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Allow me.
All unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice;
gossip, slander, hatred of God, insolence, arrogance, boasting, evil
imaginations, disobedience to parents, untrustworthiness, and callousness
(Rom 1:29-32}
Fornication, idolatry, adultery, theft, covetousness, alcoholism, reviling, and
extortion. (1Cor 6:9-10)
Secularism, whore-mongering, kidnapping, dishonesty, and perjury (1Tim
1:9-10)
All those sins are just as condemned, and just as hell-worthy as LGBT.
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Allow me.
All unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice;
gossip, slander, hatred of God, insolence, arrogance, boasting, evil
imaginations, disobedience to parents, untrustworthiness, and callousness
(Rom 1:29-32}
Fornication, idolatry, adultery, theft, covetousness, alcoholism, reviling, and
extortion. (1Cor 6:9-10)
Secularism, whore-mongering, kidnapping, dishonesty, and perjury (1Tim
1:9-10)
All those sins are just as condemned, and just as hell-worthy as LGBT.
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Referring to homosexuality as LGBT is taking away from Gods word and adding to it. God did not differentiate neither should we. All homosexual sin is homosexuality. That includes sins of thought as well. If your mind delves into the thoughts and does not fight the battle against it but lives in it it is still sin
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Why not let's talk about dishonesty instead of LGBT seeing as how the
penalty for dishonesty is just as severe.
†. Rev 21:7-8 . . All liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire
and brimstone, which is the second death.
†. Rev 21:27 . . No one who practices lying, shall ever come into [the holy
city, the new Jerusalem] but only those whose names are written in the
Lamb's book of life.
Some people manage to be honest most of the time, and some people are
honest some of the time; but nobody is 100% honest all the time. So then, I
think it's pretty safe to conclude that there are far more people in danger of
the lake of fire due to dishonesty than LGBT.
†. John 8:7 . . He that is without sin among you; let him be the first to
throw a stone.
Are there any fibbers hereabouts that dispute anything I have written?
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Why not let's talk about dishonesty instead of LGBT seeing as how the
penalty for dishonesty is just as severe.
†. Rev 21:7-8 . . All liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire
and brimstone, which is the second death.
†. Rev 21:27 . . No one who practices lying, shall ever come into [the holy
city, the new Jerusalem] but only those whose names are written in the
Lamb's book of life.
Some people manage to be honest most of the time, and some people are
honest some of the time; but nobody is 100% honest all the time. So then, I
think it's pretty safe to conclude that there are far more people in danger of
the lake of fire due to dishonesty than LGBT.
†. John 8:7 . . He that is without sin among you; let him be the first to
throw a stone.
Are there any fibbers hereabouts that dispute anything I have written?
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I thinks it's because "homosexuality" is more of a lifestyle rather than oops I just sinned,let me go repent now....and the biggest problem is the church because now alot of Christians are excepting the lifestyle. Look at Rob Bell! Who by the way is a "false prophet" ,but how many people is he leading to eternal damnation because of his lies..? As time goes on,how many more churches are going to embrace this idea that homosexuality is ok? I don't think it's pointing out particular sin,I think it's a matter of where this is going...and the frustration...especially when you have Pastors and Priest given a platform on tv.(Oprah) and their saying homosexuality is a gift! It's sad...just think of all the young people who are new in Christ and who maybe struggling with homosexuality and their being fed lies...
K
Because driving over the speed limit is not called an abomination. There is a difference with homosexuality because the Bible says you are sinning against your own body.Its also against the very foundation of Gods plan of the family, marriage between a man and a woman. Gods takes the sin of homosexuality very seriously.I wonder why Christians dont have the courage to say homosexuality is wrong instead trying to bring up every other sin known to man so they dont have to say it is wrong.Does God love the homosexual? Yes! Can a homosexual be saved? Yes! Can they be saved if Christians dont have the courage to tell them they are living in sin and need to be delivered? No! If you see a house on fire you warn that person the house is on fire to save their lives,you dont stand around guessing about how the fire started or when it started. The Bible says if no one sounds a clear call how can the people be saved.
C
I agree with you that Homosexuality is a sin like any other sin the only thing that differs between other sins is Homosexuals seem to have an agenda. So lets not talk about homosexuals who aren't Christians because God will be the one to judge them, not us. Now with so called Christians who claim to be a Christian and live an active Homosexual life style; we can judge them. Granted we must do this out of love, not pride or anger. I know we all sin but I don't sit there and think my sin is ok. I feel terrible after sinning and repent, usually immediately. Where the issue falls, is if there are Christians out there who live this homosexual life style and feel it isn't a sin, and if this is the case then the Church needs to address this with them. I will copy a little write up I did on Christians being allowed to judge. So many Christians think that we can't judge and that just isn't biblical.
