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Are We Walking With God?
by Ronald W Robey (that's me)
Amos 3:3 asks the question, “Can two walk together, except they be agreed?”.
An interesting question indeed. A question today could be asked why so many who claim to be walking with God disagree with His Word? Are they truly walking with God?
God said in Leviticus 27:30-33 that His holy tithe is agricultural. Are you in agreement with God? Are you walking with Him? or are you following a god who says the commanded tithe is money?
God said in Numbers 18:21,24,26,28 that He gave His tithe to the Levitic tribe of the children of Israel. Are you in agreement with God? Are you walking with Him? or are you following a god who says you are to tithe to people who are not of the Levitic tribe?
God said in Deuteronomy 6:1-3 & Deuteronomy 12:10-11 that one was not to start tithing until one crossed Jordan and entered Canaan. Are you in agreement with God? Are you walking with Him? or are you following a god that requires tithing on Gentile soil?
God said in Deuteronomy 14:22-27 that a second tithe was to be taken to a Jewish Feast and eaten by the tither before the LORD God. Are you in agreement with God? Are you walking with Him? or are you following a god that says we must tithe to our Church and nowhere else?
God said in Deuteronomy 14:28-29 that a third tithe was to be given every three years to feed the widows, the orphans, the Levites and foreigners in Israel. Are you in agreement with God? Are you walking with Him? or are you following a god that says the tithe must go to your Church?
God said in Nehemiah 10:37-38 that the firstfruits were to be taken to the Temple storehouse in Jerusalem, and the tithes were to be taken to the Levites. Are you in agreement with God? Are you walking with Him? or are you following a god that says tithes are to go to pastors on Gentile soil?
God said in Psalm 147:19-20 that His statutes and judgments were given to Israel and Israel alone. Are you in agreement with God? Are you walking with Him? or are you following a god that says the Mosaic Law is to be obeyed by all people of every nation?
God’s Word tells us in Acts 21:23-25 that Gentile Believers are not commanded to keep the Mosaic Law. Are you in agreement with God? Are you walking with Him? or are you following a god that demands Gentile Believers obey the Mosaic Law?
In the last chapter that tithing is mentioned in God’s Holy Word, (Hebrews 7:5-8 ) we are told that the commanded tithe is the same agricultural tithe commanded in the Pentateuch more than 1500 years earlier. Are you in agreement with God? Are you walking with Him? or are you following a god that says the commanded tithe is money?
Are you in agreement and walking with God? or have you rejected His decree and chosen your own path?
There is not one Scripture in the entire Bible where God amended His tithe command to extend to the New Testament Church. Nor is there an amendment in His Word to make the tithe a monetary tithe instead of an agricultural one.
If God didn’t amend the tithe in His Word, how can we, who are supposed to boldly proclaim and walk in the Truth as it is written in His Holy Word, say He requires tithes of money? There is absolutely no justification for such an action.
Proverbs 30:6 tells us we are not to add to God's Word. For that reason, we cannot change the tithe that He said was to be agricultural into a monetary tithe. we cannot, in good conscience, bring a tithe that was meant for Israel alone to observe to another geographical location.
One cannot just focus on the fact that God commanded a tenth, and then totally ignore what that tenth was to consist of, where it was to be taken to, to whom it was to be given, and when it was to be given. The ones that ignores all the specifics of God's holy tithe are guilty of transgressing the very Law they claim to be keeping.
by Ronald W Robey (that's me)
Amos 3:3 asks the question, “Can two walk together, except they be agreed?”.
An interesting question indeed. A question today could be asked why so many who claim to be walking with God disagree with His Word? Are they truly walking with God?
God said in Leviticus 27:30-33 that His holy tithe is agricultural. Are you in agreement with God? Are you walking with Him? or are you following a god who says the commanded tithe is money?
God said in Numbers 18:21,24,26,28 that He gave His tithe to the Levitic tribe of the children of Israel. Are you in agreement with God? Are you walking with Him? or are you following a god who says you are to tithe to people who are not of the Levitic tribe?
