Socialized Healthcare Working Much Better Than the Current US Healthcare System
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I don't think most Americans against Obamacare are actally against public healthcare. They are against Obamacare. For myself, I have to acknowledge that a country full of sick and broken people is, by definition, not a very strong country. Oregon, where I live, used to have one of the best public health programs in the world, but that has been ruined by Obamacare, and now our system is the laughingstock of the country.
Obamacare does several things, though, that undermine the American way of life, which has always been, and I hope will always be, rugged individualism. It is our national heritage, and the very reason why we exist as a nation. It forces Americans to purchase something whether we want it or not, and it forces Americans to pay a penalty for choosing independence. That's anti-American at the very core. It also punishes the American for being American, and pays the illegal for committing a crime while forcing the law complying citizen, the one who should have the rights, to pay for the illegal lawbreaker. These same illegals then come here and commit crimes (please search Google before asking for examples to avoid a link farm from me) and we still have to pay for their healthcare. If they didn't care enough about our laws to obey them coming into the country, they certainly won't care about our laws once they are here.
Second, it creates a death panel which decides whether or not you live or die if you have a critical illness. Look up the details before arguing this point. A woman has already been condemned to death because the death panel deemed her illness "inoperable."
Finally, within the ACA are provisions and descriptions for acceptable forms of public executions, including the guillotine. This is supposed to be a healthcare law, not a public penalty law. Why does that need to be in there?
I wanted a healthcare law that helped people be healthy, not a healthcare law that punished me for being an American, forced me to be responsible for other's lives, punished me for not complying, and set provisions for who gets to live and die, and exactly how they should die. Show me a law that provides healthcare without creating every single one of these problems, and I think people would get behind it.
Obamacare does several things, though, that undermine the American way of life, which has always been, and I hope will always be, rugged individualism. It is our national heritage, and the very reason why we exist as a nation. It forces Americans to purchase something whether we want it or not, and it forces Americans to pay a penalty for choosing independence. That's anti-American at the very core. It also punishes the American for being American, and pays the illegal for committing a crime while forcing the law complying citizen, the one who should have the rights, to pay for the illegal lawbreaker. These same illegals then come here and commit crimes (please search Google before asking for examples to avoid a link farm from me) and we still have to pay for their healthcare. If they didn't care enough about our laws to obey them coming into the country, they certainly won't care about our laws once they are here.
Second, it creates a death panel which decides whether or not you live or die if you have a critical illness. Look up the details before arguing this point. A woman has already been condemned to death because the death panel deemed her illness "inoperable."
Finally, within the ACA are provisions and descriptions for acceptable forms of public executions, including the guillotine. This is supposed to be a healthcare law, not a public penalty law. Why does that need to be in there?
I wanted a healthcare law that helped people be healthy, not a healthcare law that punished me for being an American, forced me to be responsible for other's lives, punished me for not complying, and set provisions for who gets to live and die, and exactly how they should die. Show me a law that provides healthcare without creating every single one of these problems, and I think people would get behind it.
K
Not just that either as jobs are hard to come by, and those who have been out of the job search market here in America would not understand that clearly. But graduating high school or have a high school diploma means pretty much nothing now days unless you work fast food/restaurant. Any warehouse jobs, assembly, or such that pays decent wages to live if you do not have time on the job will not hire you.
The days of on the job training have pretty much disappeared, and if you disagree with this I have a 19 year old son that graduated from school last year. He still does not have a job, I have a sister that has been without a job for 5 months now even though she has put in over 100 applications. Each time I have been between jobs do to let go, or a health reason when it came to getting a job again it took more than 4 months to get one.
I graduated high school and have 12 years experience in warehouse work, 10 of those years at the same company. Yet I have put in applications at over 30 warehouses since then, and have not got a call back or job from any of them. Instead I have worked small assembly, customer service, and pallet building. Most of which was all through temp services that the jobs only lasted a couple of months at the most. Then I had to wait for the next one to come along, wondering if you are going to have a job or not, and a steady paycheck is no way to live. Yet this country forces people to struggle in working this way.
The only reason you consider medicine a commodity to take or leave, while you consider roads, military expenditure, infastructure payments and welfare ''government expenditures'' is because you're used to paying for your healthcare from your own pocket. Your government buys weapons, tarmac, bitumen, gives benefits, writes civil servants' paychecks and a lot more with your taxes. Are you against those too?
