Theory of Final Authority
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** anticipates exciting conclusion **
there are concepts like "acceptable noise" in the signal (i.e. like you said about 99.5% agreement) that i'm just setting aside not to get sidetracked before i can hear what Makahiya's trying to tell us all the way out.
i've got to get to sleep at the moment though and will be back to read more in the AM.
there are concepts like "acceptable noise" in the signal (i.e. like you said about 99.5% agreement) that i'm just setting aside not to get sidetracked before i can hear what Makahiya's trying to tell us all the way out.
i've got to get to sleep at the moment though and will be back to read more in the AM.
i think so - i'm assuming by "the bible" or "the manuscript" you mean a completely word-for-word, jot-for-jot, tittle-for-tittle inspiration? (so that any discrepancy, even if meaning is preserved - a separate question - implies a 'problem')?
not sure i agree with that 100% (but understand it's justification) but working with that thought, yes, i follow.
it's really late for me and i need to sleep now though. sorry =[
not sure i agree with that 100% (but understand it's justification) but working with that thought, yes, i follow.
it's really late for me and i need to sleep now though. sorry =[
Yes they are listed in this thread .
I'll post my first seven points for you .
#1. All scripture is given by inspiration of God.
2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God,
and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction,
for instruction in righteousness:
#2. The scriptures are the final authority.
1 Corinthians 15:3-4
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received,
how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day
according to the scriptures.
#3. Scripture references to the church are speaking
about the one body in Christ, not one denomination.
Romans 12:5 So we, being many, are one body in Christ,
and every one members one of another.
#4. All Churches are commanded to teach the scriptures.
Matthew 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things
whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway,
even unto the end of the world. Amen.
John 7:38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said,
out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
#5. You cannot honestly state you have scripture if you believe
only the original manuscripts were given by inspiration of God.
There are no original manuscripts.
2 Corinthians 4:2 But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty,
not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully;
but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves
to every man's conscience in the sight of God.
#6. You cannot honestly say "the bible" or "all bibles"
are given by inspiration of God.
There are over 400 (Christian, Catholic, Cult) Hebrew, Greek, Syrian, Latin,
German, English, etc. bibles which do not match in content, volume or doctrine.
#7. You cannot honestly say "the N.T. Greek Text"
or "all N.T. Greek Texts" are given by inspiration of God.
There are over 24 reconstructed (Christian, Catholic, Cult) N.T. Greek Texts
which do not match in content, volume or doctrine.
I'll post my first seven points for you .
#1. All scripture is given by inspiration of God.
2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God,
and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction,
for instruction in righteousness:
#2. The scriptures are the final authority.
1 Corinthians 15:3-4
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received,
how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day
according to the scriptures.
#3. Scripture references to the church are speaking
about the one body in Christ, not one denomination.
Romans 12:5 So we, being many, are one body in Christ,
and every one members one of another.
#4. All Churches are commanded to teach the scriptures.
Matthew 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things
whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway,
even unto the end of the world. Amen.
John 7:38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said,
out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
#5. You cannot honestly state you have scripture if you believe
only the original manuscripts were given by inspiration of God.
There are no original manuscripts.
2 Corinthians 4:2 But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty,
not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully;
but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves
to every man's conscience in the sight of God.
#6. You cannot honestly say "the bible" or "all bibles"
are given by inspiration of God.
There are over 400 (Christian, Catholic, Cult) Hebrew, Greek, Syrian, Latin,
German, English, etc. bibles which do not match in content, volume or doctrine.
#7. You cannot honestly say "the N.T. Greek Text"
or "all N.T. Greek Texts" are given by inspiration of God.
There are over 24 reconstructed (Christian, Catholic, Cult) N.T. Greek Texts
which do not match in content, volume or doctrine.
#1. It is a statement of fact that the scriptures state that all scripture
is given by inspiration of God .
#2. It is a statement of fact that the scriptures state that the scriptures
are the final authority .
All seven points are statements of facts .
Please, reread the first seven statements .
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this is why I asked you about the issue of Faith first. I believe that we all have a free will to chose what we believe in. But I also believe that there are two Spirits that run this place called earth...
One is the Spirit of Satan, One is the Spirit of God. There are no others, and we are controlled and lead by one of the two options.One is in us as we are born one is in us if we believe in Christ Jesus as the scriptures indicate.
So our conclusions on all things are based on the Spirit that is enslaving us. Faith is when we believe in the one we have not been left with to start this journey. Thru Jesus Christ. This is my faith.
I believe whatever we believe in is the premise to all outcome of belief, like a computer or software to the hard drive. If I have faulty software I will always regardless of the formula applied come out with the wrong answer. If it is correct software it will always spit out the correct answer in it's calculations. Bad info in, bad info, out!
I believe these beliefs are in error. because I have decided on the scriptures as my software, as it were. I will have to see in judgement if I was right, yet I am willing to take that chance.
Have you concluded that about your software? Or facts as you present them? That you have put all your faith in those facts?
One is the Spirit of Satan, One is the Spirit of God. There are no others, and we are controlled and lead by one of the two options.One is in us as we are born one is in us if we believe in Christ Jesus as the scriptures indicate.
So our conclusions on all things are based on the Spirit that is enslaving us. Faith is when we believe in the one we have not been left with to start this journey. Thru Jesus Christ. This is my faith.
I believe whatever we believe in is the premise to all outcome of belief, like a computer or software to the hard drive. If I have faulty software I will always regardless of the formula applied come out with the wrong answer. If it is correct software it will always spit out the correct answer in it's calculations. Bad info in, bad info, out!
I believe these beliefs are in error. because I have decided on the scriptures as my software, as it were. I will have to see in judgement if I was right, yet I am willing to take that chance.
Have you concluded that about your software? Or facts as you present them? That you have put all your faith in those facts?