The Holy Ghost

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If someone tells you something in church and you don't know if it's true, how do you find out if it is true?

JAMES
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5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.

How do you believe he tells you? Do you believe he tells you through the holy spirit or do you believe God no longer answers prayers? If it's by the holy spirit then how does that work? How do you know it's the holy spirit? Please describe exactly what you've experienced.
 
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Before you go to God, ask yourself, "Am I part of the problem? Am I part of the solution?" If you are neither, then it is gossip and you shouldn't even set your mind on it. If you are part of the problem or part of the solution, then pary for God to give you discernment and then go to the parties involved. If the situation is so sensitive that you cannot go to the people involved, then go to prayer. Pray until you get an answer or until the problem is resolved. Do not always expect that God will give you an answer, even if you are the intercessor. If the problem may involve the salvation or Christian walk of someone young in the Lord and you do not have the authority to intercede, go to whomever has authority.
 
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Mute said:
If someone tells you something in church and you don't know if it's true, how do you find out if it is true?

JAMES
CHAPTER 1
5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.

How do you believe he tells you? Do you believe he tells you through the holy spirit or do you believe God no longer answers prayers? If it's by the holy spirit then how does that work? How do you know it's the holy spirit? Please describe exactly what you've experienced.
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God will reward the one who earnestly seeks Him. Many will say that it must be by faith. But the simple fact is that if you are seeking Him, then it is by faith, because we do not see Him. No man has seen God at any time. So the first hurdle is done. You believe, else you would not seek Him. And if you really seek Him, with your heart, then He will reward you.

Here is the catch. He is God, and He will tell you what He wants you to know. Many times He will answer, explain, teach what we want to know about, but at other times He makes us wait, because we are not ready to receive that particular wisdom. As a result, I often only seek Him for what He would tell me. I did have a scripture once that I really wanted to understand as He understands it. It was about 3 years before I did understand, and received the wisdom from above concerning that particular facet of His truth, which I should say is all contained in Jesus Christ, for He is the truth.
 
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I should add that one thing that helps with your question about how to know if it is Him; read the word, the scriptures, the bible, not to come to any conclusion, but just to feed it to your heart. The Spirit uses the word to enlighten us, if it is in us. We do not need to memorize it, He can bring it to our memory, pulling it up to the forefront of our hearts, and then open it to us with great wonder and power. It is revelation from above, from God by His Spirit.

His blessing in Christ Jesus and His Spirit.
 
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Mute said:
If someone tells you something in church and you don't know if it's true, how do you find out if it is true?

JAMES
CHAPTER 1
5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.

How do you believe he tells you? Do you believe he tells you through the holy spirit or do you believe God no longer answers prayers? If it's by the holy spirit then how does that work? How do you know it's the holy spirit? Please describe exactly what you've experienced.
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Go to a bible study group in your church,too bad your chrch doesn't have bible school on Sundays like the church i belong to does. but just the same,go to someone whose an elder in your church and ask them.Whatever you do,don't ask your 'friends" because your faith is personal to you and no one else.
 
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Go to a bible study group in your church,too bad your chrch doesn't have bible school on Sundays like the church i belong to does. but just the same,go to someone whose an elder in your church and ask them.Whatever you do,don't ask your 'friends" because your faith is personal to you and no one else.
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This is not an answer, because it relies on man, and not on God. It is God we believe in, right?
 
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If God leads you to a person to teach you, then by all means go to that person, because it will be God who is teaching by His Spirit. And this happens all the time. I have been used in this way, and was humbled and honored, both at once.

Still, our trust is in God.
 
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If anything is told to you the first thing you should do is go to the scriptures to see if it lines up. You should consider the reputation of the individual who told you things too, whether they themselves have a close relationship with God. Lastly and most important, you need to be studying and walking with the Lord to hear if it confirms in your spirit. If it's of God, believe me he will bang that word into your head a million times if He has to for you to get it! Pray about it- the Lord speaks this day and age.
The Bible, prayer, and other Godly people are our direct link to Christ. He will place circumstances in our lives that leads us the direction He wants us to be.
 
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This is not an answer, because it relies on man, and not on God. It is God we believe in, right?
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so the pastor of the church isnt suppossed to guide this young man?
 
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so the pastor of the church isnt suppossed to guide this young man?
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If he does so by the power of the Holy Spirit, absolutely. If it is by his own knowledge, I would shy away from it.

Here is why. I read book after book, listened to teacher after teacher, had pastor after pastor. All this over a period of more than 30 years. Then one day, I came to understand that the Holy Spirit is Jesus' voice to me, in me. Very little of what I learned in the first 30 years was retained after He came to be my teacher. Now I know people who teach in the power of the Holy Spirit, and what they teach is witnessed to by the Spirit in me.

I heard it said one time that the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

The road to heaven is actually and in reality the Holy Spirit.

He is God, the Spirit of Christ and of the Father. He is one with the Father and the Son, and He wants to be one with us and in us, so that we might be one with the Son by Him.
 
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We don't preach the Holy Spirit as the way to heaven. You are way off base. We preach Christ and Him crucified because that is the gospel. We preach the cross and the blood of Christ that cleanses us from all sin and that purges the conscience from dead works to serve a living God. You are way off on a tangent and you need to get it straightened out. Stop your double-talking when you get backed up in a corner and start saying these strange things about the Spirit. You have a weird and strange spirit about you and your heart is not right about these things either. You are turning the Holy Spirit into some kind of shrine of your own personal religion.
 
