The Great Deception and falling away!

[Yet]

I've been reading that not only are the multi million dollar preachers are masons planted by the illuminate, but many 'pastors' are Masonic plants as well. Anybody else picking up on this?
That would explain a lot of things as well. Why a poor person filled with the Spirit and sold out the whole route can't even get the time of day out of many 'pastors' let alone a chance to use their gift. 'Be filled, be warmed, be gone'!

Like the Boy Scouts of America being incrementally infiltrated by homosexual deviants over the course of many years, recently had the 79 percent okee dokee vote to welcome with warm arms and slobbering lips homosexuals and transsexuals as troop leaders for these little boys, (who would have seen that one coming?) the illuminate, as well, infiltrating
christen-dumb with masons maskuerading as 'pastors' and TV evangelists.
This would clearly explain all the satanic doctrine being vomited upon the body of Christ such as, 'we are gods', 'God wants you rich', 'we bow to Rome and Islam by association', 'we talk to the dead...Awesome Benny', 'Muslims worship the same God as us...Hillsong',
'Homosexuality ......no problem for some...Carlton Pierson, Carman's 'pastor' at one time', 'Jesus didn't come as Messiah...Hagee', 'Jesus didn't pay for sin on cross...He paid for it burning in hell'.etc., etc., etc., ad nauseum.
All for the purpose of leading the true believers into the one world religion! So as the world goes, so go the sheep!

A great apostasy(falling away), then the man of sin will be revealed. Things are being made real warm and welcoming for this devil to appear!

I wonder about some on this site? Watch me get the boot here. Titus 1:11, There are many.....deceivers ....whose mouths must be stopped, teaching things they ought not (for what? I can't imagine) for big money!

We are to expose them according to the word. Ephesians 5:11 ....and have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness but rather reprove(expose) them.

But watch, many here will deny His word!

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

I've been reading that not only are the multi million dollar preachers are masons planted by the illuminate, but many 'pastors' are Masonic plants as well. Anybody else picking up on this?

No, but then again, I don't go to wild-eyed, run-amok, conspiracy theorist crazies' websites.

 

[Gr8grace]

I've been reading that not only are the multi million dollar preachers are masons planted by the illuminate, but many 'pastors' are Masonic plants as well. Anybody else picking up on this?
That would explain a lot of things as well. Why a poor person filled with the Spirit and sold out the whole route can't even get the time of day out of many 'pastors' let alone a chance to use their gift. 'Be filled, be warmed, be gone'!

Like the Boy Scouts of America being incrementally infiltrated by homosexual deviants over the course of many years, recently had the 79 percent okee dokee vote to welcome with warm arms and slobbering lips homosexuals and transsexuals as troop leaders for these little boys, (who would have seen that one coming?) the illuminate, as well, infiltrating
christen-dumb with masons maskuerading as 'pastors' and TV evangelists.
This would clearly explain all the satanic doctrine being vomited upon the body of Christ such as, 'we are gods', 'God wants you rich', 'we bow to Rome and Islam by association', 'we talk to the dead...Awesome Benny', 'Muslims worship the same God as us...Hillsong',
'Homosexuality ......no problem for some...Carlton Pierson, Carman's 'pastor' at one time', 'Jesus didn't come as Messiah...Hagee', 'Jesus didn't pay for sin on cross...He paid for it burning in hell'.etc., etc., etc., ad nauseum.
All for the purpose of leading the true believers into the one world religion! So as the world goes, so go the sheep!

A great apostasy(falling away), then the man of sin will be revealed. Things are being made real warm and welcoming for this devil to appear!

I wonder about some on this site? Watch me get the boot here. Titus 1:11, There are many.....deceivers ....whose mouths must be stopped, teaching things they ought not (for what? I can't imagine) for big money!

We are to expose them according to the word. Ephesians 5:11 ....and have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness but rather reprove(expose) them.

But watch, many here will deny His word!

Yet, there are a lot of POSITIVE believers still out there. They are not falling for the false teachers and the ways of the world. They are invisible heros. you don't hear about them,they don't make a stink,they don't make a show................they are just positive to the word of God and chug along.


The idiots who fall for all the garbage going on in Christianity.............deserve it and WANT it. We are all believer priests in our OWN priesthood.

These believers who are following this stuff are as just as much at fault as the money hungry "leaders." God gives every believer equal privilege and equal opportunity to grow in truth. Some just are not positive to His word and want their ears tickled.

And if we get stuck on a Christian "cause" and that is our focus..........we are not being positive to His word.


We are better off minding our own business and getting positive to His word and truth and living in His plan for our lives. We bless people with our association if we are positive to His word and truth.

