many men have already been terribly wronged by women and are angry about it. I try my best not to perpetuate the mistreatment of good men and in fact, hopefully try to be a woman of better influence if I can, even if that means standing up to him.
 
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I wish I had a remedy...a starter pack....a formulae for discerning whether or not a guy is a liar. ......

as always, go back to (if you ever were there) Torah (Scripture).

God is not a man, that HE should lie......

GOD IS FAITHFUL. GOD IS PERFECT. GOD HONORS HIS WORD EVEN MORE THAN HIS OWN NAME !

.... sad to say, or realistic and joyful? because it 'proves' God's Word is always true,

..... well, remember what God says through Bible - always test everything, all the time, EVEN if an angel or apostle says it.

.... so as to not be deceived, so as to SHOW that our faith is IN GOD, not in man/men. and God says clearly (WHOEVER TRUSTS IN MAN, I(THE CREATOR) CURSE)--- thus all the denominations and groups in confusion....without life or power (having the FORM of religion but (actively,daily)DENYING the POWER (OF JESUS MESSIAH)......

who ya gonna trust? only GOD, YAHWEH, YAHUSHUA, YESHUA, JESUS.... like little children seek Him... completely.

remember His word shows again and again and again, men are NOT TRUSTWORTHY....... albeit you might find s , 3 maybe, 12, maybe 7,000; maybe 144,000 IN THE WHOLE WORLD who have not bent in demon worship (read Revelation, Ezekiel, Genesis, 1 John 1,3,5) ....

that's out of what? over 6 billion !!!! if you ever in you life on earth meet someone trustworthy/faithful/true IT IS A MIRACLE orchestrated by GOD HIMSELF. (and GOD LOVES to bring HIS EKKLESIA all that is needed for LIFE, now on earth and for eternal life as well).....
 

IBDesmond

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Thanks for sharing seoulsearch. Yeh I totally get you.

One thing I get frustrated by is people who don't know how to play hard to get (I use the word play loosely because I too am not into games). The point of playing hard to get is to have a person know "Yes I'm attainable, but it's not going to be easy".

It's like the saying goes, good things come to those who wait and essentially that's what I'm getting at. It's not about mind games or stringing people along or anything like that. It's about knowing your worth.

Everyone is different which is why I really appreciate your input. I don't pretend to know it all and I don't pass my opinions off as gospel. I'm just saying (especially in this modern age of "instant" everything where we crave speed; faster food, faster internet connection, faster cars, faster women -- as the saying goes), a good way to test that someone is serious and not just looking for a quick fix, is to make them wait.


I'm in a situation where I'm being forced to wait. Not so much by the girl but....well...it's a complex situation. I'm very serious about my feeling for this girl but in many ways, this waiting period is serving me well in many ways.
 

Lynx

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This sounds like the first post in the "Single Men It's Time To Step Up" thread. Better be careful or you'll attract... um, a certain person who posted a lot in that thread. :rolleyes:
 

IBDesmond

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This sounds like the first post in the "Single Men It's Time To Step Up" thread. Better be careful or you'll attract... um, a certain person who posted a lot in that thread. :rolleyes:
That thread is so long I decided to stay well clear of it so I have know idea who or what you're referring to. I don't know if you mean that in a good or a bad way haha. Either way, I've got my guard up
 
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MissCris

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If you make a person jump through too many hoops to get to you, they're going to get tired of it at some point and walk away.

Playing hard to get...I dunno, it seems like a good way to end up alone. What's so wrong with being an open, honest person, sincere in your words and intentions, being friends with a person before deciding to date, and accepting that there's always some amount of risk of getting hurt in any kind of relationship?

"Make him work"...that sounds so bad. If two people start out as friends and develop a good relationship as Friends first, there's not all this need for "testing" anybody- you'll already know what that person is like, and whether or not they would be good for you and vice versa. Granted, this really only works if people are also using common sense, and actually recognizing red flags when they see them...

Maybe people who don't want to be single are staying single so long in part because so many of them seem to feel that they're this prize to be won after much game-playing, if the other person does everything according to some crazy rule book.

Why can't people just meet each other, get to know each other, decide they like each other, and ride off into the sunset on a white horse?!
Maybe there aren't enough white horses to go around.
 

IBDesmond

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I suppose it depends how you define waiting. For example, that who friendship thing could be seen as waiting. I mean, if one person is wanting a relationship, and the other wants to be friends first, that could be seen as waiting....I mean, that's what scenario I'm in lol.

As for jumping through hoops, that's not really what I mean. I agree, some people definitely take it too far and do play mind games but that's not what I mean.

If only we lived in a perfect world where things were that simple and that people were upfront from the get go but often people act like their "perfect selves" in the beginning and once familiarity kicks in, they start to loosen up and show their flaws....it's natural.

In the same way God makes us wait for things to test us, I feel it can be necessary to do the same
 

seoulsearch

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Why can't people just meet each other, get to know each other, decide they like each other, and ride off into the sunset on a white horse?! Maybe there aren't enough white horses to go around.
Now THIS would be the ultimate way to meet potential dates... Just work on a farm that raises white horses.
 

JonahLynx

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Both parties in a relationship should be eager to improve themselves for the other person - not because their improvements will help "earn" something, but because they have a desire to fulfill the needs of the partner. At the same time, they should not impose unreasonable standards on the other person. When we encourage each other to improve, we must base it on our desire to see him/her improve rather than to have a more comparable or "lovable" counterpart.