[h=1]Can Christians Judge?[/h] By Ceile De | September 16, 2014
There are many Christians who say we can’t judge. The bible does state you are not to judge in the below verse. This seems to be the verse Christians use to claim we aren’t allowed to judge anyone.
Matthew 7:1-5 7 “Judge not, that you be not judged. 2 For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. 3 Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?
In this verse it doesn’t necessarily say not to judge, but when you do judge you will also be judged by the same degree you judged someone. And if you are also in sin then get your act straight before you cast blame on someone else.
I will use the following verses to support my claim that Christians can judge.
John 7:24 “Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment.”
This verse is talking about righteous judgement. What is right judgment? In the KJV says righteous judgement and NASB does as well. Righteous judgment is Biblical Judgment. Judge a person according to what the Word of God says.
1 Corinthians 5:11-13 11 But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one. 12 For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? 13 God judges those outside. “Purge the evil person from among you.
The first part of this passage tells us not to associate with certain people who are in sin. To find out who is in sin we must judge them. It also states we aren’t here to judge outsiders (non Christians) but judge members of the Church. God judges the non Christians and we judge fellow Christians. It also states to get rid of the evil people among us. NASB says to get rid of the wicked among us. So here it says we are to get rid of wicked members of the church. To find out if someone in the church is wicked we must judge them.
Romans 12:9 Let love be genuine. Abhor what is evil; hold fast to what is good.
This passage tells us to Abhor evil. To abhor evil we must judge the person first to find the evil.
James 5:19-20 19 My brothers, if anyone among you wanders from the truth and someone brings him back, 20 let him know that whoever brings back a sinner from his wandering will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins.
God wants us to confront brothers and sisters in Christ and let them know of their sinful ways therefore judging them. If we don’t let other Christians know that they are walking the wrong path then we are allowing them to possibly face death (hell). This is a good thing to do this.
The following are examples of where Apostles judging others.
2 Timothy 2:16-17 16 But avoid irreverent babble, for it will lead people into more and more ungodliness, 17 and their talk will spread like gangrene. Among them are Hymenaeus and Philetus
2 Timothy 4:14-15 14 Alexander the coppersmith did me great harm; the Lord will repay him according to his deeds. 15 Beware of him yourself, for he strongly opposed our message.
1 Timothy 1:19-20 19 holding faith and a good conscience. By rejecting this, some have made shipwreck of their faith, 20 among whom are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I have handed over to Satan that they may learn not to blaspheme.
Paul in these verses is judging and telling other Christians about things others have done.
3 John 1:9-10 9 I have written something to the church, but Diotrephes, who likes to put himself first, does not acknowledge our authority. 10 So if I come, I will bring up what he is doing, talking wicked nonsense against us. And not content with that, he refuses to welcome the brothers, and also stops those who want to and puts them out of the church
John is telling others of something Diotrephes has done. Again we see judgement from a Christian telling other Christians.
1 Timothy 5:20 20 As for those who persist in sin, rebuke them in the presence of all, so that the rest may stand in fear.
Here it tells us we are to confront Christians in sin (judge) and do this in front of other Christians and this is to make other Christians think twice about entering into sin.
James 4:17 So whoever knows the right thing to do and fails to do it, for him it is sin.
Here it tells us we are to do the right thing and that right thing is to judge other Christians, not out of hate or anger, but to help them see that what they are doing is wrong and also to help other Christians see this before they act on it.
My position is we can judge other Christians but we need to do it out of love and not pride or anger. I don’t think Christians wanted to kick others out of the Church but it happened. Can this be abused like anything else? Yes! We need to trust in the Holy Spirit and let Him guide us.
[h=1]Can Christians Judge?[/h] By Ceile De | September 16, 2014
There are many Christians who say we can’t judge. The bible does state you are not to judge in the below verse. This seems to be the verse Christians use to claim we aren’t allowed to judge anyone.
Matthew 7:1-5 7 “Judge not, that you be not judged. 2 For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. 3 Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?
In this verse it doesn’t necessarily say not to judge, but when you do judge you will also be judged by the same degree you judged someone. And if you are also in sin then get your act straight before you cast blame on someone else.
I will use the following verses to support my claim that Christians can judge.
John 7:24 “Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment.”
This verse is talking about righteous judgement. What is right judgment? In the KJV says righteous judgement and NASB does as well. Righteous judgment is Biblical Judgment. Judge a person according to what the Word of God says.
1 Corinthians 5:11-13 11 But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one. 12 For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? 13 God judges those outside. “Purge the evil person from among you.
