Holy Spirit and Human Spirit

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jaybird88

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Thank You but I am not Jewish. I am Christian and I prefer to use the bible for reference.

Kefa
with due respect, the Hebrew bible (OT) is very Jewish and it was also the bible Jesus taught from. the encyclopedia he posted is just a study guide to it.
 

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Thank You but I am not Jewish. I am Christian and I prefer to use the bible for reference.

Kefa
I am not Jewish eather, but that has nothing to do with this, a respected encyclopedia,

so is the information in it would be wrong to look at or learn ?
 

prove-all

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with due respect, the Hebrew bible (OT) is very Jewish and it was also the bible Jesus taught from. the encyclopedia he posted is just a study guide to it.
beat me by 3 seconds lol
 

prove-all

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so when our Father says He knew Jeremiah before he was even formed in the womb whats He talking about if Jeremiah was nonexistent at that point.
as far as i remember , there was only about three persons, described like this, Jeremiah was one.

I will have to check on this myself, and get back to you
 
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Kefa54

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For me YES. I just don't study Judaism other than the OT Bible. For you, it is up to you. Not a big deal. You don't need anyone's approval.


Kefa

I am not Jewish eather, but that has nothing to do with this, a respected encyclopedia,

so is the information in it would be wrong to look at or learn ?
 
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prove-all

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For me YES. I just don't study Judaism other than the OT Bible. For you it is up to you. Not a big deal.


Kefa
to be honest I have never read much of it , first chance I get though will read more.
 
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jaybird88

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as far as i remember , there was only about three persons, described like this, Jeremiah was one.

I will have to check on this myself, and get back to you
john may be another your thinking of but that description was "in" the womb not before.
its a complex subject that's difficult to find a direct answer in our bible. i have always felt as i were somewhere else before i was born on earth.
 

prove-all

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john may be another your thinking of but that description was "in" the womb not before.
its a complex subject that's difficult to find a direct answer in our bible. i have always felt as i were somewhere else before i was born on earth.
Only Jeremiah, John the Baptist and Christ were chosen from the womb.
Jeremiah was a very special prophet, chosen for an extremely important commission.

He was chosen from the womb by God—like John and the Son of the living God!

Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare:
[before] they spring forth I tell you of them.

18Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.


-does not mean I was there in the beginning, but [He] knew me .

before God laid the foundation of the earth, or even the universe,
He had a plain all worked out, like a master builder does, counted the cost.

There is no remembrance of former things; neither shall there be any remembrance
of things that are to come with those that shall come after.


- we will not remember this life, into the next, no more tears, no memory of before
 

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so when our Father says He knew Jeremiah before he was even formed in the womb whats He talking about if Jeremiah was nonexistent at that point.
Anyone who has existed or will exist is never non existent in God's eyes...even 1000 years before they are born.
 
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Kefa54

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Check this post out.................

1 Corinthians 6:17.....Our Spirit is joined to the Holy Spirit..Holman Christian Standard Bible
But anyone joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him.


Romans 8:15-17
...Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)

[SUP]15 [/SUP]For you did not receive a spirit of slavery to fall back into fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption, by whom we cry out, “Abba, Father!” [SUP]16 [/SUP]The Spirit Himself testifies together with our spirit that we are God’s children, [SUP]17 [/SUP]and if children, also heirs—heirs of God and coheirs with Christ—seeing that[SUP][a][/SUP] we suffer with Him so that we may also be glorified with Him.


Kefa
 

prove-all

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- it people go to hell or heaven when they die, what does theses verses mean?

Matthew 12:41
The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it:
because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.

Luke 11:32
The men of Nineve shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it:
for they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.

Matthew 12:42
The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it:
for she came from the uttermost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold,
a greater than Solomon is here.
 
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1Mind1Spirit

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1 Thessalonians 5:23 (NASB95)
23 Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you entirely; and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved complete, without blame at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.


Romans 8:16 (NASB95)
16 The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God,


Our human Spirit is the new creation in Christ and is the temple that the Holy Spirit dwells in.

Not exactly.

All creatures have a spirit.

As creatures our spirit only knows what it learns from these flesh bodies.

It is when God's spirit communes with our spirit that we begin being transformed into sons of God.


As unbelievers we are body and soul. As believers we are body,soul and spirit(human spirit)

Can't be that way.



1 Corinthians 2:11 KJV




  • 11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
 
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1Mind1Spirit

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All human beings have a spirit, but the spirit of the unbeliever is 'dead in trespasses and sins' (has no real life because it is separate from the source of life.). When we become Christians our spirit is made alive in Christ an the Holy Spirit bears witness with our spirit that we are the sons of God.
Purdy much.

But it is because the unbeliever has a spirit that he seeks to worship, even though it be falsely. It is the spirit which is 'the image of God' in man and makes him distinct from animals and a worshipping creature.
The creature was subjected to vanity beginning with Adam.

It is when God's spirit communes with our spirit that we begin being conformed to His image.

