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Do you have any idea how hard it already is to get on Disability? Do you have any idea how hard it is to get on Welfare now? Obviously not. So now what do you want to do? Publish people's private lives publicly? Peachy keen! It has absolutely nothing to do with what the government is doing right or wrong. It's just another layer of red tape to make people feel like they're getting something.
They are. They're getting the right to be inspected and frowned upon by all their friends, family and neighbors.
Do you have any idea how hard it already is to get on Disability? Do you have any idea how hard it is to get on Welfare now? Obviously not. So now what do you want to do? Publish people's private lives publicly? Peachy keen! It has absolutely nothing to do with what the government is doing right or wrong. It's just another layer of red tape to make people feel like they're getting something.
They are. They're getting the right to be inspected and frowned upon by all their friends, family and neighbors.
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Same load my family says after they go off on the "entitled people," and then they say, "I didn't mean you."
Well of course not. It's always people you don't know and then with the added "I've got friends and family that are..."
Sorry. Doesn't cut it. Everyone has friends and family, included everyone stuck on government "entitlements."
It is callous! More so when describing people you don't know.
Here's an idea. Take it back to the Bible and no one is on the government take. Truthfully family and church is supposed to help us. I'm glad I didn't hold my breath waiting for that to happen. I'd be dead 15 years ago!
The government is our lifeline because the family and church sure isn't! That sure says something about the church, doesn't it?
Well of course not. It's always people you don't know and then with the added "I've got friends and family that are..."
Sorry. Doesn't cut it. Everyone has friends and family, included everyone stuck on government "entitlements."
It is callous! More so when describing people you don't know.
Here's an idea. Take it back to the Bible and no one is on the government take. Truthfully family and church is supposed to help us. I'm glad I didn't hold my breath waiting for that to happen. I'd be dead 15 years ago!
The government is our lifeline because the family and church sure isn't! That sure says something about the church, doesn't it?
But why do the people who receive assistance, need to have their names out there publicly for the whole world to see? It's NOBODY'S business WHO is on welfare or other assistance. 
Just another step towards us losing our freedoms. :/
Just another step towards us losing our freedoms. :/
And does a person who applies for scores of jobs over their unemployment period qualify as that? The issue pertinent to this thread is this, Utah: How does publishing names and addresses of people on welfare, stop pot smoking, beer drinking, twinkie eating, video game playing, physically and mentally capable people from getting welfare?
In fact, it doesn't do that. It only names and shames everybody who is on it. It does nothing to stop people being on welfare. Unless of course you think that a bit of public justice is justified -- that people should go out of their way to terrorize and harass those on welfare once the names are published. In which case, I worry for your country.
In fact, it doesn't do that. It only names and shames everybody who is on it. It does nothing to stop people being on welfare. Unless of course you think that a bit of public justice is justified -- that people should go out of their way to terrorize and harass those on welfare once the names are published. In which case, I worry for your country.
I actually agree with both of these points, naming gun owners is totally pointless, and I actually agree with the idea of drug testing people on welfare. Ive also heard my state has a rule for those on welfare that they have to be looking for a job and are not allowed to turn down a job, or they will lose their assistance? I dunno if its true, but I do like the idea of motivating them to find work. And through a regular low paying job they are more likely to find a better paying job.
Or course I mean this only for those who recieve assistance because they dont have a job or enough money, those with serious issues should get some kind of help.
Or course I mean this only for those who recieve assistance because they dont have a job or enough money, those with serious issues should get some kind of help.
Shaming people into putting behind their parasitic ways and becoming productive members of society is a good thing. Once they become productive members of society they will experience the joy of what it feels like to earn an honest day's pay and their self esteem will grow exponentially, as will their desire to achieve higher goals in life. Its a beautiful snowball effect.
Yawn. I'm promoting integrity, productivity and self esteem and you respond with hateful stupidity. This is what happens when liberals are cornered with rational thought; suddenly they're "free-thinking, agree to disagree" loving mantra goes down into the abyss, just like their anti-Christian souls do on that great and fateful day when their hearts stop. You're embarrassing even for a liberal.
What integrity is their in disabled, unemployed, or old peoples' names being published online for folks to pick on them? What's productive about shaming thousands of people who either can't land jobs, are physically unable to work, or who are too old for labour, in order to shame the minority who might deliberately be milking the system?
You're not being rational Utah. You're proposing a government agency print the names and addresses of an entire state's welfare and pension recipients online for every creep, weirdo, psycho and bully in the country to take advantage of. And you know why you're doing it? You're doing it because you would get a kick out of that scenario.