God said in Deuteronomy 6:1-3 & Deuteronomy 12:10-11 that one was not to start tithing until one crossed Jordan and entered Canaan. Are you in agreement with God? Are you walking with Him? or are you following a god that requires tithing on Gentile soil?
God said in Deuteronomy 14:22-27 that a second tithe was to be taken to a Jewish Feast and eaten by the tither before the LORD God. Are you in agreement with God? Are you walking with Him? or are you following a god that says we must tithe to our Church and nowhere else?
God said in Deuteronomy 14:28-29 that a third tithe was to be given every three years to feed the widows, the orphans, the Levites and foreigners in Israel. Are you in agreement with God? Are you walking with Him? or are you following a god that says the tithe must go to your Church?
God said in Nehemiah 10:37-38 that the firstfruits were to be taken to the Temple storehouse in Jerusalem, and the tithes were to be taken to the Levites. Are you in agreement with God? Are you walking with Him? or are you following a god that says tithes are to go to pastors on Gentile soil?
God said in Psalm 147:19-20 that His statutes and judgments were given to Israel and Israel alone. Are you in agreement with God? Are you walking with Him? or are you following a god that says the Mosaic Law is to be obeyed by all people of every nation?
God’s Word tells us in Acts 21:23-25 that Gentile Believers are not commanded to keep the Mosaic Law. Are you in agreement with God? Are you walking with Him? or are you following a god that demands Gentile Believers obey the Mosaic Law?
In the last chapter that tithing is mentioned in God’s Holy Word, (Hebrews 7:5-8 ) we are told that the commanded tithe is the same agricultural tithe commanded in the Pentateuch more than 1500 years earlier. Are you in agreement with God? Are you walking with Him? or are you following a god that says the commanded tithe is money?
Are you in agreement and walking with God? or have you rejected His decree and chosen your own path?
There is not one Scripture in the entire Bible where God amended His tithe command to extend to the New Testament Church. Nor is there an amendment in His Word to make the tithe a monetary tithe instead of an agricultural one.
If God didn’t amend the tithe in His Word, how can we, who are supposed to boldly proclaim and walk in the Truth as it is written in His Holy Word, say He requires tithes of money? There is absolutely no justification for such an action.
Proverbs 30:6 tells us we are not to add to God's Word. For that reason, we cannot change the tithe that He said was to be agricultural into a monetary tithe. we cannot, in good conscience, bring a tithe that was meant for Israel alone to observe to another geographical location.
One cannot just focus on the fact that God commanded a tenth, and then totally ignore what that tenth was to consist of, where it was to be taken to, to whom it was to be given, and when it was to be given. The ones that ignores all the specifics of God's holy tithe are guilty of transgressing the very Law they claim to be keeping.
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Those who demand tithes and offerings are 'false teachers among you...who teach damning heresies, even contradicting the teachings of Christ Who bought them.....and many, if not most, of the 'church' will believe their destructive doctrine. And God's clear truth shall, by evil intentions, be twisted for fun and profit.
And by greed and avarice they will twist the scriptures into lies in order to get your money to buy a lifestyle for themselves....
2Peter 2:1-3
Hirelings, are those that minister for fun and financial profit. Their idea is 'freely we received, exorbitantly we charge. Hallelujah!'
With many of them, there is no limits to how they'd get your last dollar...all for the kingdom of course....their kingdom, not God's!
The NT declares that an elder/pastor must kill covetousness in his own heart before he can help with tending the flock of God. I'll not provide the verses for that. You dig them up. Turn off the game and study.
Kill greed. That is a command by God Almighty for a prerequisite condition for any elder/overseer/shepherd. Note: all the elders in any given assembly are 'pastors' and 'episcopos: bishops: overseers'. Functions, not titles or salaried offices. Try studying your bible for a change. You'd be shocked to learn who the wolves really are...and it's not Hellywood, liberals, drug dealers, or porn makers....or the 'pubic' school system!