She could always go for private healthcare then, and pay like she pays in the US. In the UK, doctors will decide if a tumour is inoperable, but it is extraordinarily lenient. Most times they will attempt operation, unless it is clearly futile (stage three cancer in several organs, the brain, aggressive lymph distribution, extremely high blood counts etc).
No idea -- it shouldn't be.
I suppose it's a matter of weighing up the value. You currently:
Pay more for your healthcare than the citizens of every other state on Earth; have a government spend per capita on healthcare higher than any other developed nation; have millions upon millions with no health insurance; have to pay crazy lawyers fees and spend a long time filling in medicare paperwork if you can't afford treatment; face risk of bankruptcy for not being able to pay your medical bills.
While I currently;
Have free healthcare at the point of contact; pay less taxes relative to my earnings than you do in America; have a government who spend less per person on healthcare than the US, yet whose citizens have wider access, cheaper treatments and substantially better care; pay less per procedure than you do in the US; get free prescription medications and face no financial burden regarding my healthcare.
She could always go for private healthcare then, and pay like she pays in the US. In the UK, doctors will decide if a tumour is inoperable, but it is extraordinarily lenient. Most times they will attempt operation, unless it is clearly futile (stage three cancer in several organs, the brain, aggressive lymph distribution, extremely high blood counts etc).
No idea -- it shouldn't be.
I suppose it's a matter of weighing up the value. You currently:
Pay more for your healthcare than the citizens of every other state on Earth; have a government spend per capita on healthcare higher than any other developed nation; have millions upon millions with no health insurance; have to pay crazy lawyers fees and spend a long time filling in medicare paperwork if you can't afford treatment; face risk of bankruptcy for not being able to pay your medical bills.
While I currently;
Have free healthcare at the point of contact; pay less taxes relative to my earnings than you do in America; have a government who spend less per person on healthcare than the US, yet whose citizens have wider access, cheaper treatments and substantially better care; pay less per procedure than you do in the US; get free prescription medications and face no financial burden regarding my healthcare.
See, this is how people really seem to feel about today's socioeconomics. You're telling me a story I hear all the time, about how difficult it is to get decent, well paying employment. You would probably take any job that came your way just to have some money coming in, and when so many people are in situations like yours, it's not enough for someone to say ''shoulda gone to school'' or ''well the economy is just bad''. You should be paid a decent wage that allows you to live, particularly when you're in a position of having to take the crappiest jobs out there and work yourself stupid just to make ends meet.
Nobody should have to live that way. And it is those who perpetuate our socioeconomic system and it's many injustices that are to blame for it.
Nobody should have to live that way. And it is those who perpetuate our socioeconomic system and it's many injustices that are to blame for it.
Many people confine themselves into a box of their own making, although they are moulded that way by the world around them.
Jobs, jobs, jobs. Is that really the answer?
Cannot find a "job"? If we look around out neighbourhood is there work that needs doing? I would think so.
There is opportunity all around us yet the mentality of "jobs, jobs, jobs" leads people to think that they need to be told what to do in order to receive the purchasing power necessary for their needs.
Jobs, jobs, jobs. Is that really the answer?
Cannot find a "job"? If we look around out neighbourhood is there work that needs doing? I would think so.
There is opportunity all around us yet the mentality of "jobs, jobs, jobs" leads people to think that they need to be told what to do in order to receive the purchasing power necessary for their needs.
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I want to take the time to delve further with you into some of your statements but it does take time away from my work to do so. So it will be piecemeal I'm afraid.
Let's look at this statement, "This is what happens when corporations globalize and society globalizes with them." Stop right there. Yes, that is an explanation for how we got to where we are now. But what you need to understand is that's how we got to where we are now since we changed the way that occurs beginning in the early 1990's.
Previously, the U.S. economy became the largest and most successful in the world through corporations globalizing and our society globalizing with them but in an entirely different manner. Different economic model, different trade paradigm, different regulatory environment, etc...
The U.S. and Western Europe prospered under the IMF, IBRD, and GATT post-WWII along with many other nations in the third world. A mere decade later industrialized countries were rapidly flourishing and modernizing and doing so usually in environments of low deficit spending (by today's standards).