If we are positive and going forward in His plan............He puts His hedge around us.

 

[KennethC]

1 Corinthians 1:10
Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, andthat there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.

There are divisions among us because of the different doctrines that men have introduced into to defile the true word of God, as they add and take away from His word. Anybody who tells you we don't have to follow what is written in Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John and also says that falling away or apostasy is also impossible then they are taking away from the word.

We need to be careful with labeling people a certain way, but false teaching is false teaching and error needs to be called out an addressed. Also another false teaching that needs to be called out and addressed is telling others we have no free will !!!

 

[dcontroversal]

No, but then again, I don't go to wild-eyed, run-amok, conspiracy theorist crazies' websites.

Nor do we drink the Kool-Aid either.........

 

[valiant]

1 Corinthians 1:10
Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, andthat there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.

There are divisions among us because of the different doctrines that men have introduced into to defile the true word of God, as they add and take away from His word.

Yes I know who you mean. That Prophet KennethC is one of them.

Anybody who tells you we don't have to follow what is written in Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John

well at least we agree there.

and also says that falling away or apostasy is also impossible then they are taking away from the word.

Both falling away and apostasy are possible, but only for professing Christians, not possessing ones. Jesus promised of the latter that they would NEVER PERISH. Now who shall we believe? Messiah Jesus Who gave His word or Prophet KennethC who takes away from His word?

We need to be careful with labeling people a certain way, but false teaching is false teaching and error needs to be called out an addressed. Also another false teaching that needs to be called out and addressed is telling others we have no free will !!!

Please give the Bible verse that says we have complete freewill. And don't quote ones which say 'choose'. We all make choices every day without exercising freewill. We do it on the basis of our conditioning and background. Freewill is very much overrated.

 

[KennethC]

Yes I know who you mean. That Prophet KennethC is one of them.



well at least we agree there.




Both falling away and apostasy are possible, but only for professing Christians, not possessing ones. Jesus promised of the latter that they would NEVER PERISH. Now who shall we believe? Messiah Jesus Who gave His word or Prophet KennethC who takes away from His word?



Please give the Bible verse that says we have complete freewill. And don't quote ones which say 'choose'. We all make choices every day without exercising freewill. We do it on the basis of our conditioning and background. Freewill is very much overrated.

First I am not a prophet so please do not label me that way, as all I do is stand up for the pure word of God.....

Not a defiled version that has come form men such as Augustine and Calvin who are one's that both stated falling away is impossible, and Augustine even said apostasy is impossible.

Apostasy means going from the truth to false teachings, and also falling away means you had to be part of something in the first place. One who has a false profession was never in the faith to begin with so they can not fall away for they never had it. You would have to be in the faith of Jesus in order to fall away from it !!!

Making a choice is free will !!!

 

[Gr8grace]

Yes I know who you mean. That Prophet KennethC is one of them.



well at least we agree there.




Both falling away and apostasy are possible, but only for professing Christians, not possessing ones. Jesus promised of the latter that they would NEVER PERISH. Now who shall we believe? Messiah Jesus Who gave His word or Prophet KennethC who takes away from His word?



Please give the Bible verse that says we have complete freewill. And don't quote ones which say 'choose'. We all make choices every day without exercising freewill. We do it on the basis of our conditioning and background. Freewill is very much overrated.

I came from a reformed church and fought em for quite awhile. But the loss of salvation people? They deserve to be called out on it every time. They are the most destructive and damaging believers of all to the body.

But I disagree with 2 of your points here.

Apostasy and falling away can and does happen to true believers. King Saul probably being the most recognizable.

Freewill or personal volition is way bigger than you have described. It is why Jesus Christ bought us and we are not our own anymore............because we can choose to fall away.(King Saul)

We can't freely choose not to die,change gravity or natural laws, but we can sure choose to be negative towards God after we are born again. God Just won't go negative to His children.

 

[KennethC]

I came from a reformed church and fought em for quite awhile. But the loss of salvation people? They deserve to be called out on it every time. They are the most destructive and damaging believers of all to the body.

But I disagree with 2 of your points here.

Apostasy and falling away can and does happen to true believers. King Saul probably being the most recognizable.

Freewill or personal volition is way bigger than you have described. It is why Jesus Christ bought us and we are not our own anymore............because we can choose to fall away.(King Saul)

We can't freely choose not to die,change gravity or natural laws, but we can sure choose to be negative towards God after we are born again. God Just won't go negative to His children.

Why do you think telling the truth from God's word is destructive and damaging ???

There are a number of scriptures that show when one falls away or departs from the faith in Jesus the result at the end if they do not return to the Lord is not eternal life.