And the elder/pastor/overseer must work a secular job. Acts 20. God's command...not Yet's, though I do agree with it. It's God's word...not Pastor Onthetake's! Why don't you agree with it? Just a passing thought.
This tithe and offering madness has got to stop. Money, money, money, money..and where is it going? Precious little of it , if any at all, to the poor or widows that's for sure.
Jesus destroys the church building in Jerusalem. Man has been rebuilding church buildings ever since. The number one hindrance to the body of Christ is the church building and it's, set in stone, MO! . Paying audience facing one direction toward Pastor Awesome while he elocuates (is that a word?), well anyway, rattles on for 40 minutes to a bunch of pew sitting tweety birds.
And the false tithe perpetuates this madness. A twelve year old could search a few choice chapters and come away with 'what we call chuch today really isn't church at all'.
Yet we have full grown adults sitting in the tweety bird pews for 40 and 50 years that have no clue whatsoever of Christ's definition of 'the body of Christ'. No clue what 1Cor.12, Ephesians 4, and Romans12 is even about.
They scan over these verses with a glassey look in their sleepy eyes and that's about as far as it gets.
Back to the den on Sunday morning, pay their tithes, snore through another dead sermon, itching for the football game that day, get dismissed, shake a few hands, talk about the game, go home and they call that 'God's fellowship of the Saints', the power pack, Holy Spirit filled, devil stomping, life changing, assembly of God's representatives, and the world tries to hold back the laughter, with no great success! Be right back...'sweetheart, can you bring me that galvanized bucket from the back porch...I'm about to heave'.
Please don't tell me I ramble some. I know it. I have a fire in my bones. As Jeremiah, I'm excluded from most groups. Can't figure out why! Smile. Be free. Be blessed. You'll have to exit Babylon to get there.
And by greed and avarice they will twist the scriptures into lies in order to get your money to buy a lifestyle for themselves....
2Peter 2:1-3
Hirelings, are those that minister for fun and financial profit. Their idea is 'freely we received, exorbitantly we charge. Hallelujah!'
With many of them, there is no limits to how they'd get your last dollar...all for the kingdom of course....their kingdom, not God's!
The NT declares that an elder/pastor must kill covetousness in his own heart before he can help with tending the flock of God. I'll not provide the verses for that. You dig them up. Turn off the game and study.
Kill greed. That is a command by God Almighty for a prerequisite condition for any elder/overseer/shepherd. Note: all the elders in any given assembly are 'pastors' and 'episcopos: bishops: overseers'. Functions, not titles or salaried offices. Try studying your bible for a change. You'd be shocked to learn who the wolves really are...and it's not Hellywood, liberals, drug dealers, or porn makers....or the 'pubic' school system!
And the elder/pastor/overseer must work a secular job. Acts 20. God's command...not Yet's, though I do agree with it. It's God's word...not Pastor Onthetake's! Why don't you agree with it? Just a passing thought.
This tithe and offering madness has got to stop. Money, money, money, money..and where is it going? Precious little of it , if any at all, to the poor or widows that's for sure.
Jesus destroys the church building in Jerusalem. Man has been rebuilding church buildings ever since. The number one hindrance to the body of Christ is the church building and it's, set in stone, MO! . Paying audience facing one direction toward Pastor Awesome while he elocuates (is that a word?), well anyway, rattles on for 40 minutes to a bunch of pew sitting tweety birds.
And the false tithe perpetuates this madness. A twelve year old could search a few choice chapters and come away with 'what we call chuch today really isn't church at all'.
Yet we have full grown adults sitting in the tweety bird pews for 40 and 50 years that have no clue whatsoever of Christ's definition of 'the body of Christ'. No clue what 1Cor.12, Ephesians 4, and Romans12 is even about.
They scan over these verses with a glassey look in their sleepy eyes and that's about as far as it gets.
Back to the den on Sunday morning, pay their tithes, snore through another dead sermon, itching for the football game that day, get dismissed, shake a few hands, talk about the game, go home and they call that 'God's fellowship of the Saints', the power pack, Holy Spirit filled, devil stomping, life changing, assembly of God's representatives, and the world tries to hold back the laughter, with no great success! Be right back...'sweetheart, can you bring me that galvanized bucket from the back porch...I'm about to heave'.