Though it's an aside, I'd like to point out that the U.S. Treasury National Debt Statistics shows that on January 31, 1981 the U.S. national debt was about $934 billion total. Now it's over $18 trillion. In 34 years, it went from less than one trillion to over eighteen trillion dollars.
Go to the Bureau of Labor inflation calculator and type in 934 choosing 1981 and 2015 to see what our national debt would look like today if we had balanced the budget on that date and simply paid the low interest due on it each year since. It would be under two and half trillion dollars. IF ONLY we had a national debt of two trillion dollars.
But we didn't, and in 2014 we paid over $430 billion in interest payments to our creditors who own our national debt right out of the federal budget: Government - Interest Expense on the Debt Outstanding
And that annual interest liability is rapidly increasing every year despite interest rates being low. Imagine if the interest rates rise dramatically pushing up the annual interest liability of the federal budget. When it hits a trillion a year, interest ticks up a bit, and our credit rating is finally normalized by the rating agencies and we cannot simply borrow our way out of it anymore but the annual interest payments are so enormous they literally begin to push social programs out of the federal budget to a large extent what will we do.
Well you already said what you would do: tax the wealthy and the corporations by increasing their tax liabilities via various methods.
But even if you increase tax rates, close every loophole, and track down every offshore account: there's still not enough revenue to make up the difference. And, such activities have many very serious consequences which you have yet to even acknowledge much less demonstrate that you understand.
In addition to lost productivity resulting from decreased incentives, one of them is that large corporations can simply leave and domicile in abroad in other nations. So can wealthy people. When they do that, they no longer have to pay income taxes (and other types of taxes) to the U.S. government because they are no longer U.S. corporations and citizens.
This doesn't mean, of course, that they have no tax liabilities for what they sell in the U.S. or concerns they maintain in the U.S. but it does mean they no longer are responsible for the much higher tax liabilities they presently pay (which would be materially increased by you) as domestic U.S. corporations and U.S. citizens.
Sure, the U.S. can start to implement VATs on foreign goods and services (something the U.S. doesn't presently do but should already be doing) but that net difference is a dramatic loss, not a gain, to government in comparison to what they are presently receiving. Meaning, of course, that you can't just dramatically increase the tax liabilities on the wealthy and large corporations or you lose them and their future revenues.
Managed capitalism, economic reforms... be careful how you manage and what reforms you implement. That's been done so badly since Bush Sr.'s new world order was implemented that our deterioration has progressed to serious and in twenty years will be absolutely critical.
What happened is necessary to qualifying your initial statement because it's both true and false depending on the period of modern U.S. history that you're referencing.
But understand Human that we're finally having a good discussion and seeking commonalities. I'm enjoying our discussion. Peace.
Let's look at this statement, "This is what happens when corporations globalize and society globalizes with them." Stop right there. Yes, that is an explanation for how we got to where we are now. But what you need to understand is that's how we got to where we are now since we changed the way that occurs beginning in the early 1990's.
Previously, the U.S. economy became the largest and most successful in the world through corporations globalizing and our society globalizing with them but in an entirely different manner. Different economic model, different trade paradigm, different regulatory environment, etc...
The U.S. and Western Europe prospered under the IMF, IBRD, and GATT post-WWII along with many other nations in the third world. A mere decade later industrialized countries were rapidly flourishing and modernizing and doing so usually in environments of low deficit spending (by today's standards).
Though it's an aside, I'd like to point out that the U.S. Treasury National Debt Statistics shows that on January 31, 1981 the U.S. national debt was about $934 billion total. Now it's over $18 trillion. In 34 years, it went from less than one trillion to over eighteen trillion dollars.
Go to the Bureau of Labor inflation calculator and type in 934 choosing 1981 and 2015 to see what our national debt would look like today if we had balanced the budget on that date and simply paid the low interest due on it each year since. It would be under two and half trillion dollars. IF ONLY we had a national debt of two trillion dollars.
But we didn't, and in 2014 we paid over $430 billion in interest payments to our creditors who own our national debt right out of the federal budget: Government - Interest Expense on the Debt Outstanding
And that annual interest liability is rapidly increasing every year despite interest rates being low. Imagine if the interest rates rise dramatically pushing up the annual interest liability of the federal budget. When it hits a trillion a year, interest ticks up a bit, and our credit rating is finally normalized by the rating agencies and we cannot simply borrow our way out of it anymore but the annual interest payments are so enormous they literally begin to push social programs out of the federal budget to a large extent what will we do.
