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Based on assumptions of uncertain private interpretation of prophetic riddles which others in the body of Christ interpret to mean things entirely different.
-do you not believe we can become kings and priests in the future?

6And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father;
to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

Revelation 20:2
And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil,
and Satan, and bound him [a thousand years],

Revelation 20:3
And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him,
that he should deceive the nations no more, [till the thousand years should be fulfilled]:
and after that he must be loosed a little season.

Revelation 20:4
And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them:
and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God,
and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark
upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived [and reigned with Christ a thousand years].

Revelation 20:6
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection:
on such the second death hath no power,
but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, [and shall reign with him a thousand years].

-the bibles certain interpretation of prophetic riddle says we will be, in plain english.
and this has not happened yet, againest your uncertain private interpretation it started allready,

you would be off by a 1000 years
 

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Please follow the thought process. LOL :confused:
- She does not believe in the 1000 year reign of Christ on earth in the future,:(


that is why I made the remark

and we can be kings and priests , and reign with Christ for 1000 years.
 
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The true remnant followers of Jesus Christ are simply those who are born again.
I dislike the phrase born again , it is missleading and gives the wrong impression,
One will certainly know when they are born again, they will be spirit.

Joh 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee,
Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Joh 3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old?
can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?

Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water
and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Joh 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Joh 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
Joh 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst
not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

-One does not inherit the Kingdom in the flesh...

1Co 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit
the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

-Flesh and blood are visible. So if you are still flesh and blood,
you have not inherited the Kingdom and therefore are not born again.

1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound,
and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Paul explains when, at the last trump. We will be CHANGED to spirit, changed
such that we do not see corruption. Changed to immortal.

For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

1Co 15:53-corruptible:G5349
From G5351; decayed, that is, (by implication) perishable: - corruptible.
Total KJV occurrences: 6

incorruption:G861
From G862; incorruptibility; generally unending existence; (figuratively) genuineness:
- immortality, incorruption, sincerity. Total KJV occurrences: 8

mortal:G2349
From G2348; liable to die: - mortal (-ity). Total KJV occurrences: 6

immortality:G110
From a compound of G1 (as a negative particle) and G2288; deathlessness:
- immortality.Total KJV occurrences: 3

It will be quite evident at the resurrection when one is BORN again.
Now if you want to discuss [being begotten], that is something that does occur in this lifetime.

1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God,
which liveth and abideth for ever.

The word used here for "Being born again" is: G313
From G303 and G1080; to beget or (by extension) bear (again): - beget, (bear) X again.
Total KJV occurrences: 2

-It means begettal, not birth. If you don't understand the difference, ask someones wife,
if she has had children, she will make it very clear to you there is a BIG difference.

That which is born of the flesh is flesh: in a physical birth, we are physical beings.
But that which is born of the Spirit is spirit: in a spiritual birth, we are spiritual beings!

-As long as we have flesh that is subject to decay, we cannot enter the Kingdom.
We enter the Kingdom at the resurrection..., but are begotten now, only heirs

1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits;

afterward they that are Christ's [at his coming]. read that again.

-To be born of the spirit is made plain in this passage...

1Co 15:35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
1Co 15:36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:

1Co 15:37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be,
but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:

1Co 15:38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
1Co 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

1Co 15:43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
1Co 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body.

-There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

2Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be:
but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
 

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When Ephraim and Manasseh are seen as Old Testament representations of Gentile and Jew, we need to see the list of tribes of the 144,000 as having significance. Ephraim is not mentioned, and Joseph takes Ephraim's place.

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the priests of God, from the Levi tribe, mingled with other tribes not having there own land.

Joseph was given a double portion to bring it back to twelve.


was judas replaced to make twelve apostles
 
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Romans 11:17-24
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And ifsome of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
[SUP]21[/SUP]For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And they also, **if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?

Jesus' words, not Paul's
Matthew 15:7-9
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
[SUP]8 [/SUP]This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Hebrews 7:11, 14,18 and 19
[SUP]11 [/SUP]If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

The writer in Hebrews is clearly referring to the Levitical priesthood that made nothing perfect and it was therefore considered as weak. It is the duty of the priest to exact the law of God whether from the tribe of Levi or the tribe of Judah. Levi was weak and was replaced with a "better hope," being the Priesthood of Judah. That Priesthood is perfect in Christ, Him being the High Priest of the New Covenant.

The law wasn't disannulled according to the words of the High Priest of the New Covenant. It was the Levitical priesthood that was disannulled due to their failure to guarantee eternal life such as the New Covenant Priest being Christ Jesus. Same law, different administrator.

