Pseudo-Christians.
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Yeah, until May- June of 2014 
I lived my life as transgender and homosexual until God gave me a serious warning about what was gonna happen to me if I wouldnt repent. When I was a teenager I hated God and all that awful rebellious stuff, but I was given a Christian friend who helped me find Him, and was called by Him at around 20, and I started to /believe/ in Him at that point, but I only believed He existed then, without actually following His word. Like even living as transgender I still wore a cross around my neck everyday, thinking back at it now I can see how much I must have angered Him
But yeah, I once called myself a follower of Christ, but actually refused His will and encouraged others to do so. I think alot of us have at some point, sadly. But luckily, for those of us who will seek Him, He will call us out of it.
I dunno what you mean by false Christian though. The pope, thats one thing. I consider catholicism to be a Christ based religion that puts its faith on practices and saints and all these other things that arent from Christ. I dont actually consider catholics to be Christians, I consider them to be their own thing, based on Christ. Some people would disagree with me, I guess : /
I often use the term "heritage Christians", these are the people who were grew up with Christ, and who were raised to believe in Him, and they claim it because of that (like if there were a poll on "what religion you were", and they were asked, theyd just say Christian). But these people dont really do anything more than go to church on Christmas. Other than that, they practice sexual immorality, they use crude language and make offensive jokes, get into things like ghost hunting and the occult, mix the word of God with occult beliefs around the world, like mix up teachings of the quran as being from the bible, Ive even hear some say they dont believe satan actually exists, and most of them act surprised when you show them verses from the bible that show Christ is God. I know this because it was me years ago I dont consider them Christian at all.
I lived my life as transgender and homosexual until God gave me a serious warning about what was gonna happen to me if I wouldnt repent. When I was a teenager I hated God and all that awful rebellious stuff, but I was given a Christian friend who helped me find Him, and was called by Him at around 20, and I started to /believe/ in Him at that point, but I only believed He existed then, without actually following His word. Like even living as transgender I still wore a cross around my neck everyday, thinking back at it now I can see how much I must have angered Him But yeah, I once called myself a follower of Christ, but actually refused His will and encouraged others to do so. I think alot of us have at some point, sadly. But luckily, for those of us who will seek Him, He will call us out of it.
I dunno what you mean by false Christian though. The pope, thats one thing. I consider catholicism to be a Christ based religion that puts its faith on practices and saints and all these other things that arent from Christ. I dont actually consider catholics to be Christians, I consider them to be their own thing, based on Christ. Some people would disagree with me, I guess : /
I often use the term "heritage Christians", these are the people who were grew up with Christ, and who were raised to believe in Him, and they claim it because of that (like if there were a poll on "what religion you were", and they were asked, theyd just say Christian). But these people dont really do anything more than go to church on Christmas. Other than that, they practice sexual immorality, they use crude language and make offensive jokes, get into things like ghost hunting and the occult, mix the word of God with occult beliefs around the world, like mix up teachings of the quran as being from the bible, Ive even hear some say they dont believe satan actually exists, and most of them act surprised when you show them verses from the bible that show Christ is God. I know this because it was me years ago
I dont consider them Christian at all.
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I wouldn't equate "pseudo-Christianity" with "doing the opposite, myself, as Scripture makes it clear that there will be tares who outwardly seem very "religious." They at least claim to do works which they feel evidences faith, yet will be exposed in judgment. The order for tares is to let them alone.
Secondly, I wouldn't equate "pseudo-Christianity" with sin, as all believers are going to sin, and when they are young in the faith we would expect it to happen more frequently because they have not as yet become discerning in regards to sin in their lives, which sometimes, can be the case even after we have walked with the Lord for a while.
So I can attest to the fact that I have sinned after salvation, and still sin, but, the sins are for the most part different than those sins I recognized when I was first saved. Early on I dealt more with outward sin, whereas now I am dealing with sins that are inward. It is my will versus the will of God as presented in Scripture, rather than my works compared to the works of others.
God bless.
Secondly, I wouldn't equate "pseudo-Christianity" with sin, as all believers are going to sin, and when they are young in the faith we would expect it to happen more frequently because they have not as yet become discerning in regards to sin in their lives, which sometimes, can be the case even after we have walked with the Lord for a while.
So I can attest to the fact that I have sinned after salvation, and still sin, but, the sins are for the most part different than those sins I recognized when I was first saved. Early on I dealt more with outward sin, whereas now I am dealing with sins that are inward. It is my will versus the will of God as presented in Scripture, rather than my works compared to the works of others.
God bless.
I think alot of the whole thing with struggling with sin and living in sin that people often fight about with following Christ comes down to repentance, when we repent of our sins, we leave it behind and choose not to do it again. We acknowledge that we were the ones in the wrong, and we come to Him, with the desire to follow Him. We then go from living willingly in what we know is sin, to struggling with temptation of sin. And we all fall into that at some point after coming to Him.
Who I used to be, I claimed the Lord, but I was not with Him. I had not repented of my sins, in fact I based my whole life around them. Now that I have been called, I want Him, and not that old life. I have fallen down since coming to Him, and I have messed up and done stupid things that I know were wrong. But even after thats done, I come back to Him again, with faith He will guide me away from it, and I choose not to live that way again.
I think thats what you should use to judge whether or not someone is actually following Him. Do they deny the life that Christ spoke of, and argue His will? Then they arent following Him. Are they currently struggling with a certain temptation but asking you for help coming back to Him? Then Id say they are one of His followers who are struggling, and we should help them however they can.
To be His follower, you really have to give yourself over to Him.