You think that demeaning and degrading poor citizens who either can't find jobs, are unable to work, or are too old to work, is socially acceptable, if it means there's even a small chance that a few wasters might be weeded out. Well it's not. It's absolutely ludicrous, and there are far better alternatives.
In the UK, the benefit for unemployed people who are of working age and not disabled, is called Jobseeker's Allowance, and receiving it depends on being able to prove that you are sending away at least three job applications a week. What happens is that when you apply for a job, you keep a record of it (your emails, or a screenshot of a job reference number for instance) and the staff at the government agencies store your details confidentially, and take you for short fortnightly or monthly appointments where you must bring in evidence of your efforts to find work.
No need to shame those who can't find work; no need to expose disabled and old people to nutcases. It's all confidential. That's a better way to do things, though it's not perfect and I do have issues with it. But what you're proposing is crazy. You're proposing something that will inevitably lead to violence against welfare recipients.
You're not being rational Utah. You're proposing a government agency print the names and addresses of an entire state's welfare and pension recipients online for every creep, weirdo, psycho and bully in the country to take advantage of. And you know why you're doing it? You're doing it because you would get a kick out of that scenario.
You think that demeaning and degrading poor citizens who either can't find jobs, are unable to work, or are too old to work, is socially acceptable, if it means there's even a small chance that a few wasters might be weeded out. Well it's not. It's absolutely ludicrous, and there are far better alternatives.
In the UK, the benefit for unemployed people who are of working age and not disabled, is called Jobseeker's Allowance, and receiving it depends on being able to prove that you are sending away at least three job applications a week. What happens is that when you apply for a job, you keep a record of it (your emails, or a screenshot of a job reference number for instance) and the staff at the government agencies store your details confidentially, and take you for short fortnightly or monthly appointments where you must bring in evidence of your efforts to find work.
No need to shame those who can't find work; no need to expose disabled and old people to nutcases. It's all confidential. That's a better way to do things, though it's not perfect and I do have issues with it. But what you're proposing is crazy. You're proposing something that will inevitably lead to violence against welfare recipients.
I didn't read any further than the above words. You can see full well in my previous posts that I'm not talking about disabled people, but rather I'm talking about lazy parasites. You sure do love twisting words and truth in order to advance your ideology which is clearly nothing more than giving the one finger salute to anything conservative and most things Christian.
You seem unable to use your brain. How can anybody distinguish, from a list of published names and addresses, between those who are disabled, those who are elderly, those who are genuinely making an effort to find work, and those who are able but unwilling? What, you want the gov't to publish peoples' medical conditions, too, so bullying idiots doling out social justice can make the distinction between which doors to knock and which not to knock?
Bloody hell. If you could distinguish the wasters from a list of names and addresses of everyone who is on welfare, Utah, (which is the proposition in the bill), there'd be no reason to publish all those names in the first place; the "parasites" would get taken off welfare there and then. Use your head, man.
Bloody hell. If you could distinguish the wasters from a list of names and addresses of everyone who is on welfare, Utah, (which is the proposition in the bill), there'd be no reason to publish all those names in the first place; the "parasites" would get taken off welfare there and then. Use your head, man.
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And you think the government are going to print all the disabled' peoples' medical histories along with their names and addresses? You think you or anyone else can go knock on some unemployed dude's door after reading his name in the list, and ask him to show you proof of his efforts to find work? That's laughable.
It's not even the public's right, nevermind their job, to investigate welfare claims. That's the government's job, and there are reasons why it should be dealt with by them, confidentially, privately, and officially. Let me tell you somethin' -- if I was on welfare, lookin' for work (not disabled), and some government agency printed my name and address for everyone to see, I'd organize a riot outside their offices. And I tell you somethin' else, if you or any man came to my home thinking you could browbeat me for claiming welfare, well, you might try it once.
And that's exactly what's gonna happen when you start handing out social justice, Utah: resistance and retribution.
It's not even the public's right, nevermind their job, to investigate welfare claims. That's the government's job, and there are reasons why it should be dealt with by them, confidentially, privately, and officially. Let me tell you somethin' -- if I was on welfare, lookin' for work (not disabled), and some government agency printed my name and address for everyone to see, I'd organize a riot outside their offices. And I tell you somethin' else, if you or any man came to my home thinking you could browbeat me for claiming welfare, well, you might try it once.
And that's exactly what's gonna happen when you start handing out social justice, Utah: resistance and retribution.