Be perfect (Matthew 5:43-48)

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resurrection33 said:
Jesus commanded us to repent of our sin:

From that time Jesus began to preach, saying, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." Matt 4:17 RSV

I know from experience that when I resist temptation, I am happy, and when I don’t, I am not happy.
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Where all of your sins paid for on the cross - or not?

If so, there is nothing left to atone for.
 
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Budman said:
Where all of your sins paid for on the cross - or not?

If so, there is nothing left to atone for.
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Yes, the Lord died for our sins on the cross. He also commanded us to repent. Are we not to obey?
 
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resurrection33 said:
I know from experience that when I resist temptation, I am happy, and when I don’t, I am not happy.
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That's the Holy Spirit working in you, edifying and sanctifying you. Yet even though you sinned, your salvation is never compromised or in question.
 
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Utah said:
That's the Holy Spirit working in you, edifying and sanctifying you. Yet even though you sinned, your salvation is never compromised or in question.
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Yes, I agree, but the Lord's discipline can be very harsh if we wait too long to repent of our sin.
 
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Yes, I agree, but the Lord's discipline can be very harsh if we wait too long to repent of our sin.
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I know that all too well, Brother. June 27, 1993 is a day I'll never forget.
 
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resurrection33 said:
Yes, the Lord died for our sins on the cross. He also commanded us to repent. Are we not to obey?
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You already KNOW the answer to that question.... do you think "lack" of conviction might be a clue here?
 
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seed_time_harvest said:
Do you believe in works for salvation even after reading John 3:16?
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I believe that only righteousness will inherit the life, and how can everyone can be righteousness without works of righteousness.

If we do not do works of righteousness, then we do something else, and if we do something else, than righteousness then how can we be servant of righteousness, if we even do not actually do righteousness?

We all do something, and according to that something what we do, we get paid.

This should be not so hard to understand.
 
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If you believe your salvation is based on how well you live, then to be blunt, hell awaits.
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12. Behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to render to each man according as his work is. (Revelation 22:12)

Be ready for this.
 
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MikkoAinasoja said:
I believe that only righteousness will inherit the life, and how can everyone can be righteousness without works of righteousness.
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John 3:16 says that whoever believes and there is nothing about works there.
I think you are talking about the flesh.Living holy while still alive and in the body that has not yet been glorified here on earth.

If you believe the WORD of GOD this should not be hard to understand.
 
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mailmandan said:
So how many people on here claim to be sinless, without fault or defect, flawless 100% of the time just like God the Father? Are we actually perfect "in that sense?" NO. Matthew 5:48 - Be Perfect - AT Robertson points out - Perfect (teleioi). The word comes from telo, end, goal, limit. Here it is the goal set before us, the absolute standard of our Heavenly Father. The word is used also for relative perfection as of adults compared with children.

So absolute perfection, sinless, without fault or defect for us will not become a reality until we are present with the Lord, but that is the goal to strive for. Yet teleioi is also used to refer to the maturity of an adult, which is the end or aim to which the child points. Thus it denotes those who have attained the full development of innate powers, in contrast to those who are still in the undeveloped state (children). Would we call this relative perfection?

James 1:4 says - But let patience have its perfect work, that you may be perfect and complete, lacking nothing.

James 3:2 says - For we all stumble in many things. If anyone does not stumble in word, he is a perfect man, able also to bridle the whole body. Perfect in regards to relative perfection both passages?

James 2:22 says - Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? The NASB says "was perfected," the ESV says "faith was completed by his works."

So depending on how the word "perfect" is used in Scripture, it may refer to "absolute perfection" or "relative perfection?"
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Or it may just mean complete........
 
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seed_time_harvest said:
John 3:16 says that whoever believes and there is nothing about works there.
I think you are talking about the flesh.Living holy while still alive and in the body that has not yet been glorified here on earth.

If you believe the WORD of GOD this should not be hard to understand.
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Who ever believe he also hear the Lord, and follow example of him.

I believe and that's why I do works, because I believe.
 
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seed_time_harvest said:
John 3:16 says that whoever believes and there is nothing about works there.
I think you are talking about the flesh.Living holy while still alive and in the body that has not yet been glorified here on earth.

If you believe the WORD of GOD this should not be hard to understand.
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The most important thing is to have love, and if our love is nothing more that just words, but nothing more, then our love is not like it should be.

If we fail the love, we fail everything.
 
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MikkoAinasoja said:
12. Behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to render to each man according as his work is. (Revelation 22:12)

Be ready for this.
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Notice He says He is bringing "reward" with Him. These are our rewards that will be given at the Judgement Seat - it has nothing to do with salvation. Our salvation is secure.

"If any man's work is burned up, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire." (1 Corinthians 3:15)
 
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peacefulbeliever said:
In relationship to how we are to love others . . . love being the context.
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Amen sister! I was just thinking about that word "therefore" and wondering what it was there for. It is pointing us to the context.
 
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MikkoAinasoja said:
I do not think that I am saved yet.

The run is on, and the finish is dead, and after that our Lord will give me according to my lived life.
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Would it be ok for you to say, "I am redeemed"?
 
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