It's always good to remember to think ... What can we do together for God's glory?

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Jon4TheCross

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Some maybe don't need that reminder, but it never hurts to ask that question to yourself.
 

Hizikyah

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Acts 20:28, "Therefore, be on guard for yourselves and the whole flock over which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to feed the called out ones of Yahweh, which Yahshua has purchased with His own blood."

This is an AMAZING passage that illustrates how we should support each other, put the rock (Messiah and His teachings) under our brothers and sisters and use what strength Yah has given us to hold them up! I do not alway do, but it should be so.

Exodus17:9-15, "And Mosheh said to Yahshua; Choose out some men, and go out to fight the Amalekites. Tomorrow I will stand on the top of the hill with the staff of Yahweh in my hand. So Yahshua did as Mosheh had said to him, and fought with Amalek. And Mosheh, Aaron, and Hur went up to the top of the hill. And as long as Mosheh held up his hands, Israyl was winning, but whenever he lowered his hands, Amalek was winning. But Mosheh's hand became heavy; so they took a stone and put it under him, and he sat on it. Aaron and Hur then supported his hands, one on one side, and the other on the other side; and his hands were steady until the going down of the sun. So Yahshua defeated Amalek and his people with the edge of the sword. Then Yahweh said to Mosheh: Write this on a scroll as a memorial, and rehearse it in the hearing of Yahshua, that I will utterly blot out the remembrance of Amalek from under heaven. And Mosheh built an altar, and called its name; Yahweh Nissi, that is, Yahweh is my Banner, For he said; Hands were lifted up to the throne of Yahweh. Yahweh will be at war against Amalek from generation to generation."

1 Corinthians 12:12-18, "For just as the body is a unity, but yet has many members; and though all its members are many, they are one body: so it is with Messiah. For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body--whether Yahdaim or Greeks, whether slaves or free--and have all been made to drink into one Spirit; For the body is not one member, but many. If the foot should say: Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? And if the aear should say: Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? If the whole body were an eye, where would be the sense of hearing? If the whole were hearing, where would be the sense of smelling? But now Yahweh has set the members, each one of them in the body, as it has pleased Him."
 
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While this is true to some extent....two cannot walk together unless they be agreed....the word of God teaches that ecumenical works will fail and are to be avoided....1st Corinthians 7 covers marriage between a believer and an unbeliever...2nd Corinthians 6 covers WORKING together and is wrongly attributed to marriage.....Christ and Belial, light and darkness, good and evil have nothing in common so.........Someone who teaches Jesus plus anything for salvation and someone who teaches Jesus and grace through faith for salvation have nothing in common and no basis for fellowship and or a joint work!
 
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I can glorify Him if I bear fruit, by following the Lord Jesus:

Joh 15:8 Show that you are my followers by producing much fruit. This will bring honor to my Father.

Joh 15:8 By this my Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit and so prove to be my disciples.
 

Hizikyah

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While this is true to some extent....two cannot walk together unless they be agreed....the word of God teaches that ecumenical works will fail and are to be avoided....1st Corinthians 7 covers marriage between a believer and an unbeliever...2nd Corinthians 6 covers WORKING together and is wrongly attributed to marriage.....Christ and Belial, light and darkness, good and evil have nothing in common so.........Someone who teaches Jesus plus anything for salvation and someone who teaches Jesus and grace through faith for salvation have nothing in common and no basis for fellowship and or a joint work!
I guess I should be cast aside because I fully believe we are supposed to hear and obey aka faith and works.

John 5:24, "Most certainly I tell you, he who hears my word, and believes him who sent me, has eternal life, and doesn't come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life."

John 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."
 

Hizikyah

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I can glorify Him if I bear fruit, by following the Lord Jesus:

Joh 15:8 Show that you are my followers by producing much fruit. This will bring honor to my Father.