Well you already said what you would do: tax the wealthy and the corporations by increasing their tax liabilities via various methods.
But even if you increase tax rates, close every loophole, and track down every offshore account: there's still not enough revenue to make up the difference. And, such activities have many very serious consequences which you have yet to even acknowledge much less demonstrate that you understand.
In addition to lost productivity resulting from decreased incentives, one of them is that large corporations can simply leave and domicile in abroad in other nations. So can wealthy people. When they do that, they no longer have to pay income taxes (and other types of taxes) to the U.S. government because they are no longer U.S. corporations and citizens.
This doesn't mean, of course, that they have no tax liabilities for what they sell in the U.S. or concerns they maintain in the U.S. but it does mean they no longer are responsible for the much higher tax liabilities they presently pay (which would be materially increased by you) as domestic U.S. corporations and U.S. citizens.
Sure, the U.S. can start to implement VATs on foreign goods and services (something the U.S. doesn't presently do but should already be doing) but that net difference is a dramatic loss, not a gain, to government in comparison to what they are presently receiving. Meaning, of course, that you can't just dramatically increase the tax liabilities on the wealthy and large corporations or you lose them and their future revenues.
Managed capitalism, economic reforms... be careful how you manage and what reforms you implement. That's been done so badly since Bush Sr.'s new world order was implemented that our deterioration has progressed to serious and in twenty years will be absolutely critical.
What happened is necessary to qualifying your initial statement because it's both true and false depending on the period of modern U.S. history that you're referencing.
But understand Human that we're finally having a good discussion and seeking commonalities. I'm enjoying our discussion. Peace.
K
I see what you are saying here as it is hard enough for us to get jobs by how scarce they are, and the few that do exist want experience in that field. So if you don't have that experience and say 6 out of 10 other applicants for the job do, well you see how far down the list you are at getting that job.
I am a little torn on this subject of immigration though because yes we have tons of our own issues here in our country that needs to be worked out. Yet my Christian aspect of walking in the Spirit says we can not just send these people back to face the persecutions, drug/gang violence, and killing they are trying to escape as all those kids were sent to do by their families just a few months ago.
K
Yes there is jobs around the neighborhood but a person still can not live on $20 here and $20 there.
A person has to have a steady income these days to be able to live comfortably. When you live out in the country like I do there isn't very many neighbors as well, and the closest big city is over 60 miles away.
I want to take the time to delve further with you into some of your statements but it does take time away from my work to do so. So it will be piecemeal I'm afraid.
Let's look at this statement, "This is what happens when corporations globalize and society globalizes with them." Stop right there. Yes, that is an explanation for how we got to where we are now. But what you need to understand is that's how we got to where we are now since we changed the way that occurs beginning in the early 1990's.
Previously, the U.S. economy became the largest and most successful in the world through corporations globalizing and our society globalizing with them but in an entirely different manner. Different economic model, different trade paradigm, different regulatory environment, etc...
The U.S. and Western Europe prospered under the IMF, IBRD, and GATT post-WWII along with many other nations in the third world. A mere decade later industrialized countries were rapidly flourishing and modernizing and doing so usually in environments of low deficit spending (by today's standards).
Though it's an aside, I'd like to point out that the U.S. Treasury National Debt Statistics shows that on January 31, 1981 the U.S. national debt was about $934 billion total. Now it's over $18 trillion. In 34 years, it went from less than one trillion to over eighteen trillion dollars.
Go to the Bureau of Labor inflation calculator and type in 934 choosing 1981 and 2015 to see what our national debt would look like today if we had balanced the budget on that date and simply paid the low interest due on it each year since. It would be under two and half trillion dollars. IF ONLY we had a national debt of two trillion dollars.
But we didn't, and in 2014 we paid over $430 billion in interest payments to our creditors who own our national debt right out of the federal budget: Government - Interest Expense on the Debt Outstanding
And that annual interest liability is rapidly increasing every year despite interest rates being low. Imagine if the interest rates rise dramatically pushing up the annual interest liability of the federal budget. When it hits a trillion a year, interest ticks up a bit, and our credit rating is finally normalized by the rating agencies and we cannot simply borrow our way out of it anymore but the annual interest payments are so enormous they literally begin to push social programs out of the federal budget to a large extent what will we do.
