Creflo Dollar's Jet

[JesusIsAll]

Seeing a thread about Joyce Meyer, there's something I've never understood, about name it and claim it, about prosperity gospel. You are are supposed to be "sowing that seed" with your "love offerings" to that sanctified Post Office box, $10 from a widow, who's skimping on her medicine, needed to help build that swimming pool? The widow you promised a hundred fold return? Needed to buy that jet?

Like Creflo Dollar says he needs a $65,000,000 jet. Why doesn't Creflo Dollar give away $650,000 to the poor or some churches, and buy his jet with his hundred fold return? That would only cost him the equivalent of a few Bentleys and baubles, like Rolex watches. If only enough mojo for a ten fold return, he could double-down once, right?

Better still, why don't they just simplify everything, and name and claim their swimming pools and jets? Why all the money grubbing, as if what they teach doesn't work? Seems if there were any truth in what they're saying, I'd be advertising for people needing free money after every pitch, oops, I mean, sermon, couldn't give it away fast enough! Maybe name and claim that bigger mansion. Shoot! No offense meant to builders, I'd just name and claim the Taj Mahal, except does anybody know if it has indoor plumbing?

There are so many things that just don't make sense of all sorts of doctrines, which you don't get any satisfying answers to. I wonder why this is?

Matthew 7:21-23 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

(Wonder if they ever get spooked over camels and eye of needle scripture? Just sayin'... Next: If Creflo Dollar were Mexican, would he be Creflo Peso? Or Vietnamese, Creflo Dong?)

 

[crossnote]

Gee, I wish they'd start a Forum for Whacko movements, cults and other Bizarro phenomenon that attempts passing for biblical Christianity.

 

[JesusIsAll]

Gee, I wish they'd start a Forum for Whacko movements, cults and other Bizarro phenomenon that attempts passing for biblical Christianity.

That would leave, what, maybe two or three threads in the BDF?

 

[Word_Swordsman]

That complaint reminds me of too many people I've heard curse rich Christians while defending George Soros, Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton, and other liberal radicals who are getting rich off the poor, and strong-arming corporations by threatening racial troubles if not obeying them. Why must Christians never be wealthy? There's no commandment prohibiting that, though one particular rich young man caught Jesus' attention. A rich man supplied his tomb. Should Jesus have refused to arise from that one, leaving it for use by a wicked man instead?

For the record, most mega church preachers like Dollar have been investigated sufficiently. Dollar and others don't take a dime of salary from churches. They sell media materials they authored, which are wildly popular. From what I've read most donate a huge part of their sales. it's apparent to me they are being blessed by God just like the Lord taught them it should be.

Would you have condemned Abraham for his wealth in his day, or worse today? It was enormous, and so was that of Job. If not, why not? Abraham was a friend of God. Are you? Is there some jealousy or covetousness at hand among those condemning people blessed by God?

Some folks here hate the idea of tithing to support ministry. They like the idea of tipping a church a few bucks once in a while, calling that a freewill offering that pleases God. But when a call goes out for an offering of any amount, they are offended, yet obviously are tuning in as free-loaders worried some poor widow will not be blessed for giving a dollar. How else shall anyone know of needs of ministries, but that ministers ask for offerings?

if anyone gives an offering according to the terms of 2 Cor 9, then they will be blessed to the extent of 2 Corinthians 9:10-11 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] Now he that ministereth seed to the sower both minister bread for your food, and multiply your seed sown, and increase the fruits of your righteousness
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Being enriched in every thing to all bountifulness, which causeth through us thanksgiving to God.

Else the scriptures are a lie, and we all just stay home without hope. Not me! Dollar and thousands who actually apply his teachings are living proof. Dollar and the others similar to WOF are teaching it the way the Bible says it. Poor men preach poverty is a blessing, so the poor hold onto every dime they can, and remain servants to dimes, unable to give a dollar to any good cause. The numbers prove that, counting up the poor and powerless.

Giving apart from the terms of proper giving is a useless activity, devoid of blessing.

Hate tithing? Hate biblical offerings? Hate people who are giving away millions a year to other people? What else is hated here?

 

[Grandpa]

I like Creflo Dollar.