Please don't tell me I ramble some. I know it. I have a fire in my bones. As Jeremiah, I'm excluded from most groups. Can't figure out why! Smile. Be free. Be blessed. You'll have to exit Babylon to get there.
Those who demand, do not understand ( a nice little rhyme for you). Tithes are not to be done of necessity or of compulsion, meaning you must do so. That isn't the right mindset, but though we have the liberty to choose such liberty ought to be used wisely.
Tithes and offerings do affect our finances for the better, it is simply based upon the biblical principle of sowing and reaping. If this principle exists, and it does, then to not live by this Kingdom principle that came far before the Law (and therefore isn't legalistic so much so as a spiritual law as say gravity, it exists live by it) isn't the smartest form of stewardship.
One might call it "financial suicide", as one might call someone ignoring gravity by jumping off a building suicide. To ignore such a principle is a matter of life and multiplication or death and subtraction. Yes, they are principles of faith, to give and you shall receive, or on the opposite spectrum to hold on to and lose. In a materialistic and natural mind giving is subtraction but we know from God's word that it will return and some. Its multiplication.
There is no condemnation in Jesus Christ, you do have the option to choose to tithe or not. If you have financial struggles and do not tithe, I would say to do everyone a favor and stop complaining. You have no right to complain about your struggles if you have the solution but choose to ignore it. You have no right to wallow and be petty when you have the keys to set yourself free and yet keep them in your pocket. Get up and open the door, God has given us the solution. People will cry over their poverty and yet not trust the Lord to be faithful to His promises of providence. It's sad but thank God He is giving people revelation and they are now stepping out in faith and seeing His faithfulness. Hallelujah.
PS: Some may not like that line of thinking in the last paragraph, but its rather simple. There is a practical solution and its in the extension of your hand (generosity). Its like I put a pill on a table that cures headaches and a person with a headache refuses to take it yet continues to complain about his pain. He sits there knowing of this supposed solution yet refuses to take a step of faith. How long do you give your shoulder to a man not willing to help himself? I suppose you continue to exhort him to take the pill, in the same way I am exhorting others to tithe and see God move in your finances.
Tithes and offerings do affect our finances for the better, it is simply based upon the biblical principle of sowing and reaping. If this principle exists, and it does, then to not live by this Kingdom principle that came far before the Law (and therefore isn't legalistic so much so as a spiritual law as say gravity, it exists live by it) isn't the smartest form of stewardship.
One might call it "financial suicide", as one might call someone ignoring gravity by jumping off a building suicide. To ignore such a principle is a matter of life and multiplication or death and subtraction. Yes, they are principles of faith, to give and you shall receive, or on the opposite spectrum to hold on to and lose. In a materialistic and natural mind giving is subtraction but we know from God's word that it will return and some. Its multiplication.
There is no condemnation in Jesus Christ, you do have the option to choose to tithe or not. If you have financial struggles and do not tithe, I would say to do everyone a favor and stop complaining. You have no right to complain about your struggles if you have the solution but choose to ignore it. You have no right to wallow and be petty when you have the keys to set yourself free and yet keep them in your pocket. Get up and open the door, God has given us the solution. People will cry over their poverty and yet not trust the Lord to be faithful to His promises of providence. It's sad but thank God He is giving people revelation and they are now stepping out in faith and seeing His faithfulness. Hallelujah.
PS: Some may not like that line of thinking in the last paragraph, but its rather simple. There is a practical solution and its in the extension of your hand (generosity). Its like I put a pill on a table that cures headaches and a person with a headache refuses to take it yet continues to complain about his pain. He sits there knowing of this supposed solution yet refuses to take a step of faith. How long do you give your shoulder to a man not willing to help himself? I suppose you continue to exhort him to take the pill, in the same way I am exhorting others to tithe and see God move in your finances.
i've not seen any concrete evidence that the law of sowing and reaping is even applicable to the religious institution's lie of the monetary tithe.
i have witnessed firsthand faithful tithers who live and die in poverty, never experiencing this "financial harvest that you speak of. My mother is one such example. Faithfully obeyed the preacher's call to tithe for more than half a century, yet lived and died in poverty, not having anything to pass on to her children at her passing. money even had to be borrowed to pay the last thousand dollars on her funeral expenses. Mother had been making monthly payments to the funeral home, but passed before she could make the final eight payments toward her burial package.