Apostle Paul warned believers in tears about being lead away by false teaching (Acts 20:28-31), and said they would not be spared by doing this. James 5:19-20 says if a person who departs from the faith in Jesus does not return to Him their soul will not be saved.

Maybe how some come about speaking to others about this stance is wrong, but I have seen way more on here from the eternal security and osas doctrines being more disrespectful and judgmental then others. Plus there is a bad miss perception going around between what judging and rebuking is, as they intertwine these two when the bible does not.

 

[Gr8grace]

Why do you think telling the truth from God's word is destructive and damaging ???

There are a number of scriptures that show when one falls away or departs from the faith in Jesus the result at the end if they do not return to the Lord is not eternal life.

Apostle Paul warned believers in tears about being lead away by false teaching (Acts 20:28-31), and said they would not be spared by doing this. James 5:19-20 says if a person who departs from the faith in Jesus does not return to Him their soul will not be saved.

Maybe how some come about speaking to others about this stance is wrong, but I have seen way more on here from the eternal security and osas doctrines being more disrespectful and judgmental then others. Plus there is a bad miss perception going around between what judging and rebuking is, as they intertwine these two when the bible does not.

Ken, you nor anyone else can give a verse that says, " you are un-born." or "you have lost your salvation" or " you have lost eternal life." or "you have been UN-justified"

John 5:24 if the formation and beginning verse of eternal security. Plain, simple and straight forward. The "truly,truly" or "Amen,amen" is a way of saying LOOK HERE AND LISTEN WITH THE UTMOST CARE BECAUSE THIS WILL BE ATTACKED BY THE KINGDOM OF DARKNESS!!! satan will twist these words.


New American Standard Bible
"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.

This is NOT a salvation verse, this is the beginning of the doctrine of eternal security......plain,simple and even a child can understand it.

But satan will twist it to mean something else.

 

[KennethC]

Ken, you nor anyone else can give a verse that says, " you are un-born." or "you have lost your salvation" or " you have lost eternal life." or "you have been UN-justified"

John 5:24 if the formation and beginning verse of eternal security. Plain, simple and straight forward. The "truly,truly" or "Amen,amen" is a way of saying LOOK HERE AND LISTEN WITH THE UTMOST CARE BECAUSE THIS WILL BE ATTACKED BY THE KINGDOM OF DARKNESS!!! satan will twist these words.


New American Standard Bible
"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.

This is NOT a salvation verse, this is the beginning of the doctrine of eternal security......plain,simple and even a child can understand it.

But satan will twist it to mean something else.

Once again your exegesis as well as a few others is flawed because you want to see those exact words mentioned, but back in those days how they spoke and lingo they used was different then what we use today.

Born again does not mean a person automatically has salvation, nor is faith and salvation the same.

Faith comes from hearing the word and salvation is the ending result of trusting in what it said and following it as the Lord taught and commanded.

Once again you can not take that verse in John 5:24 apart from Luke 6:46-49, and also John's 1st epistle !!!

In that passage in Luke Jesus shows what "believing in Him" means, and that belief entails doing what He said.
For a true faith is not an inactive faith as James shows in his faith without works is dead, and like I have said before eternal security only works for those who continue in the faith and does not fall away to perdition (Hebrews 10:39).

As even God says those who sin against Him (Exodus 32:33) and take away from His words (Deuteronomy 4:2, Proverbs 30:6, Revelation 22:19) will have their name stricken from the Book of Life, meaning no salvation !!!

In order for eternal security (osas) to work if it applies to all believers and makes falling away impossible, but the word of God refutes that as it clearly shows some will fall away and others will have their names stricken from His book !!!

 

[3Scoreand10]

Once again your exegesis as well as a few others is flawed because you want to see those exact words mentioned, but back in those days how they spoke and lingo they used was different then what we use today.

Born again does not mean a person automatically has salvation, nor is faith and salvation the same.

Faith comes from hearing the word and salvation is the ending result of trusting in what it said and following it as the Lord taught and commanded.

Once again you can not take that verse in John 5:24 apart from Luke 6:46-49, and also John's 1st epistle !!!

In that passage in Luke Jesus shows what "believing in Him" means, and that belief entails doing what He said.
For a true faith is not an inactive faith as James shows in his faith without works is dead, and like I have said before eternal security only works for those who continue in the faith and does not fall away to perdition (Hebrews 10:39).

As even God says those who sin against Him (Exodus 32:33) and take away from His words (Deuteronomy 4:2, Proverbs 30:6, Revelation 22:19) will have their name stricken from the Book of Life, meaning no salvation !!!

