Why is yet so bold?
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K
Again though being wealthy in finances is not part of the covenant, as that is not a gift or blessing that will be bestowed on all true believers.
If you believe that then I don't know what to say, because when we get to heaven I can bet you will see more people there that lived in poverty or middle class society here on earth which still struggles to get by day to day in heaven then you will see of people who were financially well off.
Also being wealthy or rich as the bible states does not always mean money/financial, most of the time it simply means abundance of faith, love, giving, and forgiving.
We should not read into when ever the bible says wealth or rich it is speaking financially, that would be wrong.
Also the scripture from 1 Corinthians 9:14 those that preach the gospel should live by the gospel is not talking financially either. It is stating that if you are preaching the word you life should mirror/reflect what the scriptures say.
In other words the word says you are to love, show mercy, and forgive others, then you if you are preaching should be following those guidelines.
K
That scripture in Ephesians 2:7 is not talking about finances, as this goes to what I just said before about just because the bible says wealth or rich it is not talking about finances/money.
This scripture here is talking about showing in abundance the love and kindness He has shown to us we are to show out to others. It has nothing to do with making a person rich financially !!!
This scripture here is talking about showing in abundance the love and kindness He has shown to us we are to show out to others. It has nothing to do with making a person rich financially !!!
E
Some of the posts are making this a "give to get" which is not supposed to be the "Christian" way. The "world" makes it a "give to get". If we are reading into God's Word a "give to get" doctrine then we must go back to God and appologize. God's Word is not a "health and wealth" Word. He already gave didn't He? So should we "demand" more? Was the blood of Christ not enough that we should ask or expect more? "Dear Lord, I just gave ten bucks can you give me twenty in return?". Our riches are in heaven but that is not from giving Him stuff. Our "riches in heaven" are from another source and that source is because of our faith in Christ. And God even gave us that. Our faith doesn't come from ourselves. (But that is another discussion which I will not argue here).
B
Seems fitting to insert this scripture...
James 4:2You lust and do not have; so you commit murder. You are envious and cannot obtain; so you fight and quarrel. You do not have because you do not ask. 3You ask and do not receive, because you ask with wrong motives, so that you may spend it on your pleasures. 4You adulteresses, do you not know that friendship with the world is hostility toward God? Therefore whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God
James 4:2You lust and do not have; so you commit murder. You are envious and cannot obtain; so you fight and quarrel. You do not have because you do not ask. 3You ask and do not receive, because you ask with wrong motives, so that you may spend it on your pleasures. 4You adulteresses, do you not know that friendship with the world is hostility toward God? Therefore whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God
You're going to have to take it up with God then. I would like you to ponder what makes you think self-interest in any way, shape, or form devalues giving? Self-interest is not inherently sinful.
Malachi 3:10King James Version (KJV)
10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith (thats a challenge), saith the Lord of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.
To give to get is actually one of the most self-less principles you could live by. According to the world you are subtracting from what you have to bless others, but as we know according to the Word, we are actually increasing or multiplying that which we have given. We give and are blessed for doing so, even in Proverbs it speaks of pitying the poor is like lending to the Lord and He shall repay you. Its an incentive to give, not that such incentive is needed but its just the way it works.
You give, you prosper, and you can use that prosperity to further the Kingdom. You can use your finances to spread the Gospel and build churches. You can use it to send missionaries. You can use it as a tool to bring glory to God. To give to get an increase is by no means a self-centered principle as what it does is bless others and then it also comes back to you multiplied. It encourages giving. All parties win and the giver wants to give more because they know they will see a return on it and will then be able to give more later. Its an endless cycle of increase and all parties involved benefit.
Self-interest is not selfish, in a negative way. Self-interest has a lot of positive effects, in regards to giving it promotes generosity through the principle of sowing and reaping. People worry about the love of money a lot and I once read one way to stay away from the love of money is to subscribe to this particular statement. Love people and use money, never the other way around. It's a good mindset to have.
PS: It cannot be selfish to give to get as you are at the same time giving. An expectation of a return in no way devalues the gift. God gave His Son and expected a harvest of believers as a result, do you suppose God had self-interest? Did it devalue Jesus because He gave His Son to bring about more children of God? Of course not.
How can you tell a man giving money to the homeless he is selfish if he expects a return yet all the while he is giving to the homeless? Feeding the hungry, giving them shelter and clothing and you have the audacity to call him selfish? All because he believes God honors His Word? Its a blessing in itself to give to others and see the impact you have on others through your giving, but its also a blessing to know its coming back one hundred fold so that you can increase in your giving.
Malachi 3:10King James Version (KJV)
10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith (thats a challenge), saith the Lord of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.
To give to get is actually one of the most self-less principles you could live by. According to the world you are subtracting from what you have to bless others, but as we know according to the Word, we are actually increasing or multiplying that which we have given. We give and are blessed for doing so, even in Proverbs it speaks of pitying the poor is like lending to the Lord and He shall repay you. Its an incentive to give, not that such incentive is needed but its just the way it works.
You give, you prosper, and you can use that prosperity to further the Kingdom. You can use your finances to spread the Gospel and build churches. You can use it to send missionaries. You can use it as a tool to bring glory to God. To give to get an increase is by no means a self-centered principle as what it does is bless others and then it also comes back to you multiplied. It encourages giving. All parties win and the giver wants to give more because they know they will see a return on it and will then be able to give more later. Its an endless cycle of increase and all parties involved benefit.
Self-interest is not selfish, in a negative way. Self-interest has a lot of positive effects, in regards to giving it promotes generosity through the principle of sowing and reaping. People worry about the love of money a lot and I once read one way to stay away from the love of money is to subscribe to this particular statement. Love people and use money, never the other way around. It's a good mindset to have.
PS: It cannot be selfish to give to get as you are at the same time giving. An expectation of a return in no way devalues the gift. God gave His Son and expected a harvest of believers as a result, do you suppose God had self-interest? Did it devalue Jesus because He gave His Son to bring about more children of God? Of course not.
How can you tell a man giving money to the homeless he is selfish if he expects a return yet all the while he is giving to the homeless? Feeding the hungry, giving them shelter and clothing and you have the audacity to call him selfish? All because he believes God honors His Word? Its a blessing in itself to give to others and see the impact you have on others through your giving, but its also a blessing to know its coming back one hundred fold so that you can increase in your giving.
I was just trying to show you that there is a way in which the Lord does bless non-believers is all. That was the intention, nothing more. I could see a non-believer sending money to the 700 Club for helping villages and what not, though their intention is for the people to get help they also fund the spreading of the Gospel, unintentionally. In doing so, I could see that as sowing and reaping and them benefiting from such principles as tithing even though it is done in ignorance. Just like when people give to the poor and are lending to the Lord unaware.
Maybe its a stretch, but I can see it.
Maybe its a stretch, but I can see it.
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