I think waiting is extremely important because it allows a more steady growth (it also reveals motives). But this period should not be spent trying to mold the other person into your own concept of what you want in a relationship. On the other hand, you should not simply "accept" his/her faults as irreparable. If someone is unwilling to improve upon themselves, this will cause problems down the line when the relationship becomes more serious.

I would not want to enter a relationship where I am working to "earn" her. Instead I would want to work to be a more mature/responsible partner and allow the commitments to build from this. IMO, someone who sets a price tag on themselves is missing the point (unless, again, it's in the spirit of encouraging the other person to improve for their own sake).

Just my thoughts from limited experience.
 

IBDesmond

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Both parties in a relationship should be eager to improve themselves for the other person - not because their improvements will help "earn" something, but because they have a desire to fulfill the needs of the partner. At the same time, they should not impose unreasonable standards on the other person. When we encourage each other to improve, we must base it on our desire to see him/her improve rather than to have a more comparable or "lovable" counterpart.

I think waiting is extremely important because it allows a more steady growth (it also reveals motives). But this period should not be spent trying to mold the other person into your own concept of what you want in a relationship. On the other hand, you should not simply "accept" his/her faults as irreparable. If someone is unwilling to improve upon themselves, this will cause problems down the line when the relationship becomes more serious.

I would not want to enter a relationship where I am working to "earn" her. Instead I would want to work to be a more mature/responsible partner and allow the commitments to build from this. IMO, someone who sets a price tag on themselves is missing the point (unless, again, it's in the spirit of encouraging the other person to improve for their own sake).

Just my thoughts from limited experience.

^^^ exactly this!
 
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sunburn

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My dating scenario has dynamics at the moment…at the beginning, I was the one trying to decide whether he was worth my energy and time…he was pursuing….I wasn't making him wait, I was polite and trying to see if he was the one for me...gradually, he grew on me as i realised most of his qualities, that's when he decided to play hard to get…he was too busy…I started falling hard so it was really hard to see him pulling away…so I got all my strength in prayer and backed right off…resisted the urge to run after him to show him how a great catch I am…I looked right off the other direction……eventually I had lost the need to have him in my life…I still like him A LOT but I can survive without him and could potentially cross him out just because of that attitude he had. He came around as if nothing happened... as if I was making mountains out of molehills.
I don't like playing games, I don't like making a guy sweat but somehow, guys respect women better when we can show them we have some backbone...
 

ArtsieSteph

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I think I definitely make the man wait, since I believe in purity before marriage. Work? Hm...probably just work to make him get to know me for me, since my outer exterior is less than could be hoped for. Sweat? Nope. I try to be as modest as possible (without being in a giant wool sweater all the time) and not be a temptation to said gentleman. And if he is gonna date me he needs to be a gentleman in certiain aspects or respect to me, but he can always still be a dude plain and simple XDD
 
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blueorchidjd

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I think hard to get is the really a play on words and is entirely fiction in a sense, sometimes I think its a carnal way of finding a spouse or having that type of mindset.
I say that, because I used to have that type of mentality when it came to dating, I always felt that it was about being pursued and having a man attracted to me, therefore I felt validated. So it was fun, but not reality.

But as I began getting more in depth with the path (That of which is narrow), I have found that my thoughts have wandered less and less in an idolatry-focused mindset, finding the fiction that this person may be the one, and not having that type of affection for God. I'm really beginning to believe that relationships are really God's way of saying, take my son, get to know him as a friend, do not grow attatched romantically, but get to know them as a contender of the faith... I think this is honestly the formula of building your house on the rock when it comes to relationships.
I know that sounds cliché, but it's true, I really believe that the more concerned we are with the will of God, the more probability that if this person is God's pick for you they will be able to handle the heat, and be able to eventually be on that path with you....rather than 'hard to get' being 'attracted', or you know all that fun stuff.
But, it isn't really logical to completely discount that factor either. It's hard to place a square inside of a circular block. And you have to know what your logical checklist is. If you aren't complete with that list or in the place in your life where you are certain about what God is saying about this season in your life, why bring someone else into that confusion? That's confusing.


But yeah. if God says yes to that season of your life, and you are prepared.
Build onto that maturity, that solid foundation, and make it happen my friend.
 
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Fenner

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I understand what everyone who posted is saying. I think when you start a relationship, friendship etc, it's best both parties take it slow.
 

PopClick

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I don't open up all that easily, but it isn't because I'm playing some sort of game or trying to jerk anyone around. I have been reevaluating things lately to see if I'm too closed-off and it's a bad habit, or if it's just the way I am and that's okay.
 
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DCrawshawJr

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I have a question; is it going too fast if after I get to know a person a little, I plainly say, "I want a relationship, and I hope that it ends up being a marriage"? I mean, is it so bad to tell the truth?

Also, if two people obviously want to be married, why do they have to be "just friends" first? Yeah, I understand there's nothing serious in the beginning (Now if that's what you call "just friends" first, OK), but can't both parties be honest about what they want? I'd rather not play emotional poker with someone, having to guess at what cards she's holding. I'd rather come to an emotional agreement with someone, where we are both on the same page.
 
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kenthomas27

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I don't open up all that easily, but it isn't because I'm playing some sort of game or trying to jerk anyone around. I have been reevaluating things lately to see if I'm too closed-off and it's a bad habit, or if it's just the way I am and that's okay.
is this something we can vote on? Do you want me to do a poll?