"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil." Matthew 5:17

Destroy is comparable to disannulling. Fulfill is comparable to administrating.
Just-me, and Elin,

Calling each other 'confused' accomplishes little beyond irritating each other. I disagree with much of what Just-me has posted;but I have no doubt that you both fully understand your positions, and both hold them sincerely. Neither of you is likely to persuade each other of very much by trading insults and jibes, IMO.

However if both of you consider it worthwhile to irritate each other for the mental exercise; I suppose that the rest of us will have to stand back and watch or ignore as we are led. If so, HAVE AT IT!
Do you agree or disagree with this quote of mine from post 117? I won't counter if you don't, just wanted to know. Where have I called Elin "confused?" I cannot find that I did that. See these posts.

post 88
post 108
 

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-do you not believe we can become kings and priests in the future?

6And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father;
to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
Firstly this is talking about the saints on earth NOW so it is true for us already. Secondly the Greek is literally; 'has made us a kingly rule, even priests to our God'.

Revelation 20:2
And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil,
and Satan, and bound him [a thousand years],

Revelation 20:3
And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him,
that he should deceive the nations no more, [till the thousand years should be fulfilled]:
and after that he must be loosed a little season.

This occurred as a consequence of Christ's victory over Satan during His ministry and through the cross and resurrection. Satan as the king of the angels will be released towards the end of this age - Rev 9.11.


Revelation 20:4
And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them:
and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God,
and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark
upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived [and reigned with Christ a thousand years].
These are the SOULS of those who have died in Christ. they are living and reigning with Christ NOW just as we who are on earth are living and reigning with Christ now (Eph 2.5-6)..

Revelation 20:6
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection:
on such the second death hath no power,
but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, [and shall reign with him a thousand years].
The first resurrection in which both they and we have taken part is the resurrection of Christ. We live and reign with Him NOW' having had our part in His resurrection (Rom 6.2-11; Eph 2.5-6; Col 3.1-3) awaiting the general resurrection (the second resurrection)
 
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the priests of God, from the Levi tribe, mingled with other tribes not having there own land.

Joseph was given a double portion to bring it back to twelve.


was judas replaced to make twelve apostles
So you are happy that God has excluded the whole tribe of DAN? I think not. The names of Dan and Ephraim were excluded because of their connection with idolatry. Rphtaim's replacement by Joseph clearly demonstrates that the numbers are symbolic.
 

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So you are happy that God has excluded the whole tribe of DAN? I think not. The names of Dan and Ephraim were excluded because of their connection with idolatry. Rphtaim's replacement by Joseph clearly demonstrates that the numbers are symbolic.
Thus saith the Lord God; This shall be the border, whereby ye shall inherit the land according
to the twelve tribes of Israel: Joseph shall have two portions.

yes there is a difference between the land and the sealed
 
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The first resurrection in which both they and we have taken part is the resurrection of Christ. We live and reign with Him NOW' having had our part in His resurrection (Rom 6.2-11; Eph 2.5-6; Col 3.1-3) awaiting the general resurrection (the second resurrection)
So you have been resurrected, this has taken place, and 2nd another general recurrection comming,

no this evil worlds kingdoms of men is not ruled by Christ, just read the news.

so do you have a bible verse for this secret recurrection you took part of.


- these verses say a thousand years, Christ died in 31ad, and 1000 years later is?

you do know the year is 2015, allmost 1000 years to long for your interpretation.
 
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I stand by my statements.
after 70ad or before 70ad.
were they save in the same day. or year. is what i asked.
so you just proved, my statement with your play on words.

anyone with common sense, can say that even christian today are saved in new testament. or new covenant.
by believing in jesus. at the time of the start,of gentiles and jewish being saved was whole lot different to your statement. is some what different to today. ie temple of stone.

the same as saying you were once an unbeliever till, the time you believed. so there must be a changing point. even common sense. knows there has to be a time and date. to change.
and yet you mist the repent part, again with your play on words. acts 2 and acts 10 to acts 15.

so again you have no different time frame in your quote. or the difference between a jew or a gentile. at the beginning of the new covenant, you were already quoted this before. you edited it out to your quote.

without the difference, you miss the beginning.
 
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Just-me, and Elin,

Calling each other 'confused' accomplishes little beyond irritating each other. I disagree with much of what Just-me has posted;but I have no doubt that you both fully understand your positions, and both hold them sincerely. Neither of you is likely to persuade each other of very much by trading insults and jibes, IMO.

However if both of you consider it worthwhile to irritate each other for the mental exercise; I suppose that the rest of us will have to stand back and watch or ignore as we are led. If so, HAVE AT IT!
Help me out and present a post that I have made using the word "confused" toward Elin. Like all of us, we should discern our faults concerning what is brought to light by our fellowman that can be proven.
 