On the flipside, there there are many who receive the same amount monthly as my mother did. They never tithe, and their savings not only pay for their funeral expenses, but leave money and property behind to be divided amongst the leave behind.
So, no, the law of "sowing and reaping" does not apply to tithers, other than the congregation sows and the ministers reap.
Poverty: The end result of sowing in another man's garden. The garden belongs to the ministry, and they, like hungry birds, catch away the seed that is strewn therein.
i have witnessed firsthand faithful tithers who live and die in poverty, never experiencing this "financial harvest that you speak of. My mother is one such example. Faithfully obeyed the preacher's call to tithe for more than half a century, yet lived and died in poverty, not having anything to pass on to her children at her passing. money even had to be borrowed to pay the last thousand dollars on her funeral expenses. Mother had been making monthly payments to the funeral home, but passed before she could make the final eight payments toward her burial package.
On the flipside, there there are many who receive the same amount monthly as my mother did. They never tithe, and their savings not only pay for their funeral expenses, but leave money and property behind to be divided amongst the leave behind.
So, no, the law of "sowing and reaping" does not apply to tithers, other than the congregation sows and the ministers reap.
Poverty: The end result of sowing in another man's garden. The garden belongs to the ministry, and they, like hungry birds, catch away the seed that is strewn therein.
We are not entitled to anything on this Earth. Everything we have- money, transportation, food, housing- belongs to God. How do we give back to God? That's where tithing comes in. It's a way of having faith in God that He will continue to provide for us while we continue to give to Him and the church.
G
I am not speaking of your mother.
But we overlook the fact that there are more people in poverty that have the LOVE of money than there are rich people in this world.
The rich preacher preys on the "poor" sheep that sows a seed of faith to double or triple that seed of faith...........because of their LOVE of money.
We can have 20 bucks to our name and LOVE money......How do I get 40!How do I get 60!.....
The rich preacher, preys on the poor persons LOVE of money. Out of the 20000 sitting in the audience, How many want their "seed" to multiply? Probably 80 to 90%.
I see it as divine sarcasm.
But we overlook the fact that there are more people in poverty that have the LOVE of money than there are rich people in this world.
The rich preacher preys on the "poor" sheep that sows a seed of faith to double or triple that seed of faith...........because of their LOVE of money.
We can have 20 bucks to our name and LOVE money......How do I get 40!How do I get 60!.....
The rich preacher, preys on the poor persons LOVE of money. Out of the 20000 sitting in the audience, How many want their "seed" to multiply? Probably 80 to 90%.
I see it as divine sarcasm.
BenFTW, we tithed for a couple of decades and sweat bullets trying to nickel and dime our way to the next pay check. So we tried all the pills you say. Me and many folk I know who staid in financial harms way. You know something Ben ,when I finally obeyed God and quit tithing and started caring for the poor, God started blessing us financially. I no longer sweat bullets trying to 'make it'.
He showed us that we cannot earn a his provision. We cannot buy His provision. He does not, as the church teaches, run a protection agency. The church teaches, as you believe, that if you don't pay up, you'll get beat up.
That is a distortion and a deception that is quite a lucrative plan for hirelings.
Tithers have all kinds of nice Christian speak on tithing but no scripture to back it up.
He showed us that we cannot earn a his provision. We cannot buy His provision. He does not, as the church teaches, run a protection agency. The church teaches, as you believe, that if you don't pay up, you'll get beat up.
That is a distortion and a deception that is quite a lucrative plan for hirelings.
Tithers have all kinds of nice Christian speak on tithing but no scripture to back it up.