Who I used to be, I claimed the Lord, but I was not with Him. I had not repented of my sins, in fact I based my whole life around them. Now that I have been called, I want Him, and not that old life. I have fallen down since coming to Him, and I have messed up and done stupid things that I know were wrong. But even after thats done, I come back to Him again, with faith He will guide me away from it, and I choose not to live that way again.
I think thats what you should use to judge whether or not someone is actually following Him. Do they deny the life that Christ spoke of, and argue His will? Then they arent following Him. Are they currently struggling with a certain temptation but asking you for help coming back to Him? Then Id say they are one of His followers who are struggling, and we should help them however they can.
To be His follower, you really have to give yourself over to Him.
You know, I'm not even willing to go so far as to the say the pope definitely isn't a true believer because I don't know him or his situation. It would seem on the outside that he isn't, but so much of our relationship with God is a matter of the heart. Does he commit sins? Of course he does. And the are readily apparent.
Cutting to the chase, I find it difficult to say that anyone is or isnt a true believer when they profess to be.
Cutting to the chase, I find it difficult to say that anyone is or isnt a true believer when they profess to be.
If you had met me before coming to Christ in 2014, would you have been able to tell me Im saved?
I kinda understand what you are saying, when we condemn each other for something like not agreeing with what a verse says, there are times when that doesnt matter (as long as the persons view of it doesnt actually go against His word), but at the same time, someone who is like what I was, could you call them a follower of Christ?
We are all fallen, and none of us are righteous. But we should still stand for His word. At least thats what I think.
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I think there is a danger, YB, of taking this to an extreme that denies that we are not just fallen beings, but new creatures in Christ.
It is true we are still in unredeemed flesh, but, we have the advantage of being indwelt of God Who has promised to cause is to walk in His statutes and keep His ordinances. That does not suggest a keeping of the (Covenant of) Law, but that Law of God which was His intended will for us, where we would love Him and our fellow man, having a compassion like that of God towards fallen man.
So just want to encourage you to keep in mind that the promises of God do hold promise that we are more than just fallen men, but a people peculiar precisely for the reason that we stand apart from those who have not been saved.
God bless.
It is true we are still in unredeemed flesh, but, we have the advantage of being indwelt of God Who has promised to cause is to walk in His statutes and keep His ordinances. That does not suggest a keeping of the (Covenant of) Law, but that Law of God which was His intended will for us, where we would love Him and our fellow man, having a compassion like that of God towards fallen man.
So just want to encourage you to keep in mind that the promises of God do hold promise that we are more than just fallen men, but a people peculiar precisely for the reason that we stand apart from those who have not been saved.
God bless.
well, I personally know a man who will tell you he believes in God, Jesus, Heaven and hell, right and wrong, etc.. then he will tell you how drunk he got at the strip club. so, to me, to say that he is a true believer would not be a true statement. of course, I am not saying that there is no hope for him, or that I do not pray for him, but at this moment he is not acting in way that supports what he says.
Two weeks ago, I was sitting on the floor beside our resident transvestite, holding her hand while she knelt at our stage steps. Maybe she will rethink her orientation, maybe she won't. But God decides her Salvation, today, and the day she dies, not me. I treat her as one of His kids... just like me... messed up, but loving Jesus.
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For every 1 of these types......there are 10000 that Don't get drunk, don't go to strip clubs,go to church,feed the poor, praise Jesus and God,don't smoke,quit cussing,are overtly sweet and nice AND gossip and malign the 1 who got drunk at a strip club because....................they are counting on their lifestyle to be saved.
PLUS, those 10,000 have become masters at hiding their cars and sneaking into the strip club to get drunk and justifying themselves.
Only God knows the heart,(right lobe of the brain) and if they have epignosis knowledge of Christ and His Cross.
PLUS, those 10,000 have become masters at hiding their cars and sneaking into the strip club to get drunk and justifying themselves.
Only God knows the heart,(right lobe of the brain) and if they have epignosis knowledge of Christ and His Cross.
Not to judge those when you're doing the same thing, or worse.....BUT..
1Cor. 5:11-13. But now I have written unto you not to keep company with any man 'called a brother' be a fornicator, or covetous( demanding your tithes. Oops!) or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner (like in threatening folks with Malachi 3:8-10) with such a one don't even eat with (sorry pastor you're eating alone tonight) ).......do you not judge them within (the body of Christ) .....therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
I just made feathers to fly with one stone, strategically placed.
So Willy there is a place to sit Bonny and Mr. Darrow down and say 'hey dumb dumbs, you guys are , I say you guys are living wrong!
Judgement call? You bet!
1Cor. 5:11-13. But now I have written unto you not to keep company with any man 'called a brother' be a fornicator, or covetous( demanding your tithes. Oops!) or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner (like in threatening folks with Malachi 3:8-10) with such a one don't even eat with (sorry pastor you're eating alone tonight) ).......do you not judge them within (the body of Christ) .....therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
I just made feathers to fly with one stone, strategically placed.
So Willy there is a place to sit Bonny and Mr. Darrow down and say 'hey dumb dumbs, you guys are , I say you guys are living wrong!
Judgement call? You bet!
Sure you are...
Just bringing up such a subject thread like this is only a way to create division among believers on Christ Jesus. It does no admonishing for the brethren in understanding God's Word and His Plan of Salvation, but only judgmental questioning of one's Faith in The Gospel of Jesus Christ.
Just bringing up such a subject thread like this is only a way to create division among believers on Christ Jesus. It does no admonishing for the brethren in understanding God's Word and His Plan of Salvation, but only judgmental questioning of one's Faith in The Gospel of Jesus Christ.