If I had an extra Gulfstream in the hangar I probably would have donated it to him.

Unfortunately, there are only so many planes in the hangar I can really part with. Well, no planes... No hangar, either. But a guy can dream.

How awesome would it be to be able to give something that big to someone who needed it? Or who would really value it?

 

[JesusIsAll]

That complaint reminds me of too many people I've heard curse rich Christians while defending George Soros, Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton, and other liberal radicals who are getting rich off the poor, and strong-arming corporations by threatening racial troubles if not obeying them. Why must Christians never be wealthy? There's no commandment prohibiting that, though one particular rich young man caught Jesus' attention. A rich man supplied his tomb. Should Jesus have refused to arise from that one, leaving it for use by a wicked man instead?

It wasn't about a state of wealth I was commenting on, at all, rather fake gospels, appealing to carnal, itching ears, merchandising Christ, and making merchandise of Christians. I see no semblance to the New Testament church, rather they bring much reproach upon the faith. You have a right to your opinion, we are going to have to agree to disagree, as what I see is polar opposite of what you see.

 

[Joshua_Generation]

That complaint reminds me of too many people I've heard curse rich Christians while defending George Soros, Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton, and other liberal radicals who are getting rich off the poor, and strong-arming corporations by threatening racial troubles if not obeying them. Why must Christians never be wealthy? There's no commandment prohibiting that, though one particular rich young man caught Jesus' attention. A rich man supplied his tomb. Should Jesus have refused to arise from that one, leaving it for use by a wicked man instead?

For the record, most mega church preachers like Dollar have been investigated sufficiently. Dollar and others don't take a dime of salary from churches. They sell media materials they authored, which are wildly popular. From what I've read most donate a huge part of their sales. it's apparent to me they are being blessed by God just like the Lord taught them it should be.

Would you have condemned Abraham for his wealth in his day, or worse today? It was enormous, and so was that of Job. If not, why not? Abraham was a friend of God. Are you? Is there some jealousy or covetousness at hand among those condemning people blessed by God?

Some folks here hate the idea of tithing to support ministry. They like the idea of tipping a church a few bucks once in a while, calling that a freewill offering that pleases God. But when a call goes out for an offering of any amount, they are offended, yet obviously are tuning in as free-loaders worried some poor widow will not be blessed for giving a dollar. How else shall anyone know of needs of ministries, but that ministers ask for offerings?

if anyone gives an offering according to the terms of 2 Cor 9, then they will be blessed to the extent of 2 Corinthians 9:10-11 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] Now he that ministereth seed to the sower both minister bread for your food, and multiply your seed sown, and increase the fruits of your righteousness
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Being enriched in every thing to all bountifulness, which causeth through us thanksgiving to God.

Else the scriptures are a lie, and we all just stay home without hope. Not me! Dollar and thousands who actually apply his teachings are living proof. Dollar and the others similar to WOF are teaching it the way the Bible says it. Poor men preach poverty is a blessing, so the poor hold onto every dime they can, and remain servants to dimes, unable to give a dollar to any good cause. The numbers prove that, counting up the poor and powerless.

Giving apart from the terms of proper giving is a useless activity, devoid of blessing.

Hate tithing? Hate biblical offerings? Hate people who are giving away millions a year to other people? What else is hated here?

Robert Morris is the ideal giver and receiver and you never hear any controversy surrounding him. Why is that?

 

[atwhatcost]

I like Creflo Dollar.

If I had an extra Gulfstream in the hangar I probably would have donated it to him.

Unfortunately, there are only so many planes in the hangar I can really part with. Well, no planes... No hangar, either. But a guy can dream.

How awesome would it be to be able to give something that big to someone who needed it? Or who would really value it?

I need my house fixed. We're only talking $25,000 but let's call that seed money. Hey! I'll give you actual seeds hyacinth bean runners. Pretty flowers followed by pretty seed pods. Deal?

 

[Grandpa]

I need my house fixed. We're only talking $25,000 but let's call that seed money. Hey! I'll give you actual seeds hyacinth bean runners. Pretty flowers followed by pretty seed pods. Deal?

I'm actually running a little short right this moment...

