Christianity for Dummies

[royalscot]

so most have looked at the bible to see, what you as a christian are ment to do.
when did it cover in your teaching.
2) Love your neighbour
what are you to do when you neighbour , judges and slanders you, lies etc etc


3) Judge no one
what are you to do, when someone slanders , judges , and lies about you. etc etc

learning from past mistakes ,learning by trial and error, to over come or be trampled on. there is alway a cost for standing up, to something you deem as wrong. only if religion and taboos and dogma conveyed this from there own pulpit. etc

so in simple terms , these lies and judgments can last a life time, and can affect many people in different ways.
just because we know god through jesus christ, and causes an knock on affect of being isolated from certain groups, ie school kid(children being isolated at there school etc), people you work with, etc etc through no fault of your own have been rejected in some form or an other.

yet have still to walk in 1234 of the fist post of the form topic.
understanding what other carry in the form of forgiveness, (is a different ball game)

4) Understand that true forgiveness is never having to forgive, because we our selfs have been forgiven.and know ware true forgiveness come from and who gave it to us. etc

 

[eyesonly]

"I want to be able to forgive my brother for an insult before it happens so I do not even get upset." This is fanciful nonsense. It comes from people living in a world where everyone is so very nice, and nothing "bad" has happened for years
Judgement is a serious affair. I have been judged so many times by christians who feel my gifting is this or that QUOTE]

Just to let you know, my life has only been good for the last year and half since accepting Christ and i am 50 now. I committed suicide when i was 19, and i say committed and not attempted because i had an NDE at that time. I have had a messed up life. Of course there are always others who have had it worse than me. but it has not been a cake walk. I have not had any Christian orientation in my life. I've lived an earthly flesh life without knowing God or Christ.

So all that i say and feel come from the experiences of the flesh reborn to the spirit of Christ.

I feel for you brother for being judged by these so called Christians. that is one of my points. How can one call themselves a Christian if they are judging another like they have done to you which cause pain, hurt, resentment and jades that person from being able to continue to grow spiritually in Christ.
I can agree or disagree with without placing judgement. And in your above post, it appears you still have resentment for the people who have judged you, when by Christs' teachings, you should feel nothing but love and pity for them for they are lost sheep needing a sheppard.

You are a beautiful example of the struggle between the flesh of the word and the spirit of the word my brother.

You are loved more than you can ever imagine.

God bless

 

[eyesonly]

so most have looked at the bible to see, what you as a christian are ment to do.
when did it cover in your teaching.
2) Love your neighbour
what are you to do when you neighbour , judges and slanders you, lies etc etc


3) Judge no one
what are you to do, when someone slanders , judges , and lies about you. etc etc

Forgive me, but really? Those are not my teachings, they are Christs'. There are only two great commandments in the new testament as given by Christ. Love the lord god with all your heart, and Love thy neighbour as you love yourself.
And Christ teaches to Judge not unless ye be judged.

As for your questions on what to do when things happen like lies and being slandered, i suggest you read the new testament from beginning to end and you will know what to do through Christs' teachings.

God bless

 

[p_rehbein]

Forgive me, but really? Those are not my teachings, they are Christs'. There are only two great commandments in the new testament as given by Christ. Love the lord god with all your heart, and Love thy neighbour as you love yourself.
And Christ teaches to Judge not unless ye be judged.

As for your questions on what to do when things happen like lies and being slandered, i suggest you read the new testament from beginning to end and you will know what to do through Christs' teachings.

God bless

All things with understanding...........

He also teaches................

Matthew 7:15 .) Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 .) Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 .) Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 .) A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 .) Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 .) Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21 .) Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

 

[eyesonly]

so most have looked at the bible to see, what you as a christian are ment to do.
when did it cover in your teaching.
2) Love your neighbour
what are you to do when you neighbour , judges and slanders you, lies etc etc


3) Judge no one
what are you to do, when someone slanders , judges , and lies about you. etc etc

learning from past mistakes ,learning by trial and error, to over come or be trampled on. there is alway a cost for standing up, to something you deem as wrong. only if religion and taboos and dogma conveyed this from there own pulpit. etc

so in simple terms , these lies and judgments can last a life time, and can affect many people in different ways.
just because we know god through jesus christ, and causes an knock on affect of being isolated from certain groups, ie school kid(children being isolated at there school etc), people you work with, etc etc through no fault of your own have been rejected in some form or an other.

yet have still to walk in 1234 of the fist post of the form topic.
understanding what other carry in the form of forgiveness, (is a different ball game)

4) Understand that true forgiveness is never having to forgive, because we our selfs have been forgiven.and know ware true forgiveness come from and who gave it to us. etc

Romans 12; 17-21

17- Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men
18-if it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men
19-dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath; for it is written, Vengeance is mine; i will repay
says the lord
20-therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink; for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his
head
21-Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good

Mathew 5; 40- And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloke also
mathew5; 43-44 (43)ye have heard that it hath been said, thou shalt love thy neighbour and hate thine enemy.
(44)But i say unto, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you

Mathew 5; 46- for if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye?