Well you already said what you would do: tax the wealthy and the corporations by increasing their tax liabilities via various methods.
But even if you increase tax rates, close every loophole, and track down every offshore account: there's still not enough revenue to make up the difference. And, such activities have many very serious consequences which you have yet to even acknowledge much less demonstrate that you understand.
In addition to lost productivity resulting from decreased incentives, one of them is that large corporations can simply leave and domicile in abroad in other nations. So can wealthy people. When they do that, they no longer have to pay income taxes (and other types of taxes) to the U.S. government because they are no longer U.S. corporations and citizens.
This doesn't mean, of course, that they have no tax liabilities for what they sell in the U.S. or concerns they maintain in the U.S. but it does mean they no longer are responsible for the much higher tax liabilities they presently pay (which would be materially increased by you) as domestic U.S. corporations and U.S. citizens.
Sure, the U.S. can start to implement VATs on foreign goods and services (something the U.S. doesn't presently do but should already be doing) but that net difference is a dramatic loss, not a gain, to government in comparison to what they are presently receiving. Meaning, of course, that you can't just dramatically increase the tax liabilities on the wealthy and large corporations or you lose them and their future revenues.
Managed capitalism, economic reforms... be careful how you manage and what reforms you implement. That's been done so badly since Bush Sr.'s new world order was implemented that our deterioration has progressed to serious and in twenty years will be absolutely critical.
What happened is necessary to qualifying your initial statement because it's both true and false depending on the period of modern U.S. history that you're referencing.
But understand Human that we're finally having a good discussion and seeking commonalities. I'm enjoying our discussion. Peace.
Let's look at this statement, "This is what happens when corporations globalize and society globalizes with them." Stop right there. Yes, that is an explanation for how we got to where we are now. But what you need to understand is that's how we got to where we are now since we changed the way that occurs beginning in the early 1990's.
Previously, the U.S. economy became the largest and most successful in the world through corporations globalizing and our society globalizing with them but in an entirely different manner. Different economic model, different trade paradigm, different regulatory environment, etc...
The U.S. and Western Europe prospered under the IMF, IBRD, and GATT post-WWII along with many other nations in the third world. A mere decade later industrialized countries were rapidly flourishing and modernizing and doing so usually in environments of low deficit spending (by today's standards).
Though it's an aside, I'd like to point out that the U.S. Treasury National Debt Statistics shows that on January 31, 1981 the U.S. national debt was about $934 billion total. Now it's over $18 trillion. In 34 years, it went from less than one trillion to over eighteen trillion dollars.
Go to the Bureau of Labor inflation calculator and type in 934 choosing 1981 and 2015 to see what our national debt would look like today if we had balanced the budget on that date and simply paid the low interest due on it each year since. It would be under two and half trillion dollars. IF ONLY we had a national debt of two trillion dollars.
But we didn't, and in 2014 we paid over $430 billion in interest payments to our creditors who own our national debt right out of the federal budget: Government - Interest Expense on the Debt Outstanding
And that annual interest liability is rapidly increasing every year despite interest rates being low. Imagine if the interest rates rise dramatically pushing up the annual interest liability of the federal budget. When it hits a trillion a year, interest ticks up a bit, and our credit rating is finally normalized by the rating agencies and we cannot simply borrow our way out of it anymore but the annual interest payments are so enormous they literally begin to push social programs out of the federal budget to a large extent what will we do.
Well you already said what you would do: tax the wealthy and the corporations by increasing their tax liabilities via various methods.
But even if you increase tax rates, close every loophole, and track down every offshore account: there's still not enough revenue to make up the difference. And, such activities have many very serious consequences which you have yet to even acknowledge much less demonstrate that you understand.
In addition to lost productivity resulting from decreased incentives, one of them is that large corporations can simply leave and domicile in abroad in other nations. So can wealthy people. When they do that, they no longer have to pay income taxes (and other types of taxes) to the U.S. government because they are no longer U.S. corporations and citizens.
This doesn't mean, of course, that they have no tax liabilities for what they sell in the U.S. or concerns they maintain in the U.S. but it does mean they no longer are responsible for the much higher tax liabilities they presently pay (which would be materially increased by you) as domestic U.S. corporations and U.S. citizens.