But my Father in Heaven owns the cattle on a thousand hills. Perhaps He would help you.

I wish I could just give you $25,000 just because you asked for it. That would be awesome.

 

[Angela53510]

Since this thread is about Creflo Dollar's Jet, let us talk about that.

I see a lot of defense of this man, and it is constantly cited that these WoF televangelists do not take donations, and use their own money for their homes, etc. which they earn from the sales of their books and merchandise (Also fleecing the faithful, but let's not go there for a moment.)

The fact is, Dollar was begging for funds and donations for his jet.

Minister Creflo Dollar asks for $60 million for a jet - CNN.com

I realize he travels around the world, but the gospel he spreads is the Health and Wealth, not the gospel of Jesus Christ, died and resurrected.

As far as theology, besides the fact that he preaches a false gospel, he also denies the divinity of Christ. That makes him worse than a false teacher, but a true heretic, in every sense of orthodox Christianity.

[video=youtube_share;0vkeVhQo7MY]http://youtu.be/0vkeVhQo7MY[/video]

 

[JesusIsAll]

Since this thread is about Creflo Dollar's Jet, let us talk about that.

I see a lot of defense of this man, and it is constantly cited that these WoF televangelists do not take donations, and use their own money for their homes, etc. which they earn from the sales of their books and merchandise (Also fleecing the faithful, but let's not go there for a moment.)

The fact is, Dollar was begging for funds and donations for his jet.

Minister Creflo Dollar asks for $60 million for a jet - CNN.com

I realize he travels around the world, but the gospel he spreads is the Health and Wealth, not the gospel of Jesus Christ, died and resurrected.

As far as theology, besides the fact that he preaches a false gospel, he also denies the divinity of Christ. That makes him worse than a false teacher, but a true heretic, in every sense of orthodox Christianity.

He's just another huckster. Religion is the ultimate con. It's legal, even tax free, in the main, a perfect setup for con men and women. Con artists, who are clever, skilled and deceptive carnal people, with no fear of God, would be out of their minds to engage in illegal cons, if they could swing doing legal, protected religion, under the big top. Avoid accounting fraud, and it's the "high life" in the name of Jesus. In the end, they're just career infomercials, the denouement to get their fingers in peoples' pockets. I pity anybody without the eyes to see this, as there are a lot of them. You'd think as many as have been busted would make things clearer to people, but there's a sucker born every minute. And they are a diverse collection of circus acts. The love of money is the root of all evil, and one day there are those who are going to be doing a "Lord! Lord!" chorus, who'd better enjoy it now.

Matthew 16:26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

 

[Danacovert82]

I don't like him anymore. Why? Cause of all the crap that's always said about him. Whenever I get to liking someone I get attacked from behind and get told I'm wrong for liking them. I've liked the following TV evangelists: Joel Osteen(10 different times), Joyce meyer(5 different times), Kenneth Copeland, Rick Warren, Creflo, and Charles Stanley. That's six different ones. But I like who I like and you like who you like. Here's a link to a video that will expose this man and this man only for what he's not. Be prepared for it.



that's the video that made me not like him anymore. I'm done with him. I'll get into heaven for all the right reasons.[video=youtube_share;C8k8qCllIiE]http://youtu.be/C8k8qCllIiE[/video]

 

[crossnote]

I don't like him anymore. Why? Cause of all the crap that's always said about him. Whenever I get to liking someone I get attacked from behind and get told I'm wrong for liking them. I've liked the following TV evangelists: Joel Osteen(10 different times), Joyce meyer(5 different times), Kenneth Copeland, Rick Warren, Creflo, and Charles Stanley. That's six different ones. But I like who I like and you like who you like. Here's a link to a video that will expose this man and this man only for what he's not. Be prepared for it.



that's the video that made me not like him anymore. I'm done with him. I'll get into heaven for all the right reasons.

Stanley? Ok, 1 out of 7 not too good.

 

[atwhatcost]

I'm actually running a little short right this moment...

But my Father in Heaven owns the cattle on a thousand hills. Perhaps He would help you.

I wish I could just give you $25,000 just because you asked for it. That would be awesome.