It has nothing to do with animals.
 

prove-all

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i have always felt as i were somewhere else before i was born on earth.
cool, maybe you could help

Joel 2

2A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness,
as the morning spread upon the mountains:

a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like,
neither shall be any more after it, [even to] the years of many generations.

3A fire devoureth before them; and behind them a flame burneth:
the land is as [the garden of Eden] before them,
and behind them a desolate wilderness; yea, and nothing shall escape them.

who are, this great people?
 

prove-all

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Purdy much.



The creature was subjected to vanity beginning with Adam.

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God cursed [the ground], then lifted the curse off the ground,




how or why is [all] creation[universe and all] in decay today ?
 
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1Mind1Spirit

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God cursed [the ground], then lifted the curse off the ground,




how or why is [all] creation[universe and all] in decay today ?
We are now subjected to hope. :)


  • Romans 8:20 KJV


    20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
 

DP

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I understand prove-all's view, and I understand the view the Greeks had about an afterlife.

Yet the NT Scriptures (like those examples I posted), give us more information of what occurs after flesh death.

Matt 10:28
28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear Him Which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
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In Matt.10:28 Jesus said to not fear those who can kill our body (flesh) but not our soul, but fear Him Who can destroy both body and soul in the lake of fire ("hell" there = Greek geena, the OT valley of Hinnom used as a symbol for the perpetual burning garbage pit outside Jerusalem). That is a new revelation, because by that our Lord Jesus showed that our "soul" is not... killed at flesh death, which can mean only one thing about its properties, and that is the 'soul' is a separate entity from our flesh body.

This means we have to take another look at OT Scripture like Eccl.12:5-7:

Eccl 12:5-7
5 Also when they shall be afraid of that which is high, and fears shall be in the way, and the almond tree shall flourish, and the grasshopper shall be a burden, and desire shall fail: because man goeth to his long home, and the mourners go about the streets:
6 Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern.
7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
KJV

Because of what our Lord Jesus revealed about our 'soul' continuing after flesh death, one must rethink the meaning of what Solomon described there in Ecclesiastes 12 considering "spirit". The Matt.10:28 Scripture suggests that "spirit" which goes back to God is not simply about something without consciousness that just animated an earthly flesh body of material matter.

Likewise with the example of Christ at His death and resurrection preaching The Gospel to the "spirits in prison" per 1 Pet.3 and 1 Pet.4:5-6, He was not preaching to evil spirits, but to the spirits of men that had died back to the time of Noah. That was OT prophecy that He would do that...

Isa 42:6-7
6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;
7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.
KJV



Then with the story our Lord Jesus gave at the end of Luke 16 about Lazarus and the rich man dying, and their part that had continued existence was carried to either side of Paradise, where they still had awareness, why would He mislead us if those objects weren't true? and that especially since they agree with what He said in Matt.10:28 about the soul not being killed after flesh death?
 

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I do not believe in the pagan concept that we all have immortal souls either.

But I do believe the "new creature" meaning from Apostle Paul for those in Christ Jesus does mean the change of our soul from it's previous dead state before accepting Jesus Christ, and now is an immortal soul that will not be subject to condemnation, but will pass from death to Life after our flesh death (John 5:24).

Or what do you think our Heavenly Father's purpose was for those souls who came out of their graves at Jesus' death, and appeared to many in Jerusalem? do you really and truly think those literally had their flesh bodies raised only to have to face death again? (which would also be against Hebrew 9:27 by the way). What was He showing those in Jerusalem, and us, by that event?

Wasn't God showing us by that event that our soul continues after flesh death, and thus to not fear death of our body? Wasn't He showing just HOW... He is The Savior by that, and that He truly conquered death for us?
 
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I have a question for any of you who will answer it.

Do you have the indwelling of the Holy Ghost and
how do you know you have it?
(after you answer I will have some follow up questions)


 

Ahwatukee

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#40
- it people go to hell or heaven when they die, what does theses verses mean?

Matthew 12:41
The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it:
because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.

Luke 11:32
The men of Nineve shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it:
for they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.

Matthew 12:42
The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it:
for she came from the uttermost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold,
a greater than Solomon is here.
"Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. The earth and the heavens fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done. Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire."

The scripture above is describing the great white throne judgment, which is where the unrighteous dead are resurrected out of death and Hades, which takes place at the end of the thousand year reign of Christ. In the scriptures above, the groups mentioned repented without experiencing any miraculous signs, which are being compared to that generation of Israel who, after seeing all of the miraculous signs that Jesus performed, such as all of the blind receiving their sight, the deaf hearing, demons being cast out, the raising of the dead, feeding thousands of people with a few loafs of bread and few fish and much, much, more, after all that, the majority of that generation still did not believe and repent. In another scripture, Jesus says, "For if the miracles that were performed in you had been performed in Sodom, it would have remained to this day".

The meaning of this is that, that generation of Israel will be held accountable because of the proof of miracles that they had experienced, having the Son of God in their presence and still did not believe and repent.