I am a Baha'i. Like to know understanding of Christians on Luke 3:3-6, Isaiah 40:3-5

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crossnote said:
I took these quotes straight off the Baha'i site itself (see post #60)


"Bahá’u’lláh claimed to be nothing less than a new and independent Messenger from God. His life, work, and influence parallel that of Abraham, Krishna, Moses, Zoroaster, Buddha, Christ, and Muhammad. Bahá’ís view Bahá’u’lláh as the most recent in this succession of divine Messengers.

The essential message of Bahá’u’lláh is that of unity. He taught that there is only one God, that there is only one human race, and that all the world’s religions represent stages in the revelation of God’s will and purpose for humanity. In this day, Bahá’u’lláh said, humanity has collectively come of age. As foretold in all of the world’s scriptures, the time has arrived for the uniting of all peoples into a peaceful and integrated global society. “The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens,”

First of all, notice how 'Jesus' is just one of many. Secondly notice that religions are evolved stages ...of course Baha'i transcending all by uniting all.

A person may be seeking, but while he is seeking you would do him a service by explaining why a system such as Baha'i is false and not defend the error.
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Where is thebesttrees?
 
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crossnote said:
I took these quotes straight off the Baha'i site itself (see post #60)


"Bahá’u’lláh claimed to be nothing less than a new and independent Messenger from God. His life, work, and influence parallel that of Abraham, Krishna, Moses, Zoroaster, Buddha, Christ, and Muhammad. Bahá’ís view Bahá’u’lláh as the most recent in this succession of divine Messengers.

The essential message of Bahá’u’lláh is that of unity. He taught that there is only one God, that there is only one human race, and that all the world’s religions represent stages in the revelation of God’s will and purpose for humanity. In this day, Bahá’u’lláh said, humanity has collectively come of age. As foretold in all of the world’s scriptures, the time has arrived for the uniting of all peoples into a peaceful and integrated global society. “The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens,”

First of all, notice how 'Jesus' is just one of many. Secondly notice that religions are evolved stages ...of course Baha'i transcending all by uniting all.

A person may be seeking, but while he is seeking you would do him a service by explaining why a system such as Baha'i is false and not defend the error.
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The Magis weren't Jews, but they'd believed in the Messiah according from their belief system.And remember, the Hellenistic Jews must of been seeking for the truth in order to sit down and listened. The Queen from the south came looking for the truth as well. Were the people of Nineveh Jews? But God had sent Jonah to them, and they'd listened and believed.
 
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Thank you. I believe I will have to be more specific about what I would like to learn. Here are the verses from Luke 3
3And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins;​
4As it is written in the book of the words of Esaias the prophet, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
5Every valley shall be filled, and every mountain and hill shall be brought low; and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough ways shall be made smooth;
6And all flesh shall see the salvation of God.

Here is my question: what is a Christian's understanding of




  1. WILDERNESS?
  2. MAKE HIS PATHS STRAIGHT?
  3. How was EVERY VALLEY FILLED?
  4. How was EVERY MOUNTAIN AND HILL BROUGHT LOW?
  5. How were THE CROOKED MADE STRAIGHT?
  6. How were THE ROUGH WAYS MADE SMOOTH?
  7. How did ALL FLESH SEE THE SALVATION OF GOD at the time of John the Baptist and Jesus Christ?


Thank you.
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#1 is easy...john the baptist preached his message in the judean and perean wilderness...

#2-6 are all related and have the same answer...when a king was coming along a road...it was the responsibility of people living in the villages along that road to make preparations...including preparing the road...smoothing it by getting rid of rocks and filling in potholes...so that the king would have a comfortable journey with a good road to travel on... these expressions are all references to this practice...exaggerated to hint at the importance of the one coming after john... though nobody literally smoothed out the roads for jesus...or at least not that we know of from history...the purpose of john's ministry was to prepare people's -hearts- for jesus in the same way that roads would have been prepared for a king...

#7 relies on a mistaken assumption...the prophecy doesn't actually say that all flesh will see the salvation of God -in the time of john and jesus-...it just says that it will happen without any timeframe being specified...
 
