How many truly understand this.....
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God gives light to all men. Light sufficient for them to choose between their sin and the eternal righteousness that can be had in Jesus Christ.
Those who choose to reject the light God offers are doomed to eternal darkness. They wander in this life blind to the truth of Gods word and have not the Holy Spirit. Empty clouds with no rain.
God gives sufficient understanding to unsaved men that they can see their need to be saved. God does not desire that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Those who choose to reject the light God offers are doomed to eternal darkness. They wander in this life blind to the truth of Gods word and have not the Holy Spirit. Empty clouds with no rain.
God gives sufficient understanding to unsaved men that they can see their need to be saved. God does not desire that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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seabass is Church of Christ, they do not believe that there is a Spiritual initiation to conversion, or that the Holy Spirit is needed to interpret scripture. Since they do not believe that the Holy Spirit initiates conviction upon non believers, it is safe to say they do not believe in the ministry or the person of the Holy Spirit.
As a result, your debating with him will go no where that includes the Spirit...
As a result, your debating with him will go no where that includes the Spirit...
I understand it, but yet I personally can't give you understanding in it. Notice what Jesus tells Peter here...
Matthew 16:15-17[SUP]15 [/SUP]He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
It's like John said, a man can receive nothing except it be given him from heaven.
Matthew 16:15-17[SUP]15 [/SUP]He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
It's like John said, a man can receive nothing except it be given him from heaven.
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Seems like they are the same
1Cr 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
Jude 1:10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.
2Peter 2:12 But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;
Psalm 49:20 Man that is in honour, and understandeth not, is like the beasts that perish.
1Cr 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
These being made to be taken and destroyed
2Peter 2:12 But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;
Because he said he could not speak unto them as unto spiritual (but as unto carnal) and the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God, same as with divisions also, even as those within needing to exercise oneself (as a babe, yet carnal) unto full age.
1Cr 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
Jude 1:10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.
2Peter 2:12 But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;
Psalm 49:20 Man that is in honour, and understandeth not, is like the beasts that perish.
1Cr 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
These being made to be taken and destroyed
2Peter 2:12 But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;
Because he said he could not speak unto them as unto spiritual (but as unto carnal) and the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God, same as with divisions also, even as those within needing to exercise oneself (as a babe, yet carnal) unto full age.
F
1 Cor 2:14, The natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God; for they are foolishness unto him; neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. Discerned in this verse is interpreted by the Greek as not being able to investigate, interrogate, determine, ask, question, discern, examine, judge, or search anything that is of a spiritual nature. In your comments you are trying to make the natural man have the ability to be responsible for his eternal salvation, but eternal salvation is not attainable by anything that man does, thinks or says. God gets all of the glory, and he does not condone man taking the glory away from him and giving it to themselves. John 10:26, But ye believe not(why?) because ye are not of my sheep(so it is not because they choose not to believe). Believing is a spiritual thing and according to 1 Cor 2:14, the natural will not, and can not, discern spiritual things.
F
I will guess that you know that the "all men" in this verse does not include the natural man before he has been born of the Spirit.. These two words "all men" is used in many other scriptures in the new testament and the general population of this forum will say that it means "all mankind, including the natural man. Do any of the other "all men" scriptures misguide you, or do you still hold to the fact that it does not include the natural man?
T
I don't know, the Lord was chasing me down most of my life and I didn't even know it. LOL (hindsight 20/20) 
Did Jesus chase after the young rich ruler? Did Jesus tell you shake the dust from your feet from those that reject the Gospel or chase them down?
My point is this, plant the seed and move on....someone will water the seed and the Lord will get the increase in his due season...
The word of God is spiritual in nature and origin....the natural man of flesh cannot know, understand and or discern (judge) the word of God unless he has been born of the spirit....even the simplistic message of salvation is beyond the scope of the natural man and is foolish in the eyes of the lost....It takes a divine spark and GIFT of faith from God to process, acknowledge and believe the truth that is set forth by God in his word.....look at the end of the day it is all about God and His Son....
God has dealt to every man a measure of faith (the ability to believe)
Jesus has paid the price for the redemption of humanity
Faith is a spiritual gift
Salvation, justification, sanctification are all based upon the work of Christ
All based upon the will of the Father before the casting down of the world
All accomplished by the power and workings of the Holy Spirit of God
It is all about GOD, By God, For God
ALL GLORY is to be directed at GOD and GOD alone........HE alone is to be lifted up, praised and worshipped!
God has dealt to every man a measure of faith (the ability to believe)
Jesus has paid the price for the redemption of humanity
Faith is a spiritual gift
Salvation, justification, sanctification are all based upon the work of Christ
All based upon the will of the Father before the casting down of the world
All accomplished by the power and workings of the Holy Spirit of God
It is all about GOD, By God, For God
ALL GLORY is to be directed at GOD and GOD alone........HE alone is to be lifted up, praised and worshipped!
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I believe James was just repeating what Jesus taught about asking for the gift of the Holy Spirit in Luke 11:13 "If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?
It is available to all men who ask in faith as James said, but no, not all men receive the Holy Spirit.
It is available to all men who ask in faith as James said, but no, not all men receive the Holy Spirit.