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Yes, and similar to what somone said on another thread yesterday: "Beware! Americans shoot back!" The lack of firepower available to European police officers -- the fact many of them walk around unarmed -- is why ISIS and other terror organizations find it much easier to commit heinous acts on European soil. If they try to pull it in the U.S., they know the officers are well-armed, and there just might be a citizen packing major heat, too.
Take that away from us, and we get what Paris got. Belgium, The Nederlands, Germany, and Denmark all used high-powered special tactical units, as well as the military in each country, to carry out raids on terror groups in January that took weeks to plan, whereas our SWAT teams can conduct a raid like that on an hour's notice.
Take that away from us, and we get what Paris got. Belgium, The Nederlands, Germany, and Denmark all used high-powered special tactical units, as well as the military in each country, to carry out raids on terror groups in January that took weeks to plan, whereas our SWAT teams can conduct a raid like that on an hour's notice.
Guns are the cause of why attacks in schools aren't just a schoolyard brawl, but are massacres. The historical reason of the 2nd Amendment is an error in thinking that guns guarantee sovereignty. God guarantees sovereignty. Guns guarantee only bullets.
The gun is to be defeated by the sword. Revelation trumps Federalist Papers.
The gun is to be defeated by the sword. Revelation trumps Federalist Papers.
lol, can we ban knives too? The highschool I went to had a case where a school shooting was stopped because someone befriended the bullied kid, but a knife got through and some kid was almost stabbed because he was bullying this other kid. I said evidence of why you believe this, not more speculation.
that is not evidence that guns are the cause.....prove it is not the behavior at schools. Ok, lets ban all knives in the U.S., good luck cutting your steak.
Can you please read this article. It is about how public schools are not great at socialization, could this be the reason behind school shootings, or is the weapon used the cause in your opinion?
If you want to know something else....look at what happened when alcohol was illegal.....Do you honestly think it will be any different with guns?
I personally don't have guns, but I know the significance of the 2nd Amendment. If you look at the facts, you are going to take guns away from the police, then another Al Capone will show up.
Can you please read this article. It is about how public schools are not great at socialization, could this be the reason behind school shootings, or is the weapon used the cause in your opinion?
If you want to know something else....look at what happened when alcohol was illegal.....Do you honestly think it will be any different with guns?
I personally don't have guns, but I know the significance of the 2nd Amendment. If you look at the facts, you are going to take guns away from the police, then another Al Capone will show up.
You have to have a gun to have a shooting. The cause can be a multitude of reasons, or no reason at all. I do not think there is any one cause. The gun though causes the shooting. Elsewise it is just a fight. Therefore if you remove the gun from the equation you remove the shooting. Therefore if the tools to cause the shootings are removed this makes it more manageable for everyone from the common man to the authorities to stop the fights.
On Prohibition, if the argument is that because people still used alcohol when it was prohibitted, then one could argue we ought to make heroin legal simply because people will use it anyways. That's not acceptable in my opinion. Just like with heroin as with the guns, my opinion is to go further than simply prohibitting it, but to also crackdown, confiscate, and purge the poison from society because it is clearly destroying lives, not only of the direct user but also of those around them.
Your article is interesting, but it seems to me to be about homeschooling vs public schooling. Perhaps a good topic for another thread.
On Prohibition, if the argument is that because people still used alcohol when it was prohibitted, then one could argue we ought to make heroin legal simply because people will use it anyways. That's not acceptable in my opinion. Just like with heroin as with the guns, my opinion is to go further than simply prohibitting it, but to also crackdown, confiscate, and purge the poison from society because it is clearly destroying lives, not only of the direct user but also of those around them.
Your article is interesting, but it seems to me to be about homeschooling vs public schooling. Perhaps a good topic for another thread.
Shooting is not the only way to kill....Did you know someone with a knife can take down a cop with a gun under certain circumstances?
I am not saying people still used it, therefore it should be legal. You want to disarm the police. People found ways to get alcohol even though it was being confiscated......so who is to say people can't find guns? People illegally obtain guns (like alcohol in prohibition), police are unarmed....What happens next? If you read what I wrote, you would see I said
1. you want to take guns from police
2. New Al Capone illegally supplies guns
3. How do police stop this, they can no longer defend themselves.......
point number 1 is from this post:
The article was aimed at homeschool vs public school, but it shows how socialization fails in public schools....Which could then be inferred that this might have something to do with shootings....someone has to have a reason for killing others, and it isn't I had a gun and it told me to.....
Airplanes were used in 9/11.....should we ban airplanes too? You have to have an airplane to fly into the Twin Towers......Therefore if the tools to cause a plane crash are taken away, it is more manageable, right?