 

[royalscot]

Forgive me, but really? Those are not my teachings, they are Christs'. There are only two great commandments in the new testament as given by Christ. Love the lord god with all your heart, and Love thy neighbour as you love yourself.
And Christ teaches to Judge not unless ye be judged.
who said anything about judging, if you forgive all. the no judgement required from the believer.

understand when and how a a new covenant started for a gentile may help your understanding.
so back to your church and ask them to explain to you. etc

As for your questions on what to do when things happen like lies and being slandered, i suggest you read the new testament from beginning to end and you will know what to do through Christs' teachings.
thanks , for the advice.
God bless

if you have only being save a year and a half, do you think your an adult in christian terms, ie born again starting again as a baby, no long to think like the world.

what is that got to do with this part.

learning from past mistakes ,learning by trial and error, to over come or be trampled on. there is alway a cost for standing up, to something you deem as wrong. only if religion and taboos and dogma conveyed this from there own pulpit. etc

so in simple terms , these lies and judgments can last a life time, and can affect many people in different ways.
just because we know god through jesus christ, and causes an knock on affect of being isolated from certain groups, ie school kid(children being isolated at there school etc), people you work with, etc etc through no fault of your own have been rejected in some form or an other.

 

[royalscot]

All things with understanding...........

He also teaches................

Matthew 7:15 .) Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 .) Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 .) Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 .) A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 .) Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 .) Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21 .) Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

the bible also, teaches that a gentile is not a jewish. and a new covenant for a gentile. never started in the gospels, but after jesus had conquered death and was back in heaven. so at acts 10 to acts 15, asks what law was given to a gentile. (so how can the gentile claim to be jewish, when he was never give the same law, that jesus was under in the gospels.)

 

[eyesonly]

hey royalscot, your last post #46 has in quotes from eyesonly, me, but half the words and lines in there you have added yourself.
can you please add your own words outside of the quote please, it makes it look like i have said all that is in the quote, like back to your church, as i would never say that to anyone. or be sarcastic in anyway to anyone like "thanks for the advice."

thank you and god bless

 

[royalscot]

Romans 12; 17-21

17- Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men
18-if it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men
19-dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath; for it is written, Vengeance is mine; i will repay
says the lord
20-therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink; for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his
head
21-Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good

Mathew 5; 40- And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloke also
mathew5; 43-44 (43)ye have heard that it hath been said, thou shalt love thy neighbour and hate thine enemy.
(44)But i say unto, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you

Mathew 5; 46- for if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye?

why or what are you recommending .



Romans 8: Life in the Spirit
1 There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.2 For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death

 

[royalscot]

hey royalscot, your last post #46 has in quotes from eyesonly, me, but half the words and lines in there you have added yourself.
can you please add your own words outside of the quote please, it makes it look like i have said all that is in the quote, like back to your church, as i would never say that to anyone. or be sarcastic in anyway to anyone like "thanks for the advice."

thank you and god bless

no , they were added for you to respond to.

god bless you.

 

[eyesonly]

the bible also, teaches that a gentile is not a jewish. and a new covenant for a gentile. never started in the gospels, but after jesus had conquered death and was back in heaven. so at acts 10 to acts 15, asks what law was given to a gentile. (so how can the gentile claim to be jewish, when he was never give the same law, that jesus was under in the gospels.)

Amen brother, the age of grace doesn't begin till after the death and resurrection of Christ. We are not under the law, but under grace in the new covenant.

 

[eyesonly]

why or what are you recommending .



Romans 8: Life in the Spirit
1 There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.2 For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death

Amen, this is what this whole thread is meant for. Too many still believe you have to do works by the law. All those passages i quoted are merely Christs' way of teaching us how to get to that place of spiritual understanding, that's all. If you follow those teachings, it will bring you to a more spiritual place in Christ, and not the flesh place religion brings you to.

 

[p_rehbein]

Originally Posted by p_rehbein

All things with understanding...........

He also teaches................

Matthew 7:15 .) Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 .) Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 .) Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 .) A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 .) Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 .) Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21 .) Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.


the bible also, teaches that a gentile is not a jewish. and a new covenant for a gentile. never started in the gospels, but after jesus had conquered death and was back in heaven. so at acts 10 to acts 15, asks what law was given to a gentile. (so how can the gentile claim to be jewish, when he was never give the same law, that jesus was under in the gospels.)

