Legalism

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KJV1611

KJV1611

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Oh several occasions I have been called a legalist because of the things I say and believe. The problem with most people who called me that is they do not understand the words of our King. Once a king decrees something he will stand behind it no matter who breaks his law. If Jesus said we have to live a certain way and do certain things that is exactly what he meant. Just a few for instance all liars, fornicators, murders, thieves, adulterers, idolaters and so on will not enter the kingdom of God. This means believers have to give up this kind of life style of they will not live with Christ forever. My friends that is not legalism that is called truth.
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The truth is, you are a liar, a fornicator, a murder, a thief and an idolater, we all are... only you wont admit it.
 
resurrection33

resurrection33

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Grandpa said:
People confuse the Law with the Holy Spirit.

Working at the law doesn't produce the Holy Spirit.

Galatians 3:2-3
[SUP]2 [/SUP]This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
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When we repent of our sin, we avoid the unpleasant, sometimes catastrophic, consequences of sin. When Jesus commanded us to repent of our sin (Matt 4:17), he was doing it for our own good.
 
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resurrection33 said:
I'm just making the narrow point that we need to obey the commandments. The Lord gave them to us for our own good. There are too many church leaders out there telling us otherwise, accusing people like me of being legalists. It makes them very popular but is very harmful.
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You are a legalist.

The very definition of a legalist is one who looks to the law to obey it.

You are using your own understanding and will and strength to 'keep' the commandments.

Shouldn't you just own it? Say yes, I'm Resurrection 33 and I'm a legalist. I look to the law and obey it.


I own what I am. A person who can't do what you claim to do. A person who needs Christ and His Holy Spirit to have any hope of Righteousness.

Any sliver of obedience comes as a gift from my King, not my work at His Commands.


Don't you know that obedience to the Commandments is Righteousness? If you can do them then you are righteous.
 
resurrection33

resurrection33

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KJV1611 said:
The truth is, you are a liar, a fornicator, a murder, a thief and an idolater, we all are... only you wont admit it.
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Perhaps we all once were, but Jesus told us to repent (Matt 4:17).
 
resurrection33

resurrection33

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Grandpa said:
You are a legalist.

The very definition of a legalist is one who looks to the law to obey it.

You are using your own understanding and will and strength to 'keep' the commandments.

Shouldn't you just own it? Say yes, I'm Resurrection 33 and I'm a legalist. I look to the law and obey it.


I own what I am. A person who can't do what you claim to do. A person who needs Christ and His Holy Spirit to have any hope of Righteousness.

Any sliver of obedience comes as a gift from my King, not my work at His Commands.


Don't you know that obedience to the Commandments is Righteousness? If you can do them then you are righteous.
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I am not a legalist. Jesus led me to repent of certain sins I used to commit, and my life has been miraculously transformed. Is it wrong that I should share this information with other Christians?
 
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iwant2serve said:
Oh several occasions I have been called a legalist because of the things I say and believe. The problem with most people who called me that is they do not understand the words of our King. Once a king decrees something he will stand behind it no matter who breaks his law. If Jesus said we have to live a certain way and do certain things that is exactly what he meant. Just a few for instance all liars, fornicators, murders, thieves, adulterers, idolaters and so on will not enter the kingdom of God. This means believers have to give up this kind of life style of they will not live with Christ forever. My friends that is not legalism that is called truth.
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And paul said such were some of you, but you were washed sanctified and justified in the name of CHrist.

Those are not characteristics of believers.. and they did not become Christians because they stopped. They stopped because they were born again. by faith in Christ.

to say otherwise is legalism.
 
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resurrection33 said:
"You know the commandments: `Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honor your father and mother.'" Luke 18:20 RSV
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so you obey them perfectly?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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resurrection33 said:
I'm just making the narrow point that we need to obey the commandments. The Lord gave them to us for our own good. There are too many church leaders out there telling us otherwise, accusing people like me of being legalists. It makes them very popular but is very harmful.
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I keep hearing this, But I have never heard a biblical pastor say this.. and I have been to hundreds of churches in my lifetime (being retired military and all)
 
iwant2serve

iwant2serve

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KJV1611 said:
The truth is, you are a liar, a fornicator, a murder, a thief and an idolater, we all are... only you wont admit it.
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1COR 6:9-11
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

 
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resurrection33 said:
I am not a legalist. Jesus led me to repent of certain sins I used to commit, and my life has been miraculously transformed. Is it wrong that I should share this information with other Christians?
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NO. Not at all.

So why are you preaching law if Jesus led you to repent? Shouldn't you be preaching the miraculous transformation the Lord Jesus Christ has done in your life?
 
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gotime

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KJV1611 said:
Do you admit that you still lie?
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If you do not know for a fact that He lies then why ask this question. Not everyone lies. Some have found victory in Christ.

Do you not have victory in faith in Christ? have you not experienced the power of the Holy Spirit creating us into new creatures?
 
KJV1611

KJV1611

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gotime said:
If you do not know for a fact that He lies then why ask this question. Not everyone lies. Some have found victory in Christ.

Do you not have victory in faith in Christ? have you not experienced the power of the Holy Spirit creating us into new creatures?
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I know for a fact that every human being that walks the face of this earth lies.
 
resurrection33

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eternally-gratefull said:
I keep hearing this, But I have never heard a biblical pastor say this.. and I have been to hundreds of churches in my lifetime (being retired military and all)
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A lot of pastors have come out publicly in favor of same-sex marriage, despite what the Lord said:

You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination. Lev 18:22 RSV
 
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FreeNChrist

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resurrection33 said:
You asked a difficult question, so I just quoted Jesus when he was asked a similar question. His answer is the official one. I will make a few suggestions of my own:

Be chaste.
Be sober.
Be humble.
Love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind, and soul.
Love your neighbor as yourself.
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Well, if our safety and happiness depends on these requirements we should have the complete list don't you think?
 
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