I am not saying people still used it, therefore it should be legal. You want to disarm the police. People found ways to get alcohol even though it was being confiscated......so who is to say people can't find guns? People illegally obtain guns (like alcohol in prohibition), police are unarmed....What happens next? If you read what I wrote, you would see I said
1. you want to take guns from police
2. New Al Capone illegally supplies guns
3. How do police stop this, they can no longer defend themselves.......
point number 1 is from this post:
The article was aimed at homeschool vs public school, but it shows how socialization fails in public schools....Which could then be inferred that this might have something to do with shootings....someone has to have a reason for killing others, and it isn't I had a gun and it told me to.....
Airplanes were used in 9/11.....should we ban airplanes too? You have to have an airplane to fly into the Twin Towers......Therefore if the tools to cause a plane crash are taken away, it is more manageable, right?
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1. I said we should remove all guns and destroy them, not just those from the police. I am talking about completely eradicating them from the face of the earth.
2. Al Capone is dead. Nevertheless there won't be guns for criminals to illegally gain if we completely confiscate and annhilate them from the face of the planet.
3. Police in the UK don't carry guns and their gun crime rates are significantly lower than in America. So the idea that disarming the police leads to more gun crime is false. Plus again, I am not talking about simple prohibition of guns, or extremely lenient gun control policy like UK where they even still allow certain guns. I am talking about a proactive effort to totally wipe them off the face of the planet.
As for airplanes, if you want to ban airplanes, go ahead, you will indeed have less plane crashes.
2. Al Capone is dead. Nevertheless there won't be guns for criminals to illegally gain if we completely confiscate and annhilate them from the face of the planet.
3. Police in the UK don't carry guns and their gun crime rates are significantly lower than in America. So the idea that disarming the police leads to more gun crime is false. Plus again, I am not talking about simple prohibition of guns, or extremely lenient gun control policy like UK where they even still allow certain guns. I am talking about a proactive effort to totally wipe them off the face of the planet.
As for airplanes, if you want to ban airplanes, go ahead, you will indeed have less plane crashes.
Gun control works in Japan, Australia and Canada. Proportionally speaking, of course. Japan had one mass murder and they banned guns, and they have as low as TWO gun homicides in some years.
"But what about the country at the other end of the spectrum? What is the role of guns in Japan, the developed world's least firearm-filled nation and perhaps its strictest controller? In 2008, the U.S. had over 12 thousand firearm-related homicides. All of Japan experienced only 11, fewer than were killed at the Aurora shooting alone. And that was a big year: 2006 saw an astounding two, and when that number jumped to 22 in 2007, it became a national scandal. By comparison, also in 2008, 587 Americans were killed just by guns that had discharged accidentally. Almost no one in Japan owns a gun. Most kinds are illegal, with onerous restrictions on buying and maintaining the few that are allowed. Even the country's infamous, mafia-like Yakuza tend to forgo guns; the few exceptionstend to become big national news stories."
A Land Without Guns: How Japan Has Virtually Eliminated Shooting Deaths - The Atlantic
Australia - more of the same
"John Howard, who served as prime minister of Australia from 1996 to 2007, is no one's idea of a lefty. He was one of George W. Bush's closest allies, enthusiastically backing the Iraq intervention, and took a hard line domestically against increased immigration and union organizing (pdf).
But one of Howard's other lasting legacies is Australia's gun control regime, first passed in 1996 in response to a massacre in Tasmania that left 35 dead. The law banned semiautomatic and automatic rifles and shotguns. It also instituted a mandatory buy-back program for newly banned weapons.
On Wednesday, Howard took to the Melbourne daily the Age to call on the United States, in light of the Aurora, Colo., massacre, to follow in Australia's footsteps. "There are many American traits which we Australians could well emulate to our great benefit," he concluded. "But when it comes to guns, we have been right to take a radically different path."
So what have the Australian laws actually done for homicide and suicide rates? Howard cites a study (pdf) by Andrew Leigh of Australian National University and Christine Neill of Wilfrid Laurier University finding that the firearm homicide rate fell by 59 percent, and the firearm suicide rate fell by 65 percent, in the decade after the law was introduced, without a parallel increase in non-firearm homicides and suicides. That provides strong circumstantial evidence for the law's effectiveness."
Did gun control work in Australia? - The Washington Post
And in Canada, a decrease in firearm suicides with gun control.
"Despite a media focus on homicide, the majority of firearm-related deaths are a result of suicide. Less than 40% of firearm-related injuries are intentionally inflicted by another person. Since the implementation of Canada's gun registry in 1995, there has been a significant reduction in firearm-related suicides and intimate partner homicides. Proposed weakening of gun laws in Canada will have a significant impact on firearm-related mortality and injury. There must be instead an expansion of programs focused on prevention of suicide, intimate partner violence and gang-related violence."
CAEP Position Statement on Gun Control | Canadian Journal of Emergency Medicine
I find it interesting that suicide rates were lowered considerably in countries with gun control.