Sure, the U.S. can start to implement VATs on foreign goods and services (something the U.S. doesn't presently do but should already be doing) but that net difference is a dramatic loss, not a gain, to government in comparison to what they are presently receiving. Meaning, of course, that you can't just dramatically increase the tax liabilities on the wealthy and large corporations or you lose them and their future revenues.
Managed capitalism, economic reforms... be careful how you manage and what reforms you implement. That's been done so badly since Bush Sr.'s new world order was implemented that our deterioration has progressed to serious and in twenty years will be absolutely critical.
What happened is necessary to qualifying your initial statement because it's both true and false depending on the period of modern U.S. history that you're referencing.
But understand Human that we're finally having a good discussion and seeking commonalities. I'm enjoying our discussion. Peace.
Isn't that (and correct me if I'm mistaken) what good old Abe was trying to say with the greenbacks and his war on British Imperialist financial models?
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And with respect to post 87, see post 76 and 90. You cannot proceed forward on ideals and ignore basic principles relating to economics and human behavior or you will end with systemic failure.
At least you proceed with ideals (though ideals have to be qualified carefully as well as so did Stalin and Mao) rather than personal greed like the mostly GOP responsible for the redesign of our deteriorating domestic labor market, economy, and completely broken trade paradigm operated from.
My point is they both ultimately end in the same place if whatever is produced doesn't actually align with the necessary actual actions needed to realize the desired reality.
At least you proceed with ideals (though ideals have to be qualified carefully as well as so did Stalin and Mao) rather than personal greed like the mostly GOP responsible for the redesign of our deteriorating domestic labor market, economy, and completely broken trade paradigm operated from.
My point is they both ultimately end in the same place if whatever is produced doesn't actually align with the necessary actual actions needed to realize the desired reality.
you might want to do some fact-checking on that one.
the ACA continues to use the ICD-9 coding system for "cause of death" that's been a worldwide standard since at least the late 1970's. one of those codes is for legal execution by any means, including decapitation.
so it is not an "acceptable form of public execution" -- it is part of a list of shorthand codes for cause of death. used worldwide.
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do a little digging whenever you hear an extraordinary claim, before repeating that claim, please.
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I read many posts but not all so I apologize if this is redundant. Obamacare has nothing to do with healthcare. Its been one lie on top of another. Take a look at the big picture people. It is only about control. All of the freedoms you think you have, you don't. To get you up to speed America has been taken over. The currency is worthless. Very soon there will be false flag attacks and the media owned by the elite will tell you lies. "Rumors of wars". The exact same thing happened in Germany prior to WW2. Believe what you want but I have been spending years studying what is going to happen. While many have been playing Angry Birds or Clash of Clans, watching endless hours of television, entertaining themselves into a coma, I have been vigilant at studying everything. Politics, ufos, ancient civilizations, history, weather, geology, economy, demons, dimensions, energy, vibration, sound, light, frequency, alchemy, dna, cults, secret societies, illumination, brain washing, public education system, astronomy and religion. Its funny how all of these topics are connected. Socialism is all part of the New World Order. This is just one more piece in the puzzle. Along with the control gained by Obamacare was the distraction it provided. While we are all looking at healthcare in the right hand, he was burning your constitution with his left. Take a gander at Agenda 21. Study symbols especially pertaining to secret societies. You will begin to see the truth. There is no democracy. There is no foreign enemy. The wolves are in the barn and its only going to get worse until Christ returns. Every minute you stay asleep could be spent preparing for the storm on the way. Wake up, this isn't a dream.
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Hungry, you just stated that the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act has "nothing to do with healthcare" and then went on an epic paranoid-conspiratorial rant speaking and acting exactly like one of the mentally ill paranoid delusional bums that wander the streets in the urban area here in LA where I live. If you want me treat you differently, then I treat them then you're going to have to take your meds.
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I've done mine and Human is correct that there aren't enough jobs for the number of Americans that want to work. It's an empirical fact.
That fact, in and of itself, does not validate any proposed solutions however. Those must be qualified individually as they are made.
The same goes for you but you don't even appear to be acknowledging that unemployment (much less underemployment, under compensation, etc...) exist in America.
And rofl @ posthuman's last post... lol.
That fact, in and of itself, does not validate any proposed solutions however. Those must be qualified individually as they are made.
The same goes for you but you don't even appear to be acknowledging that unemployment (much less underemployment, under compensation, etc...) exist in America.
And rofl @ posthuman's last post... lol.