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Jesus Christ is my Lord and Saviour.
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thebesttrees said:
Dear weakness The reason I put in the title of the thread that I am a Baha'i is to let everyone know that I do not have any hidden agenda. Perhaps it would have been more appropriate to say that I am not a Christian(which is a lie) or simply not have mentioned that I am a Baha'i. This is a forum to discuss the Bible and I only seek to understand the two passages mentioned. I do not have any other intention but to increase my understanding of the Bible. I would sincerely like to stick to the subject at hand. I will message you some references.
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I have a question. You yourself state in your profile information that you are not a Christian. How can you be "not a Christian" and proclaim Jesus to be your Lord and Savior at the same time? And how can you say that it is a lie to say that you are not a Christian and yet you yourself proclaim in your profile that in truth you are not a Christian?

It is rather doubtful that this OP is edifying to anyone. This is a Christian site that is created for the glory of God to bring the lost to the Cross of Christ Jesus and for encouragement & fellowship of the saints in God. For someone to come onto this Christ-centered network and commandeer a page with anything other than an interest in repentance and salvation is sabotage.

For brothers and sisters in Christ Jesus to even entertain on-going obscurities and dialogue about anything other than pointing someone to the Cross of Jesus Christ is not only a waste of precious time but unedifying and inconvenient to the cause of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Plainly, no matter what your interest, you cannot be "not a Christian" and proclaim Jesus is your Lord and Savior. Are you or are you not interested in repenting of your sins and coming to the Cross of Jesus Christ for salvation?
 
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VioletReigns said:
I have a question. You yourself state in your profile information that you are not a Christian. How can you be "not a Christian" and proclaim Jesus to be your Lord and Savior at the same time? And how can you say that it is a lie to say that you are not a Christian and yet you yourself proclaim in your profile that in truth you are not a Christian?

It is rather doubtful that this OP is edifying to anyone. This is a Christian site that is created for the glory of God to bring the lost to the Cross of Christ Jesus and for encouragement & fellowship of the saints in God. For someone to come onto this Christ-centered network and commandeer a page with anything other than an interest in repentance and salvation is sabotage.

For brothers and sisters in Christ Jesus to even entertain on-going obscurities and dialogue about anything other than pointing someone to the Cross of Jesus Christ is not only a waste of precious time but unedifying and inconvenient to the cause of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Plainly, no matter what your interest, you cannot be "not a Christian" and proclaim Jesus is your Lord and Savior. Are you or are you not interested in repenting of your sins and coming to the Cross of Jesus Christ for salvation?
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Hmmmmm. . . . .

Seems like thebesttrees has abandoned the cause. . .

The truth is being clearly revealed.
 
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What struck me the most was how smooth and buttery his words were...which is nice, but soft and kind words are no guarantee a wolf isn't lurking under sheep's clothing.

2 Corinthians 11:14-15
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
 
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crossnote said:
What struck me the most was how smooth and buttery his words were...which is nice, but soft and kind words are no guarantee a wolf isn't lurking under sheep's clothing.

2 Corinthians 11:14-15
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
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Looks like the "American idiom" of hmmmmm. . .is true after all. ;)

He has re-emerged under another name.
 
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4enlightment said:
The Magis weren't Jews, but they'd believed in the Messiah according from their belief system.And remember, the Hellenistic Jews must of been seeking for the truth in order to sit down and listened. The Queen from the south came looking for the truth as well. Were the people of Nineveh Jews? But God had sent Jonah to them, and they'd listened and believed.
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Thank you 4enlightment for the examples cited.
 
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RachelBibleStudent said:
#1 is easy...john the baptist preached his message in the judean and perean wilderness...

#2-6 are all related and have the same answer...when a king was coming along a road...it was the responsibility of people living in the villages along that road to make preparations...including preparing the road...smoothing it by getting rid of rocks and filling in potholes...so that the king would have a comfortable journey with a good road to travel on... these expressions are all references to this practice...exaggerated to hint at the importance of the one coming after john... though nobody literally smoothed out the roads for jesus...or at least not that we know of from history...the purpose of john's ministry was to prepare people's -hearts- for jesus in the same way that roads would have been prepared for a king...