Joh 15:8 By this my Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit and so prove to be my disciples.
2 Timothy 2:19, "Nevertheless, the Foundation of Yahweh stands sure, having this seal: Yahweh knows those who are His, because everyone who reverences the Name of Yahweh departs from iniquity."
 
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I guess I should be cast aside because I fully believe we are supposed to hear and obey aka faith and works.

John 5:24, "Most certainly I tell you, he who hears my word, and believes him who sent me, has eternal life, and doesn't come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life."

John 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."
Hiz......come on dude..the concept is simple enough....

Genuine faith alone saves and will produce the works......

The works have nothing to do with the salvation, but are evidences of it......

Galatians 1:6-7 and chapter three covers those who teach saved by faith, but made complete by the works of the flesh.....a gospel of a DIFFERENT kind, no power to save and double cursed....so bro....not real sure what you believe....if you tie works to faith for salvation...I suggest a re-evaluation......
 

Hizikyah

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Hiz......come on dude..the concept is simple enough....

Genuine faith alone saves and will produce the works......

The works have nothing to do with the salvation, but are evidences of it......

Galatians 1:6-7 and chapter three covers those who teach saved by faith, but made complete by the works of the flesh.....a gospel of a DIFFERENT kind, no power to save and double cursed....so bro....not real sure what you believe....if you tie works to faith for salvation...I suggest a re-evaluation......
I believe that of there is no right works there is no Salvation:

Yaaqob 2:26, "For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so the faith without works is dead also."

Works come after faith, faith in Yah crates a change of heart, leads to right works.

It took me many years to change, I believe because I received the "plastic package" by people that were older so when I read I had no real base to defend my beliefs, what I mean is I was told "gospel of John, repeat after me prayer, you free from the Instructions, now go play" where if I would had stuck to Scripture I believe I would have know truth earlier... as a child I used to ask, "Jesus does His commands why dont we do them" I was told by my parents "those are for the Jews" when I read to Isayah 56:1-7, as I was obsessed with the book of Isayah as a child, my heart dropped, I realized every person I have ever talked to and asked about these matters had lied to me, I vowed never to be misled again and the word of Yah would be my guide....

So I agree but why is it, and I do love you brother know I do, I feel we go back, a little, but I feel as soon as I say hey we should do what he says, whammo; "galatians, you so evil!" not saying you do this but I get it so much I think maybe I automatically think that is the objective?

So I apologize brother I have no intention of offending you.
 

Jon4TheCross

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Turning out to be a great thread. I am edified by your replies. Thank you all.
 

Hizikyah

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This is a passage I think we should all read daily, me foremost!

1 Yahchanan (John) 4:11-21, "Beloved, since Yahweh so loved us, we also ought to love one another. No man has seen Yahweh at any time. If we love one another, Yahweh dwells in us, and His love is perfected in us. By this we know that we dwell in Him, and He in us: Because He has given us of His Spirit. And we have seen, and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Savior of the world. Whoever confesses that Yahshua is the Son of Yahweh, Yahweh dwells in him, and he in Yahweh. And we have known and believed the love that Yahweh has for us. Yahweh is love; and he who dwells in love dwells in Yahweh, and Yahweh in him. In this our love is made perfect: That we may have boldness in the day of judgment; because as He is, so are we to become in this world. There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear; for fear has torment. He who fears is not made perfect in love. We love Him, because He first loved us. If anyone says: I love Yahweh, and hates his neighbor, he is a liar; for he who does not love his neighbor whom he has seen, how can he love Yahweh Whom he has not seen? For we have this commandment from Him: That he who loves Yahweh must love his neighbor also."
 

Hizikyah

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A reminder to not focus on material things but rather glorifying the things Yah says and finding joy in them:

Matt 6:19,24, "Do not store up treasures for yourselves upon earth, where moth and rust consume, and where thieves break in and steal. But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust consumes, and where thieves do not break in and steal; For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.No one can be the slave of two owners. For either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be loyal to one and despise the other. You cannot be a servant to both Yah and riches."
 