Don't see how your comment even addresses the concept of Judge not.............nor how my comment addressed the New Covenant..........so........are you just posting to be contrary?

If so, that's ok..............but, it doesn't address the concept of judge not............that my comment addressed


As for when the New Covenant began.....................what was the principle message of the Gospel of Christ?

And you could read the 17th Chapter of John as well

 

[royalscot]

Amen, this is what this whole thread is meant for. Too many still believe you have to do works by the law. All those passages i quoted are merely Christs' way of teaching us how to get to that place of spiritual understanding, that's all. If you follow those teachings, it will bring you to a more spiritual place in Christ, and not the flesh place religion brings you to.

the problem with spiritual place, and reading, (read as wrote scripture), then taking the word and placing it in a time frame of history. (ie studding the word to put it in, correct time in history. ) is a difficult thing to do, with one post at a time.

yet staying in the spiritual place is a different ball game, with many new thing to learn each and every day. etc

 

[eternally-gratefull]

A small observation. There are two worlds here, one is the world of illusion, hyper spirituality where theory over the smallest upset can be dealt with, and basic simple real living, in the real world.

"I want to be able to forgive my brother for an insult before it happens so I do not even get upset."
This is fanciful nonsense. It comes from people living in a world where everyone is so very nice, and nothing "bad" has happened for years. It is also a lie, and the real hurts and lack of forgiveness and bitterness at disappointments, lack of recognition, unrequited love, sexual desires, lie below the surface. The first question one needs to ask, how do you feel about your parents and your upbringing, your siblings? Too many times people who talk the way I have read here have not begun this walk.

Judgement is a serious affair. I have been judged so many times by christians who feel my gifting is this or that. The truth is we tend to sumarise people immediately we meet them, put them into a box of do not handle. You will find you get annoyed in certain conversations and not in others, want to move on, or close them down. Ever wondered why? Because you are making judgements of use of time and interest. But again people love to say, I do not judge, I am open and loving. And yes these people do not have to deal with the seriously disfunctional and deranged, where trust is not an option, you cannot trust the people you are dealing with to any degree.

So some christians here are living in a very nice social bubble which simply does not relate to real life. No wonder the churches in some areas are declining if this is the level of understanding. And these people think they have reached spiritual maturity? There is a big shock coming...

What you just spoke of is how the world lives.

We are not to be like the world. We are supposed to not act like the world. We are supposed to love unconditionally. Which means we have unconditional forgiveness.

If you have not found this unconditional love or forgiveness, your either not of Christ, or still a babe in Christ and need to grow up.

 

[royalscot]

Originally Posted by p_rehbein

All things with understanding...........

He also teaches................

Matthew 7:15 .) Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 .) Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 .) Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 .) A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 .) Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 .) Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21 .) Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.


the bible also, teaches that a gentile is not a jewish. and a new covenant for a gentile. never started in the gospels, but after jesus had conquered death and was back in heaven. so at acts 10 to acts 15, asks what law was given to a gentile. (so how can the gentile claim to be jewish, when he was never give the same law, that jesus was under in the gospels.)

Don't see how your comment even addresses the concept of Judge not.............nor how my comment addressed the New Covenant..........so........are you just posting to be contrary?

If so, that's ok..............but, it doesn't address the concept of judge not............that my comment addressed


As for when the New Covenant began.....................what was the principle message of the Gospel of Christ?

And you could read the 17th Chapter of John as well

when do you ,add to judge not, yet your quote adds many thing to consider , with your quote, false prophet, etc etc

are they in the topic, also, so are you picking or trying to split hairs. lol

 

[PeterJens]

What you just spoke of is how the world lives.

We are not to be like the world. We are supposed to not act like the world. We are supposed to love unconditionally. Which means we have unconditional forgiveness.

If you have not found this unconditional love or forgiveness, your either not of Christ, or still a babe in Christ and need to grow up.

Let us not talk "flesh" or "spirit", but you, the real you, the whole you. Living in the world is about letting your emotions or reactions to life dictate what you do. Living in the Spirit is allowing Jesus and the Holy Spirit transform your reactions with his love, so you react appropriately.

It is pure nonsense to say sin does not cause pain or you do not feel it. If a rock is thrown at you and it hits you, you feel pain. This is real, physical, and irrespective of your faith or relationship to God. This is equally true of relationships and hurt. Forgiveness is you chosen response empowered by the love Jesus has given us.