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God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; (Hebrews 1:1-2)

God spoke to us through Jesus Christ, and Christ Jesus is the Creator of all things who also spoke to "the fathers by the prophets."

He didn't change His mission from the beginning to achieve the end result.

We should never insinuate that He had to invent a New Testimony (Testament) because the old one didn't work.
The old was necessary to pre-empt the new
You are so confused. . .

The words spoken by the prophets of old in the incomplete OT revelation pre-empts
the words spoken by the Son in these last days in the complete revelation of the NT writers?


You don't understand Heb 1:1-4.

Elin said:
More shoehorning. . .

**Ro 11:25 - "And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in."

Paul states the opportunity is to repent of their unbelief.

Please show where Paul states
the opportunity is "to repent from their unscriptural rituals."
It's verse 23, not verse 25
Oops! . . .sorry about that.

Non-responsive to the question.

You are so confused. . .

The NT states that the law given to the people (Heb 7:11)
was set aside because it was weak and useless to make perfect (Heb 7:18-19)
and a better hope (than the law which only condemned) was introduced
by which we draw near to God, the new covenant (Heb 7:18-19).
Romans 11:17-24
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
[SUP]21[/SUP]For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And they also, **if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?

Jesus' words, not Paul's
Matthew 15:7-9
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
[SUP]8 [/SUP]This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Agreed. . .all the words of the NT are the words spoken by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2) through the NT writers, all are God-breathed (2Tim 3:16) and of equal authority to the church.

Hebrews 7:11, 14,18 and 19
[SUP]11 [/SUP]If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

The writer in Hebrews is clearly referring to the Levitical priesthood that made nothing perfect and it was therefore considered as weak. It is the duty of the priest to exact the law of God whether from the tribe of Levi or the tribe of Judah.
You are so confused. . .

It was the sacrifices offered by the priests which could not take away sin (Heb 10:4) and
the Mosaic regulations regarding cleansing of defilement that could make nothing perfect.
Therefore, the Mosaic regulations and the old covenant were set aside (Heb 7:18-19, 8:13), and a better hope in the new covenant, which makes perfect by justification (right standing with God) through faith in Jesus Christ, was introduced.


Levi was weak and was replaced
Which had nothing to do with "exacting the law of God," and everything to do with
not being "holy, blameless, pure, set apart from sinners" (Heb 7:26) and, therefore,
required the High Priest to offer sacrifices for his own sin, as well as for the sin of the people (Heb 7:27).

with a "better hope," being the Priesthood of Judah.
You are so confused. . .

Jesus is the eternal High Priest of the priesthood in the order of Melchizedek, which bars any other priesthood, for
there is no law of Moses establishing priests of Judah (Heb 7:14), and there are not two priesthoods.
That man-made notion contrary to Scripture was created to agree with private uncertain interpretations of prophetic riddles which duplicate many events in the NT, so as not to contradict the NT's certain teaching on the event.

Him being the High Priest of the New Covenant.
Jesus is the eternal High Priest of the order of Melchizedek, the priesthood of the new covenant,
as well as the Mediator of the new covenant.
Jesus' priesthood in the order of Melchizedek replaces the Levitical priesthood and the Mosaic mediatorship of the old covenant.

The law wasn't disannulled according to the words of the High Priest of the New Covenant. It was the Levitical priesthood that was disannulled due to their failure to guarantee eternal life such as the New Covenant Priest being Christ Jesus. Same law, different administrator.
You are so confused. . .

The Levitical priesthood was changed (Heb 7:12) because its High Priest could not be "holy, blameless, pure, set apart from sinners" (Heb7:26), because he was a sinner.
The atoning sacrifice necessary to satisfy the justice of God had to be a perfect sacrifice offered by a perfect High Priest.

"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil." Matthew 5:17
Destroy is comparable to disannulling. Fulfill is comparable to administrating.
Actually, fulfill is "completing, accomplishing, finishing," all of which are precisely what Jesus did.
 
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Although Jewish and Christians traditions deem that the Gentiles are under a different covenant than the Jews, the fact of the matter is: there is only One Kingdom, One Messiah, and One covenant. There can never be one law for one person and a different law for another within a “United Kingdom.” This doctrine of separation is absolutely absurd thinking and foolish to postulate, yet it is a very common theme within (both) Jewish and Christian religions throughout the entire world. The big question in the first century was not a matter of “if,” but “when” would the Gentiles begin to bear righteous fruit, waiting for the law to be written on their hearts.