"But what about the country at the other end of the spectrum? What is the role of guns in Japan, the developed world's least firearm-filled nation and perhaps its strictest controller? In 2008, the U.S. had over 12 thousand firearm-related homicides. All of Japan experienced only 11, fewer than were killed at the Aurora shooting alone. And that was a big year: 2006 saw an astounding two, and when that number jumped to 22 in 2007, it became a national scandal. By comparison, also in 2008, 587 Americans were killed just by guns that had discharged accidentally. Almost no one in Japan owns a gun. Most kinds are illegal, with onerous restrictions on buying and maintaining the few that are allowed. Even the country's infamous, mafia-like Yakuza tend to forgo guns; the few exceptionstend to become big national news stories."
A Land Without Guns: How Japan Has Virtually Eliminated Shooting Deaths - The Atlantic
Australia - more of the same
"John Howard, who served as prime minister of Australia from 1996 to 2007, is no one's idea of a lefty. He was one of George W. Bush's closest allies, enthusiastically backing the Iraq intervention, and took a hard line domestically against increased immigration and union organizing (pdf).
But one of Howard's other lasting legacies is Australia's gun control regime, first passed in 1996 in response to a massacre in Tasmania that left 35 dead. The law banned semiautomatic and automatic rifles and shotguns. It also instituted a mandatory buy-back program for newly banned weapons.
On Wednesday, Howard took to the Melbourne daily the Age to call on the United States, in light of the Aurora, Colo., massacre, to follow in Australia's footsteps. "There are many American traits which we Australians could well emulate to our great benefit," he concluded. "But when it comes to guns, we have been right to take a radically different path."
So what have the Australian laws actually done for homicide and suicide rates? Howard cites a study (pdf) by Andrew Leigh of Australian National University and Christine Neill of Wilfrid Laurier University finding that the firearm homicide rate fell by 59 percent, and the firearm suicide rate fell by 65 percent, in the decade after the law was introduced, without a parallel increase in non-firearm homicides and suicides. That provides strong circumstantial evidence for the law's effectiveness."
Did gun control work in Australia? - The Washington Post
And in Canada, a decrease in firearm suicides with gun control.
"Despite a media focus on homicide, the majority of firearm-related deaths are a result of suicide. Less than 40% of firearm-related injuries are intentionally inflicted by another person. Since the implementation of Canada's gun registry in 1995, there has been a significant reduction in firearm-related suicides and intimate partner homicides. Proposed weakening of gun laws in Canada will have a significant impact on firearm-related mortality and injury. There must be instead an expansion of programs focused on prevention of suicide, intimate partner violence and gang-related violence."
CAEP Position Statement on Gun Control | Canadian Journal of Emergency Medicine
I find it interesting that suicide rates were lowered considerably in countries with gun control.
I forgot to add - it is deplorable that police are being shot and killed. We do arm our police, and I think that is the right thing to do. We have had quite a few Mounties killed in the last 10 years, because they were careful to respect people, instead of shooting to kill. One in my own neighbourhood this year. The entire town turned up for the military parade and memorial.
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And how do you propose to do this? It's impossible. You think the arms dealers of the world will just give up their weapons and smile about it? You're very naivé if you honestly believe that. The scary part is, I think you actually think it possible.
So you want to leave weapons only in the hands of government? Is that it? Or you cluelessly believe evil people will allow themselves to be disarmed? Your naivété is truly remarkable.
Statistics prove you utterly wrong on the count of removing guns from police not leading to more crime, particularly gun crime. Also, the lack of firepower on the streets of London during the 7/7 attacks was what resulted in the deaths of 56 innocent people.
On second thought, let's just seal eveyrone up in their houses, wrap them in bubble wrap and put them on giant springs, as well as building a plexiglas bubble over every city in the world. We may as well eliminate death and injury from traffic and pedestrian accidents, as well as from hurricanes, tornadoes, and lightning -- also the occasional stray meteor, except, of course, for the big one that will likely come along and trigger an E.L.E.
Oh, but most accidents and deaths occur in the home. Never mind. Take everybody out and shoot them, to save them. But wait. You took all the guns away. Guess we'll have to order everyone to commit hari kari.
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What a maroon. Fitting, given your idiot commander-in-chief is after the same thing.
So you want to leave weapons only in the hands of government? Is that it? Or you cluelessly believe evil people will allow themselves to be disarmed? Your naivété is truly remarkable.
Statistics prove you utterly wrong on the count of removing guns from police not leading to more crime, particularly gun crime. Also, the lack of firepower on the streets of London during the 7/7 attacks was what resulted in the deaths of 56 innocent people.
On second thought, let's just seal eveyrone up in their houses, wrap them in bubble wrap and put them on giant springs, as well as building a plexiglas bubble over every city in the world. We may as well eliminate death and injury from traffic and pedestrian accidents, as well as from hurricanes, tornadoes, and lightning -- also the occasional stray meteor, except, of course, for the big one that will likely come along and trigger an E.L.E.
Oh, but most accidents and deaths occur in the home. Never mind. Take everybody out and shoot them, to save them. But wait. You took all the guns away. Guess we'll have to order everyone to commit hari kari.
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What a maroon. Fitting, given your idiot commander-in-chief is after the same thing.
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