Now most repressed and depressed people deny they are even hurt or their is a problem. They do not acknowledge what is going on. It is not "spiritual" to behave like this, it is actually disfunctional and unhealthy.

The sad reality is a lot of christians are too heavenly minded to be any spiritual use. Jesus did not come to make us other, but actually more human and grounded than anybody else. Or did you not get the notice, to be built upon the rock.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Let us not talk "flesh" or "spirit", but you, the real you, the whole you. Living in the world is about letting your emotions or reactions to life dictate what you do. Living in the Spirit is allowing Jesus and the Holy Spirit transform your reactions with his love, so you react appropriately.

Realy? thats what I have been saying all along.

It is pure nonsense to say sin does not cause pain or you do not feel it. If a rock is thrown at you and it hits you, you feel pain. This is real, physical, and irrespective of your faith or relationship to God. This is equally true of relationships and hurt. Forgiveness is you chosen response empowered by the love Jesus has given us.

so what your saying is I should act on my pain and be selfish, (act like the world)

instead of be like paul, and realise what a momentary light affliction this pain is. That this pain is nothing compaired to what Christ endured on my behalf. and I can beat it, and show the love of God inspite of my pain.

Now most repressed and depressed people deny they are even hurt or their is a problem. They do not acknowledge what is going on. It is not "spiritual" to behave like this, it is actually disfunctional and unhealthy.

no. It is spiritually unhealthy to be so self focused you let the pain consume you to the point of anger and hurt, and not give it to God. and say his grace is enough.

again, your teaching the worlds way. Not Gods way.

The sad reality is a lot of christians are too heavenly minded to be any spiritual use. Jesus did not come to make us other, but actually more human and grounded than anybody else. Or did you not get the notice, to be built upon the rock.

One who is built on the rock lays his pain on Christ, and loves like he did.

Jesus said forgive them father, they know not what they do. and they were inflicting sever pain on him.

the bible says this is how we should react.

do we do this all the time? no! it takes maturing in christ, but if you claim to be a mature believer and do not do this, you have major problems.

 

[eyesonly]

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Unsure about repenting sins to the priests?

So as Easter is coming, we (Roman Catholics) should repent our sins to the priest to celebrate resurrection clean. My problem here is that the Bible doesn't say it should be performed like that. We should confess our sins only to God. But as I'm "programmed" to repent to the priest, I get scared of not doing it. Like I'm evil and a bad Christian. I'm supposed to do it today...

Any advice would help me, thanks



I copied and pasted this from this persons thread they started. Notice the word she uses near the bottom about being "programmed". That wasn't a question in her mind, it is a state that man made religion puts you in. Cults
program people.
My heart aches for this person that they are afraid not to do what their conscience in Christ is telling them to do. The program of man is overpowering the love and teachings of Christ.
And still she is asking man for help for answers and not trusting the word of god as given by Christ himself.

I still have not gone to church, and have no desire at this point for this exact reason. This is one of the major reasons i tried for so many years to refute gods existence, because of all the hypocrisy i saw from religions and so called Christians who only seem to be Christians on sundays but act holier than thou all the rest of the week when i know they were the exact opposite.
If that was what the bible taught, i wanted no part of it. however after reading it myself i know a very different story and church begins in my heart. You don't need a concrete building to have church. Where there are 2 or 3 talking about me, i am there. (not verbatim of course).

all who have accepted Christ as their lord and saviour are one with Christ and in Christ and Christ in them.

God bless​

 

[PeterJens]

so what your saying is I should act on my pain and be selfish

Do words actually have meaning for you? The type of people who respond like you to simple words are avoiding something.

It is not worldly to acknowledge something hurts. That is human. It is worldly to retaliate and cause hurt back.
If you are hit on your left cheek, turn the right also.

We are called to respond with love. Have you ever wondered where that love comes from? It is not from the world, it is not possible to love while being beaten up, unless you are in love with the person or a masochist.

We respond in love because we know we are loved by Jesus, loved at such a deep level nothing could take it away from us. Now what you appear to be saying to me is, I do not love, but react to the pain with anger and violence.
Funny, but I do not, I respond with love and pray for the person hurting me.

Now you are unaware that most people deny they are hurt by most things. "Sticks and stones can break my bones but words can never hurt me."

This is a phrase commonly used in the UK by children. It is also a lie.

So I wonder who are you? A troll who reflects back the opposite someone is saying to wind them up? May the Lord bless you, and I forgive you, from a heart filled with Jesus, because I know he has saved me. I had forgotten what this feels like because I have had muslims do this for years, it becomes a joke. I did not expect it from "christians" but hay ho, it is a strange world...