50 Shades of Grey is Women's Porn

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So how do you propose you get rid of atheists then, how would you drain the lake?

I'll tell you how you can get rid of atheism and any other religion in one go... Present some evidence. That's all you need to do!

Then the other 66 percent of the worlds population who currently arent chriatian but in your opinion must think the same as you do, might start actually doing that.
 
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So how do you propose you get rid of atheists then, how would you drain the lake?
Doesnt worry me, whether by recieving God of their own accord or else being drained by other means.
I dont do kumbayah

I'll tell you how you can get rid of atheism and any other religion in one go... Present some evidence. That's all you need to do!
What would you accept as evidence?
I suspect anything offered would be subject to the usual dialectic of constantly remaking the definitions in order to define the results.
BTW - you didnt offer anything on the questions I posted apart from 'I dont know'
If that is the standard of answer then I can answer 'I dont know' to any question you ask and that includes asking for evidence, after all it would be the same standard as yours.

Then the other 66 percent of the worlds population who currently arent chriatian but in your opinion must think the same as you do, might start actually doing that.
I couldnt care less what they think, it is the duty of the Christian to offer others a choice - not to forcibly convert them.
People can only convert themselves
 

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I'll tell you how you can get rid of atheism and any other religion in one go... Present some evidence. That's all you need to do!

You should think about it this way, say there is a God who created you, and holds absolute power over you. And He tells you that you have already sinned against Him, and like He said, sin leads to complete and utter destruction. But He tells you that He does in fact love you and desires you, and His will truly is that none of His creations should perish, and out of His love He gives you a way out of death, He comes in the flesh to pay the price for you, as a sign of His eternal promise, believe in His love and He will forgive you and show you the way that you not perish. All you have to do is follow Him. he gives you the guidline for hope. Consider this as true, and think about what you said. With the gift He just gave you, not because you deserve it, but because He loved you. And you are telling Him He must fulfill your demands in order to accept His mercy. There actually are people out there who have experienced Him, people who have seen and can tell you without a doubt He exists. But those people had already opened up to Him and sought Him. You are telling Him He must do what you demand in order to accept the love He offers you out of love alone. Do you really believe He will show you?


Anywho, Christians dont need to get rid of atheists. God has rebels, He has them with both His angels, and with His humans. He is working to find those who will follow Him, and not rebel against Him. He never tasked us to "kill the non believers", He told us to endure this world with faith in Him :p

We are told this world is wicked and rebellious, and, sadly, most of our people will chose earthly things over Him.
 

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What would you accept as evidence?

You dont need to give him evidence. It is his job to seek God on his own, just like you. We dont need to worry about forcing people to believe. It is sad if they dont, but there is nothing you can do, but pray that he one day awakens as well :3

It is entirely pointless to argue about evidence. We have been given all that we need. Keep your heart open to God and He will guide you :3
 
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They are following the disholy trinity of Bael, Moloch and Mammon - celebrity, lifestyle and greed
 

Yeraza_Bats

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celebrity, lifestyle and greed

These things /really/ do keep your attention away from God, more than even Christians know. It gives people a heightened idea of man, like almost makes you see ourselves and the earth as Godly. It is actually almost insane when you actually see it, and leave the deception that its all normal life.
 
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Now let it simply be asked, how is this any different from pornography?...
Porn is porn is porn

(hardware stores profit from the movie coming out, though)
 
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What if this hurts more Christian marriages or splits them up? Couples should at least think about it?
 
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Pardon my ignorance.
I just found out what Bdsm is.. ewww..
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Can you believe that some Christians are promoting this?

God does not like this...
 
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No I didn't read it, but I get an earful on it.

Also, yes Christian Chat is actually the perfect place to discuss this because it's supposed to be a support place against sin for Christians. Actually, Christian Chat is probably the best place besides church to discuss it, because an honest talk against the things of the world is exactly what sinful people need.

Candid speech may be offensive; but it is also the best medicine, and the only type of discussion which Christ supports. All else is lies and sugar-coating.

Christians need to stop being afraid of talking about sex openly, because the devil sure isn't. You wanna let him do all the talking?
Good!

If we were sexless there would not be a need to divorce, to marry another I have liked neither to pay heed those "jokes" I have heard on the streets (or churches)...

 

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Back to 50 Shades of Grey!

Everything I have read says that this is not so much about porn as about abuse. I refuse to read the book, but sadly the book and movie have both made their presence known in my life, over and over.

Here is a good article which pinpoints the problem.