#7 relies on a mistaken assumption...the prophecy doesn't actually say that all flesh will see the salvation of God -in the time of john and jesus-...it just says that it will happen without any timeframe being specified...
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Thank you RachelBibleStudent for the insight. I never thought of these words as "hearts". You make so much sense when you relate to "roads" as "hearts". Thank you!
 
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thebesttrees said:
Thank you RachelBibleStudent for the insight. I never thought of these words as "hearts". You make so much sense when you relate to "roads" as "hearts". Thank you!
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Hmmmmm. . . . .
 
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Hi, thebesttrees.

Again, just read the text:

Luke chapter 3

[3] And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins;
[4] As it is written in the book of the words of Esaias the prophet, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
[5] Every valley shall be filled, and every mountain and hill shall be brought low; and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough ways shall be made smooth;
[6] And all flesh shall see the salvation of God.
[7] Then said he to the multitude that came forth to be baptized of him, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
[8] Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
[9] And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: every tree therefore which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

John clearly warned people "to flee from the wrath TO COME", didn't he? He likewise mentioned that which shall ultimately be "cast into the fire" and this speaks of "the second death" (Revelation 20:11-15) or the lake of fire which is yet FUTURE. Anyhow, John truly was "NOW laying the axe unto the root of the trees" or he truly was "NOW" dealing directly with the sins of the people of his day, but this doesn't change the fact that the ultimate judgment has NOT YET TRANSPIRED.

Hopefully, this helps.
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Thank you JesusistheChrist.

1. Would I be correct to say then there are two "wrath"'s in your understanding?: One which started with John the Baptist and the major one which is to happen at the time of the ultimate judgment.

2. Can you conceive of any punishment more severe than being deprived of the message of Jesus Christ?

Thank you again,
 
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Thank you 'thebesttrees' for coming in here and presenting yourself as a living demonstration of how error can be packaged in kindness.
 
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I'll do my best to answer your questions this evening. In the interim, don't be dissuaded by the un-Christlike comments that you've been receiving from many here. There's nothing wrong with you asking questions. I'll talk to you later...and laugh off any "wrath" from some members here which might come my way for what I just said.
 
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Thank you 'thebesttrees' for coming in here and presenting yourself as a living demonstration of how error can be packaged in kindness.
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Not everything that glitters is gold.

Experienced panhandlers know the difference.
 
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Elin said:
Not everything that glitters is gold.

Experienced panhandlers know the difference.
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This is true in many cases, as you are right you can often see it coming. However, I think you have to wait and see.

Besides thebesttrees has been kind and cordial and just asking questions, not teaching anything.

Folks are more willing to tolerate an open disregard for our Lords apostles along with their own particular brand of heresy spewing with far less of a hassle (or resistence) in our circles.

So in our own way it is like we openly swallow a camel but exert all of our engergies sifting out such a small thing, "the notorious gnat" even in this (and before its even known) or made manifest. Experienced or not, because who really knows? The person could actually be a future brother or sister in Christ Jesus.

While the blatant heretick runs free as a bird to spread more error.

So really? Even I have thought,

Maybe its for thebesttrees own interest and protection that he comes not in, that he might not go from error into error (is all I was thinking).

If you know what I mean?
 
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ISeeYou said:
This is true in many cases, as you are right you can often see it coming. However, I think you have to wait and see.

Besides thebesttrees has been kind and cordial and just asking questions, not teaching anything.

Folks are more willing to tolerate an open disregard for our Lords apostles along with their own particular brand of heresy spewing with far less of a hassle (or resistence) in our circles.

So in our own way it is like we openly swallow a camel but exert all of our engergies sifting out such a small thing, "the notorious gnat" even in this (and before its even known) or made manifest. Experienced or not, because who really knows? The person could actually be a future brother or sister in Christ Jesus.

While the blatant heretick runs free as a bird to spread more error.

So really? Even I have thought,

Maybe its for thebesttrees own interest and protection that he comes not in, that he might not go from error into error (is all I was thinking).

If you know what I mean?
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In total agreement with you.

We'll know when acknowledgement is made that his questions are now answered for him
and he sees no conflict between Lk 3:3-6 and Isa 40.

My purpose is served both whether he does, or does not.
 
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