Just as long as you don't give me the cattle on a thousand hills. Our yard is only 16 feet by 16 feet, so it would be a tight fit. That, and I'm too old to milk cows.

 

[breno785au]

Threads like these and the latest Joyce Meyer one makes the morale in this place drop right through the floor. People getting off on their opinions of others, it's really saddening.

 

[atwhatcost]

Threads like these and the latest Joyce Meyer one makes the morale in this place drop right through the floor. People getting off on their opinions of others, it's really saddening.

Does this mean you won't be sending me cattle too? (And, whew! Thanks! If you don't. lol)

On a more serious note, Christians are to judge. If not us, then who, until God does final judging?
1. Cor. 6:1 When one of you has a grievance against another, does he dare go to law before the unrighteous instead of the saints? 2 Or do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world is to be judged by you, are you incompetent to try trivial cases? 3 Do you not know that we are to judge angels? How much more, then, matters pertaining to this life! 4 So if you have such cases, why do you lay them before those who have no standing in the church? 5 I say this to your shame. Can it be that there is no one among you wise enough to settle a dispute between the brothers, 6 but brother goes to law against brother, and that before unbelievers? 7 To have lawsuits at all with one another is already a defeat for you. Why not rather suffer wrong? Why not rather be defrauded? 8 But you yourselves wrong and defraud—even your own brothers!9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous[b] will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified,you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
Are we supposed to sit back and just let these conman cheat people out of their money in the name of the Lord?

What's the difference between what you just did and what this thread is about -- other than Creflo Dollar IS a scammer?

I do get a kick out of how people judge others for judging without noticing the obvious. (I saw a flaw in the Joyce Meyer's post, but didn't think it was my place to judge that one. What criteria do you use to decide when you should judge brothers?)

 

[gb9]

I guess I try to look at it like this: if a brother or sister consistently do or on here say something off-base then I would call that wrong. but I try not to jump all over singular mistakes. we all make them.

 

[Richie_2uk]

In america especially, there is this culture of Preachers has wrapped a good sermon, a good preach were Money is the base and root of it all. People then get too clingy, too attached to a certain preacher, and then when or if a preacher makes a mistake, or accident or on purpose,, they have the people to back them up to help the preacher feel less guilty, and they carry on regardless.

I'm not saying all preachers are like that. But I think we can question these preachers and ask them were they going with there messages, or words they speak, and we can challenge them to scripture. Not judging them, but in hope they are corrected and not being mislead so that the misleading wont be passed on to the followers.

Most preachers go off the rails, some without realising, some they know but cant stop,, some by accident, but rather judge them, pray for them, in hope they see sense and hope they turn to God themselves.

But we do have to be vigilant when watching these preachers, As money is there main priority, and they will wrap there sermons, words and messages around it. to cover there bad doings.

 

[JesusIsAll]

Threads like these and the latest Joyce Meyer one makes the morale in this place drop right through the floor. People getting off on their opinions of others, it's really saddening.

Why are you in such a funk over Creflo Dollar? Maybe we need more legalism and works salvation threads? Or do you prefer sabbath threads? Soul sleep and annihilation threads? Some juicy Trinity denial? Or maybe you'd like to go an entirely new direction, do some praise threads for elephants, knife throwers and bearded ladies?

Sorry is you find this thread a bummer, among such an, otherwise, sterling collection. The problem with people like me is that I prefer and prize truth, and you sometimes windup with such pesky buggers in a CHRISTIAN FORUM.

 

[JesusIsAll]

I guess I try to look at it like this: if a brother or sister consistently do or on here say something off-base then I would call that wrong. but I try not to jump all over singular mistakes. we all make them.

So, I take it you would consider consistently being con artists a problem? As to the OP, for those supporting the likes of Joyce Meyer and Creflo Dollar, could you please provide an analysis of how much of their mansions with swimming pools for Jesus and the like came from hawking their wares and hitting the public up for money on television, as opposed to naming it and claiming it sources, or many fold returns out of nowhere? If they're telling the truth, it would have to be the case that sticking their fingers in peoples' pockets would be a paltry source of income, right? Then, they could just leave TV and grow their "ministries" to huge proportions, right? So why don't they?