When Gentiles enter into the “Kingdom of God” after their previous life of carnality, pagan practices unbeknownst to them, or possibly polytheism they have ascribed to, and all manner of “lawlessness," the logic reasoning would suggest that people need time to grow in Torah and develop an understanding of what it means to have the “law written on our heart.”

Jesus said; “The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.” (Matthew 21:43)

Therefore, if the “Kingdom of God” were to be taken from the Pharisees for denying the “corner stone” who is Jesus Christ, then it would also make it impossible for Gentiles to bear fruit for denying, or distorting God's original instructions in the Torah, the same as the Pharisees practiced.

John 5:44-47
44 How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?
45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.
46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me.
47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?
 
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Just-me, and Elin,

Calling each other 'confused' accomplishes little beyond irritating each other. I disagree with much of what Just-me has posted;but I have no doubt that you both fully understand your positions, and both hold them sincerely. Neither of you is likely to persuade each other of very much by trading insults and jibes, IMO.

However if both of you consider it worthwhile to irritate each other for the mental exercise; I suppose that the rest of us will have to stand back and watch or ignore as we are led. If so, HAVE AT IT!
I hear you, Marc.

I'm having a very hard time believing that he is that uninformed or misinformed.

I'm wondering what else is going on.
 
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What will Gods government be ?

God will be head over all

God Almighty—the Father of Jesus Christ—is Supreme Lawgiver,
and Head over Christ, and over all that is.
As it has been for all eternity. . .
 
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-do you not believe we can become kings and priests in the future?

6And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father;
to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

Revelation 20:2
And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil,
and Satan, and bound him [a thousand years],

Revelation 20:3
And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him,
that he should deceive the nations no more, [till the thousand years should be fulfilled]:
and after that he must be loosed a little season.

Revelation 20:4
And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them:
and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God,
and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark
upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived [and reigned with Christ a thousand years].

Revelation 20:6
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection:
on such the second death hath no power,

but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, [and shall reign with him a thousand years].

-the bibles certain interpretation of prophetic riddle
says we will be, in plain english.
and this has not happened yet, againest your uncertain private interpretation it started allready,

you would be off by a 1000 years
What you call the Bible's "interpretation of riddles" are the actual riddles themselves, for they may be interpreted differently.

The NT teaches only one physical resurrection, at the end of time.

I don't defend private uncertain interpretation of prophetic riddles.

Only what Scripture teaches, understood in the light of the whole counsel of God, is certain.
 
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Although Jewish and Christians traditions deem that the Gentiles are under a different covenant than the Jews, the fact of the matter is: there is only One Kingdom, One Messiah, and One covenant. There can never be one law for one person and a different law for another within a “United Kingdom.” This doctrine of separation is absolutely absurd thinking and foolish to postulate, yet it is a very common theme within (both) Jewish and Christian religions throughout the entire world. The big question in the first century was not a matter of “if,” but “when” would the Gentiles begin to bear righteous fruit, waiting for the law to be written on their hearts.

When Gentiles enter into the “Kingdom of God” after their previous life of carnality, pagan practices unbeknownst to them, or possibly polytheism they have ascribed to, and all manner of “lawlessness," the logic reasoning would suggest that people need time to grow in Torah and develop an understanding of what it means to have the “law written on our heart.”

Jesus said; “The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.” (Matthew 21:43)

Therefore, if the “Kingdom of God” were to be taken from the Pharisees for denying the “corner stone” who is Jesus Christ, then it would also make it impossible for Gentiles to bear fruit for denying, or distorting God's original instructions in the Torah, the same as the Pharisees practiced.
Your conclusion ("then") does not follow your premise ("if").

 

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This occurred as a consequence of Christ's victory over Satan
during His ministry and through the cross and resurrection.
Satan as the king of the angels will be released towards the end of this age
Revelation 20:2 -Christ returns and binds him [a thousand years],
Revelation 20:3 -sealed till 1000 years are fulfilled, then reliesed a little while.

1 Peter 5:8
Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion,
walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

Proverbs 28:15
As a roaring lion, and a ranging bear; so is a wicked ruler over the poor people.

-please explain why 1 Peter 5:8 says the devil is still causing trouble on earth now,
after Christ arose? there is still wicked rulers over the poor people.

Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen
the poor of this world rich in faith, [and heirs of the kingdom]
which he hath promised to them that love him?

-heirs of the kingdom

Revelation 11:15
And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying,

The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ;
and he shall reign for ever and ever.

-the seventh angel has not sounded, a few woes to the earth and his return .


Jeremiah 31:34
And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother,
saying, Know the Lord: [for they shall all know me],from the least of them unto the greatest of them,
saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Matthew 24:14
And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for
a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.