You have only learned another financial principle, and put it into practice. 
Proverbs 19:17King James Version (KJV)
17 He that hath pity upon the poor lendeth unto the Lord; and that which he hath given will he pay him again.
His basic provision is by His grace. Prosperity, the "more" is gained through a principle of sowing. His grace is sufficient to meet our needs, some people want more and He is gracious with that too, through the principle of giving (tithing, and offering).
Proverbs 19:17King James Version (KJV)
17 He that hath pity upon the poor lendeth unto the Lord; and that which he hath given will he pay him again.
His basic provision is by His grace. Prosperity, the "more" is gained through a principle of sowing. His grace is sufficient to meet our needs, some people want more and He is gracious with that too, through the principle of giving (tithing, and offering).
G
I know I am an Idiot and can't explain myself really well. But this is what I am talking about. It wasn't the preachers fault that you sat there and tithed away.......It was yours. As soon as YOU had a revelation,left and started freewill giving, things started to click. If we give with the right mindset, God gives back. Because He knows an empty hand that WANTS to give, can't. So he blesses those who WANT to give.
We can't overlook the fact that people who sit in these pews......willingly sit there and are getting what they deserve. Gods word Gives ALL believers the truth......... They just don't pick up the Word and study, so they are easy prey.
We can't overlook the fact that people who sit in these pews......willingly sit there and are getting what they deserve. Gods word Gives ALL believers the truth......... They just don't pick up the Word and study, so they are easy prey.
God's Word reveals He never authorized anyone to take tithes except a king that has been replaced by His Son Jesus Christ; sons of Levi, widows, orphans, and strangers in Israel. It is wrong for Gentile pastors to take tithes from anyone. If people would study God's Word, they just might get the same revelation that both Yet and myself have experienced.
until then, they will continue to give the thief in the pulpit the ten percent he calls for each Sunday. (Saturday for Sabbath observers)
until then, they will continue to give the thief in the pulpit the ten percent he calls for each Sunday. (Saturday for Sabbath observers)
You have only learned another financial principle, and put it into practice.
Proverbs 19:17King James Version (KJV)
17 He that hath pity upon the poor lendeth unto the Lord; and that which he hath given will he pay him again.
His basic provision is by His grace. Prosperity, the "more" is gained through a principle of sowing. His grace is sufficient to meet our needs, some people want more and He is gracious with that too, through the principle of giving (tithing, and offering).
Proverbs 19:17King James Version (KJV)
17 He that hath pity upon the poor lendeth unto the Lord; and that which he hath given will he pay him again.
His basic provision is by His grace. Prosperity, the "more" is gained through a principle of sowing. His grace is sufficient to meet our needs, some people want more and He is gracious with that too, through the principle of giving (tithing, and offering).
So have we won you over? Drop the tithes/ties that bind, and actually allow Christ to live in us. And speak to us dealing with every dime. What a novel thing that would be!
We are His dwelling place, not a brick cathedral. He made that clear. The Babylonian church teaches that we are to be led of the Spirit in everything and in every area of our lives except when it comes to money and giving. If 'pastors', so called, are really in a God ordained hierarchical position, which they are not, then where's their faith? They demand widow Jones to have faith, but they are exempt from having the same.
If they need a new air conditioner , they take it to the church. The widow Jones does not have that luxury. She's got to rely on faith after putting her tithes in the plate shoved under her nose.
Hypocrites and thieves. This madness only continues 'because my people love it so'. It's the people's fault for not studying the word of God on NT giving, when, where, and to whom!
Churched to death unto subservience, slaves to the enemy who foisted upon the body of Christ the lie of the tithe centuries after Christs death and resurrection. Who would have seen that coming? Well it came and it staid and continues along with the false cleric division to keep the saints spiritually dead, though saved, and content in their 'paying audience' mentality.
None of this is in the NT. Would to God the 'church' would stop 'dancing with stars', quit with the Hellywood trash movies long enough to start studying the word without reading Pastor Wonderful's take on it.
Times running out.