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While this is true to some extent....two cannot walk together unless they be agreed....
Yes, good point DC.
I'd be great to even see a few on CC sit together for awhile....then.... eventually one day, we will be ready to walk together.:D
 
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I believe that of there is no right works there is no Salvation:

Yaaqob 2:26, "For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so the faith without works is dead also."

Works come after faith, faith in Yah crates a change of heart, leads to right works.

It took me many years to change, I believe because I received the "plastic package" by people that were older so when I read I had no real base to defend my beliefs, what I mean is I was told "gospel of John, repeat after me prayer, you free from the Instructions, now go play" where if I would had stuck to Scripture I believe I would have know truth earlier... as a child I used to ask, "Jesus does His commands why dont we do them" I was told by my parents "those are for the Jews" when I read to Isayah 56:1-7, as I was obsessed with the book of Isayah as a child, my heart dropped, I realized every person I have ever talked to and asked about these matters had lied to me, I vowed never to be misled again and the word of Yah would be my guide....

So I agree but why is it, and I do love you brother know I do, I feel we go back, a little, but I feel as soon as I say hey we should do what he says, whammo; "galatians, you so evil!" not saying you do this but I get it so much I think maybe I automatically think that is the objective?

So I apologize brother I have no intention of offending you.
First of all you did not offend me brother.....I agree that one who is genuinely born again will produce works/fruit......but lest we forget...how many apples hanging on a tree does it require to prove that a tree is an apple tree?

In a house are many vessels...some very honourable and some not so honourable!
 
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How to glorify God together? We can together spread the true Gospel of Christ.

Not some chalkboard gospel but the true indelible ink Gospel of Christ.
 

Hizikyah

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First of all you did not offend me brother.....I agree that one who is genuinely born again will produce works/fruit......but lest we forget...how many apples hanging on a tree does it require to prove that a tree is an apple tree?

In a house are many vessels...some very honourable and some not so honourable!
Romans 12:3-5, "For by the unmerited mercy given to me, I say to everyone who is among you: Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought; but rather, think soberly, in accordance as Yahweh has dealt to each one the measure of faith. For as we have many members in one body, and all members do not have the same function, So we, being many, are one body in Messiah: and each one members, one belonging to another."

Ephesians 6:11-17, "Put on the whole armor of Yahweh, that you may be able to stand against the wiles; (crafty ways, schemes), of the devil. For we wrestle not only against flesh and blood, but also against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual forces of the evil one in the heavens. Therefore, take up the whole armor of Yahweh, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day; and having overcome all, to stand. Stand therefore, having your waist belted with the truth, having put on the breastplate of righteousness, And having shod your feet with the preparation of the message of peace; Above all, taking the shield of the faith, with which you will be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked one. And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of Yahweh."

1 Kepha 1:13-21, "Therefore, gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the undeserved pardon that is to be brought to you at the revelation of Yahshua Messiah. As obedient children, do not conform to the former lusts you had when you lived in ignorance; But as He Who called you is holy, so you also become holy in all your conduct; Because it is written Be holy, for I am holy. And if you call on the Father, Who, without respect of persons judges according to each man's work, conduct yourselves throughout the time of your sojourning here in reverence; Knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, such as silver or gold, from your idolatrous way of life handed down to you by tradition from your forefathers; But with the precious blood of Messiah, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot; Who truly was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you; Who through Him we do believe in Yahweh, Who raised Him up from the dead, and gave Him glory; that your faith and hope might be in Yahweh."
 

Jon4TheCross

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What is a chalkboard gospel? Like a schoolmaster doctrine?
 
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What is a chalkboard gospel? Like a schoolmaster doctrine?
A Chalkboard gospel would be a gospel we can change around to our liking by removing parts we don't like or adding things we want.
 

Jon4TheCross

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Thank you elf3. I did not know that, and actually am pretty sure I havent heard that expression before. Thanks.