The first part of this passage tells us not to associate with certain people who are in sin. To find out who is in sin we must judge them. It also states we aren’t here to judge outsiders (non Christians) but judge members of the Church. God judges the non Christians and we judge fellow Christians. It also states to get rid of the evil people among us. NASB says to get rid of the wicked among us. So here it says we are to get rid of wicked members of the church. To find out if someone in the church is wicked we must judge them.
Romans 12:9 Let love be genuine. Abhor what is evil; hold fast to what is good.
This passage tells us to Abhor evil. To abhor evil we must judge the person first to find the evil.
James 5:19-20 19 My brothers, if anyone among you wanders from the truth and someone brings him back, 20 let him know that whoever brings back a sinner from his wandering will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins.
God wants us to confront brothers and sisters in Christ and let them know of their sinful ways therefore judging them. If we don’t let other Christians know that they are walking the wrong path then we are allowing them to possibly face death (hell). This is a good thing to do this.
The following are examples of where Apostles judging others.
2 Timothy 2:16-17 16 But avoid irreverent babble, for it will lead people into more and more ungodliness, 17 and their talk will spread like gangrene. Among them are Hymenaeus and Philetus
2 Timothy 4:14-15 14 Alexander the coppersmith did me great harm; the Lord will repay him according to his deeds. 15 Beware of him yourself, for he strongly opposed our message.
1 Timothy 1:19-20 19 holding faith and a good conscience. By rejecting this, some have made shipwreck of their faith, 20 among whom are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I have handed over to Satan that they may learn not to blaspheme.
Paul in these verses is judging and telling other Christians about things others have done.
3 John 1:9-10 9 I have written something to the church, but Diotrephes, who likes to put himself first, does not acknowledge our authority. 10 So if I come, I will bring up what he is doing, talking wicked nonsense against us. And not content with that, he refuses to welcome the brothers, and also stops those who want to and puts them out of the church
John is telling others of something Diotrephes has done. Again we see judgement from a Christian telling other Christians.
1 Timothy 5:20 20 As for those who persist in sin, rebuke them in the presence of all, so that the rest may stand in fear.
Here it tells us we are to confront Christians in sin (judge) and do this in front of other Christians and this is to make other Christians think twice about entering into sin.
James 4:17 So whoever knows the right thing to do and fails to do it, for him it is sin.
Here it tells us we are to do the right thing and that right thing is to judge other Christians, not out of hate or anger, but to help them see that what they are doing is wrong and also to help other Christians see this before they act on it.
My position is we can judge other Christians but we need to do it out of love and not pride or anger. I don’t think Christians wanted to kick others out of the Church but it happened. Can this be abused like anything else? Yes! We need to trust in the Holy Spirit and let Him guide us.
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To my knowledge, the Bible doesn't clearly verify that LGBT are natural
born. It does however, clearly verify that dishonesty is natural-born.
†. Ps 58:3 . . The wicked are estranged from the womb; these who speak
lies go astray from birth.
That's an interesting statement. It's saying-- in so many words --that
although infants are too young to lie; they are born with a proclivity to lie,
and that's what makes them wicked because that proclivity is in them and
will eventually have its way with them; and just about everybody knows that
children need not be taught to fib; they'll do it on their own without teaching.
What they need to be taught is to tell the truth.
Q: So then, seeing as how dishonesty is natural-born; don't liars have an
excuse?
A: Apparently not.
†. Rev 21:7-8 . . All liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire
and brimstone, which is the second death.
†. Rev 21:27 . . No one who practices lying, shall ever come into [the holy
city, the new Jerusalem] but only those whose names are written in the
Lamb's book of life.
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To my knowledge, the Bible doesn't clearly verify that LGBT are natural
born. It does however, clearly verify that dishonesty is natural-born.
†. Ps 58:3 . . The wicked are estranged from the womb; these who speak
lies go astray from birth.
That's an interesting statement. It's saying-- in so many words --that
although infants are too young to lie; they are born with a proclivity to lie,
and that's what makes them wicked because that proclivity is in them and
will eventually have its way with them; and just about everybody knows that
children need not be taught to fib; they'll do it on their own without teaching.
What they need to be taught is to tell the truth.
Q: So then, seeing as how dishonesty is natural-born; don't liars have an
excuse?
A: Apparently not.
†. Rev 21:7-8 . . All liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire
and brimstone, which is the second death.
†. Rev 21:27 . . No one who practices lying, shall ever come into [the holy
city, the new Jerusalem] but only those whose names are written in the
Lamb's book of life.
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This is true, but someone who deliberately continues in known sin thereby prove they are unsaved. 'He who says, 'I know Him', and yet disobeys His commands, is a liar and the truth is not in him.' (1 John 2.4). 'No one who abides in Him continues in sin. No one who continues in sin has either seen Him or known Him' (1 John 3.6).