"In my shallow judgment, however, I overlooked several key problems in the text. Although I correctly characterized it as pornographic, I didn’t make the link that so often comes with pornography: the encouragement of violence against women. Upon closer inspection, Fifty Shades of Grey is not just harmless “mommy porn.” it clearly depicts a deeply abusive relationship in which its protagonist suffers emotional and physical violence at the hands of her partner. And, worst of all, it doesn’t seem to realize this.

Amy Bonomi, professor and chairperson of Michigan State University’s Department of Human Development and Family studies, has made some disturbing findings. A thorough 2013 study of the book concludes that “emotional and sexual abuse is pervasive in the novel,” appearing in almost every interaction between the protagonists, Anastasia and Christian. Both exhibit textbook signs of abuse: Christian, the so-called love interest, actively stalks Ana, purchasing her place of work and tracking her whereabouts through an app on her phone (“No place to run. I would find you. I can track your cell phone—remember?”). He controls her behaviors, her food intake, and dictates who she is allowed to spend her time with, isolating her from friends and family. He belittles her, threatens her and blames her. As a consequence, Ana is afraid of making Christian angry, afraid to talk to her friends, and insecure in her own personhood (“He’d probably like to beat seven shades of s*** out of me. The thought is depressing”)."

The Real Abuse at the Heart of 'Fifty Shades of Grey' | RELEVANT Magazine
 
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Then you need to acquaint yourself with the scholarly literature on the topic because the correlation between the two has been proven. This, of course, doesn't mean that every homosexual is a pedophile or visa versa but rather that the correlation between the two behaviors in which homosexuals are also pedophiles is, per capita, statistically far above the mean.

That aside, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to discern that someone who's asserting homosexuality is a moral behavior may be suspect with respect to other immoral behaviors.

Consensual sex can be many things. I remember an ad that once appeared on Ebay (who quickly banned the seller's account) in which a male offered to fly anywhere in the world for a fee and severely beat people up for their sexual gratification, consensually of course. They included an option to murder them for ten times the price. Now that was alarming.


I see no link between homosexuality and paedophilia. Nor do I see a link between writing a trashy sex novel and paedophilia.

The fact that you put consentual sex and horrific abuse in the same box is quite alarming.
 
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Then you need to acquaint yourself with the scholarly literature on the topic because the correlation between the two has been proven. This, of course, doesn't mean that every homosexual is a pedophile or visa versa but rather that the correlation between the two behaviors in which homosexuals are also pedophiles is, per capita, statistically far above the mean.

That aside, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to discern that someone who's asserting homosexuality is a moral behavior may be suspect with respect to other immoral behaviors.

Consensual sex can be many things. I remember an ad that once appeared on Ebay (who quickly banned the seller's account) in which a male offered to fly anywhere in the world for a fee and severely beat people up for their sexual gratification, consensually of course. They included an option to murder them for ten times the price. Now that was alarming.
The statistics for clergy and pedophilia is also above the mean. This doesn't mean gays are more likely to be pedophiles anymore than clergy are, all things being the same. Where are the common variables? Well, clergy are often sexually repressed, as are many gay men. Paedophilia in gay people is more common in countries where being gay is socially unaccepted (eg Southern USA) than it is in places like Central and Western Europe where homoseuxality is less socially repugnant. Being a paedophile is also more common for clergy in places where Roman Catholicism is practiced (Roman Catholic priests are prohibited from marriage) than it is in Evangelical hotspots where clergymen can marry.

So, I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that being gay, in and of itself, means you're more likely to be sexually attracted to children regardless of sociological factors, because there's the very real possibility that, when analyzed in light of other demographics where pedophilia is more of a risk, that there are common variables that might be considered more applicable to the problem.

Correlation, as always, does not imply causation.
 
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Still dont believe theyre coming after your kids?

From....
Middle-Schoolers Given Graphic “50 Shades” Puzzles | Women of Grace

Middle-Schoolers Given Graphic “50 Shades” Puzzles

Posted on February 12, 2015 by SBrinkmann
Officials at the Monessen School District in Pennsylvania are investigating how eighth grade students were given graphic word puzzles that were based on the Fifty Shades of Grey movie.
WTAE is reporting that at least five students at a Westmoreland County middle school were given the puzzles which contained explicit sexual terms.
 
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This is not a good movie for any Christian's walk with the Lord. I hope no Christian group reviews it as something that Christians should see.

It may become a mainstream book or movie in the world, but that does not mean that we should accept it as a mainstream movie for Christians?