In order for eternal security (osas) to work if it applies to all believers and makes falling away impossible, but the word of God refutes that as it clearly shows some will fall away and others will have their names stricken from His book !!!

Well , I am glad my eternal life is in Jesus' hands and not in mine.
My Savior is stronger than yours.

 

[Stephen63]

Let's see...... Can a person leave Canada if they never lived there? No, & it would be stupid to believe you could. The only way to "fall away" is to truly be in Christ first. Imagine fallen sinners "falling away". From what? How much lower can they go? They're already on the bottom with all the other sinners.

"Professing christians" are not mentioned in scripture. God only recognizes true saints..... He doesn't even know the "others", remember? So, NO, they're not mentioned as "professing saints".

If Yet would cool his jets a little & use a lot of qualifying scripture, I then would see nothing wrong with most of his statements.

He's not an adversary, so quit treating him like one.

If he is, you're only feeding the trolls, & that's your problem, not his.

 

[Stephen63]

BTW, Jesus says few will be saved (strait is the gate, narrow the way, few that be that find it), yet there's a church on every other block. Who's right? Jesus, of course.

Look at those 2 sides & do the math..... lots & lots of subtraction due to constant division.

 

[wattie]

BTW, Jesus says few will be saved (strait is the gate, narrow the way, few that be that find it), yet there's a church on every other block. Who's right? Jesus, of course.

Look at those 2 sides & do the math..... lots & lots of subtraction due to constant division.

Context of 'strait is the gate and narrow is the way' please...

I think you will find is not referring to someone getting given eternal life.

 

[popeye]

The protection from deception is not found in a denomination or in your great ability to "discern"

The "discernment" I see around this forum is more properly expressed as "lack of".

The ONLY refuge from deception is in the person of Jesus. He is the Holy Spirit giver,the only sure thing we have.


You can not possibly get a handle on this dimension w/o looking at the picture "inverted". (last=first....first=last)

What was the deception at the time of Jesus incarnation/ministry?

1) who he was
2) The power,and where the power originated.


This is key.

1) most of you have no clue as to the intimacy of the believer with his Lord and groom and lover,and king Jesus.

2) the stumbling and rejection over the power and the baptism of the HS as a second work in the believers' walk.

So natural is this verse ".........the love of many shall grow cold..." For the last days.

You do not even begin to know what you are talking about concerning deception. You have been duped by edited utube vids and charismatic hating witch hunters into thinking you actually are doing God a favor by attacking his pple.

Last=first and visa viz.
You have actually become players in your own accuser end times party.

Last days pharisees

 

[KennethC]

Well , I am glad my eternal life is in Jesus' hands and not in mine.
My Savior is stronger than yours.

We have the same Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, and please refrain from such unnecessary remarks.

I am giving you words straight from the bible and from the Lord Himself, so it falls on you to accept His words or not.
Luke 6:46-49, Luke 12, Matthew 25, and Matthew 7:21 are not passages and scriptures to take lightly or just straight up and avoid.

If God says three times in the bible He will take a persons name out of the Book of Life for sinning against Him or taking away from His word that means that eternal security is false if you do not continue in the faith as laid out by the Lord.

 

[dcontroversal]

BTW, Jesus says few will be saved (strait is the gate, narrow the way, few that be that find it), yet there's a church on every other block. Who's right? Jesus, of course.

Look at those 2 sides & do the math..... lots & lots of subtraction due to constant division.

And of course you and Kenneth are in the (few) that find it right?

 

[dcontroversal]

We have the same Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, and please refrain from such unnecessary remarks.

I am giving you words straight from the bible and from the Lord Himself, so it falls on you to accept His words or not.
Luke 6:46-49, Luke 12, Matthew 25, and Matthew 7:21 are not passages and scriptures to take lightly or just straight up and avoid.

If God says three times in the bible He will take a persons name out of the Book of Life for sinning against Him or taking away from His word that means that eternal security is false if you do not continue in the faith as laid out by the Lord.

Yeah how about the present tense HAS and HATH....seems these words escape your vocabulary and or acknowledgement!

 

[KennethC]

Yeah how about the present tense HAS and HATH....seems these words escape your vocabulary and or acknowledgement!

They do not escape my vocabulary, only that I take them in proper context as applied with what Apostle John said also in his 1st epistle. Has and having eternal life is a present now mental assurance of knowing we will receive it at the day of redemption because of the Holy Spirit who is in us, and given to us by God to those of us who obey.

Once again a scripture can not be taken out and made to stand alone, for that will always be taken out of context when one does that.

We have to live by every word that precedes from the mouth of God, which means everything has to be taken into account to get proper exegesis, and not be separated from the rest to stand alone.