Once again you state something that is absolutely not true.
The rainbow is a covenant between God and the entire earth, including animals and ALL mankind, that he would never destroy the earth, animals or mankind with a flood.. This covenant was made between God and all mankind and the earth, where Noah stood in for all of mankind and the earth. This covenant was also before the Mosaic Covenant, which meant that Homosexuality was not yet under the law.
So God actually made the coveant wiht the even homosexuals, because they are in the earth and part of ALL mankind.
Genesis 9.8-17
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Then God spoke to Noah and to his sons with him, saying, [SUP]9 [/SUP]“Now behold, I Myself do establish My covenant with you, and with your descendants after you; [SUP]10 [/SUP]and with every living creature that is with you, the birds, the cattle, and every beast of the earth with you; of all that comes out of the ark, even every beast of the earth. [SUP]11 [/SUP]I establish My covenant with you; and all flesh shall never again be cut off by the water of the flood, neither shall there again be a flood to destroy the earth.” [SUP]12 [/SUP]God said, “This is the sign of the covenant which I am making between Me and you and every living creature that is with you, for [SUP][[/SUP]all successive generations; [SUP]13 [/SUP]I set My bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a sign of a covenant between Me and the earth. [SUP]14 [/SUP]It shall come about, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the bow will be seen in the cloud, [SUP]15 [/SUP]and I will remember My covenant, which is between Me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and never again shall the water become a flood to destroy all flesh. [SUP]16 [/SUP]When the bow is in the cloud, then I will look upon it, to remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is on the earth.” [SUP]17 [/SUP]And God said to Noah, “This is the sign of the covenant which I have established between Me and all flesh that is on the earth.”
The rainbow is a covenant between God and the entire earth, including animals and ALL mankind, that he would never destroy the earth, animals or mankind with a flood.. This covenant was made between God and all mankind and the earth, where Noah stood in for all of mankind and the earth. This covenant was also before the Mosaic Covenant, which meant that Homosexuality was not yet under the law.
So God actually made the coveant wiht the even homosexuals, because they are in the earth and part of ALL mankind.
Genesis 9.8-17
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Then God spoke to Noah and to his sons with him, saying, [SUP]9 [/SUP]“Now behold, I Myself do establish My covenant with you, and with your descendants after you; [SUP]10 [/SUP]and with every living creature that is with you, the birds, the cattle, and every beast of the earth with you; of all that comes out of the ark, even every beast of the earth. [SUP]11 [/SUP]I establish My covenant with you; and all flesh shall never again be cut off by the water of the flood, neither shall there again be a flood to destroy the earth.” [SUP]12 [/SUP]God said, “This is the sign of the covenant which I am making between Me and you and every living creature that is with you, for [SUP][[/SUP]all successive generations; [SUP]13 [/SUP]I set My bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a sign of a covenant between Me and the earth. [SUP]14 [/SUP]It shall come about, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the bow will be seen in the cloud, [SUP]15 [/SUP]and I will remember My covenant, which is between Me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and never again shall the water become a flood to destroy all flesh. [SUP]16 [/SUP]When the bow is in the cloud, then I will look upon it, to remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is on the earth.” [SUP]17 [/SUP]And God said to Noah, “This is the sign of the covenant which I have established between Me and all flesh that is on the earth.”
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The man who penned 1John 2:4 and 1John 3:6 is the very same man who
penned the below.
†. 1John 1:8-10 . . If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and
the truth is not in us. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar,
and his word is not in us.
In other words: not knowing him and/or not seeing him does not prove that
somebody has not been saved by him. It only proves that they are out of
fellowship with him.
†. 1John 1:6 . . If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in
darkness, we lie, and do not the truth
BTW: You have probably known for some time now that dishonesty is a sin.
Yet to this day you are not 100% truthful are you? In other words; you know
dishonesty is a sin; yet you continue to lie anyway. Well; according to your
logic, you are thereby proven unsaved.
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The man who penned 1John 2:4 and 1John 3:6 is the very same man who
penned the below.
†. 1John 1:8-10 . . If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and
the truth is not in us. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar,
and his word is not in us.
In other words: not knowing him and/or not seeing him does not prove that
somebody has not been saved by him. It only proves that they are out of
fellowship with him.
†. 1John 1:6 . . If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in
darkness, we lie, and do not the truth
BTW: You have probably known for some time now that dishonesty is a sin.
Yet to this day you are not 100% truthful are you? In other words; you know
dishonesty is a sin; yet you continue to lie anyway. Well; according to your
logic, you are thereby proven unsaved.
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