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We don't preach the Holy Spirit as the way to heaven. You are way off base. We preach Christ and Him crucified because that is the gospel. We preach the cross and the blood of Christ that cleanses us from all sin and that purges the conscience from dead works to serve a living God. You are way off on a tangent and you need to get it straightened out. Stop your double-talking when you get backed up in a corner and start saying these strange things about the Spirit. You have a weird and strange spirit about you and your heart is not right about these things either. You are turning the Holy Spirit into some kind of shrine of your own personal religion.
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Brother, (can I say that to you,) if one does not have the Holy Spirit, then that one is not of God. And oddly enough, this is scripture.

Now, I tried to not argue with you. You would not. Now I am a charlatan. A possessed person who has a strange relationship with the Holy Spirit. I sometimes wonder if you even see what you are writing.

Let me say what I have said in the beginning. The Holy Spirit is God. The bible is not God. The Holy Spirit is God in us. The bible is from God. Jesus is not the written word, but is the living word made flesh. He is not something you can hold in your hand, nor in your head. If the bible has become so important to someone that they cannot obey the Spirit,then that one has made an idol of the great gift from God, His written word. Last but not least by far, someone who cannot submit to the Holy Spirit in their ministry is subject to a controlling spirit of religion. The Holy Spirit is God who has accomplished the work of causing us to be born again, of the very same Spirit. In that way He is our parent. Anyone who will not submit to the Holy Spirit will not submit to God.

Well, I see we are at the juncture when our extreme stance has place us in the position of making rash statements which are not well considered. At that point this is no longer profitable.

Goodby.
 
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Brother, (can I say that to you,) if one does not have the Holy Spirit, then that one is not of God. And oddly enough, this is scripture.

Now, I tried to not argue with you. You would not. Now I am a charlatan. A possessed person who has a strange relationship with the Holy Spirit. I sometimes wonder if you even see what you are writing.

Let me say what I have said in the beginning. The Holy Spirit is God. The bible is not God. The Holy Spirit is God in us. The bible is from God. Jesus is not the written word, but is the living word made flesh. He is not something you can hold in your hand, nor in your head. If the bible has become so important to someone that they cannot obey the Spirit,then that one has made an idol of the great gift from God, His written word. Last but not least by far, someone who cannot submit to the Holy Spirit in their ministry is subject to a controlling spirit of religion. The Holy Spirit is God who has accomplished the work of causing us to be born again, of the very same Spirit. In that way He is our parent. Anyone who will not submit to the Holy Spirit will not submit to God.

Well, I see we are at the juncture when our extreme stance has place us in the position of making rash statements which are not well considered. At that point this is no longer profitable.

Goodby.
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What is so disheartening is that a man who says that he loves God has such little esteem for the word of God and those that have been raised up by God to teach it, the very word that will judge him in the last days. The Spirit will not judge you the word will. The Spirit will not give an account of your life, the pastor-teacher that God put over you that you were suppose to be under and learn humility. To all those young believers that come to Christ, 'Wherewithal shall a young man cleanse his way, by taking heed thereto according to thy word' / Ps 119:9. The word is a lamp unto my feet and a light unto my path / Ps 119:105. Man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God / My 4:4. Thy word have I hid in my heart that I might not sin against thee / Ps 119:11.

To all those young believers that God has called by grace. Put yourself under a man of God that teaches the word of God day and night and esteems the word of God above all that is necessary. Mark that man, honor that man, pray for that man and submit to the word that he teaches and preaches.

Col 3:16,17 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.
17 And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.
 
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charisenexcelcis said:
Before you go to God, ask yourself, "Am I part of the problem? Am I part of the solution?" If you are neither, then it is gossip and you shouldn't even set your mind on it. If you are part of the problem or part of the solution, then pary for God to give you discernment and then go to the parties involved. If the situation is so sensitive that you cannot go to the people involved, then go to prayer. Pray until you get an answer or until the problem is resolved. Do not always expect that God will give you an answer, even if you are the intercessor. If the problem may involve the salvation or Christian walk of someone young in the Lord and you do not have the authority to intercede, go to whomever has authority.
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I'm not asking about gossip. It's a hypothetical question. I'm asking how to receive an answer from God about scripture or anything. If you want to know something is true how do you believe God tells you? Do you believe he tells you through the Holy Ghost? You say pray until you know the answer but how do know you got an answer? Can you give me an example?
 
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God will reward the one who earnestly seeks Him. Many will say that it must be by faith. But the simple fact is that if you are seeking Him, then it is by faith, because we do not see Him. No man has seen God at any time. So the first hurdle is done. You believe, else you would not seek Him. And if you really seek Him, with your heart, then He will reward you.

Here is the catch. He is God, and He will tell you what He wants you to know. Many times He will answer, explain, teach what we want to know about, but at other times He makes us wait, because we are not ready to receive that particular wisdom. As a result, I often only seek Him for what He would tell me. I did have a scripture once that I really wanted to understand as He understands it. It was about 3 years before I did understand, and received the wisdom from above concerning that particular facet of His truth, which I should say is all contained in Jesus Christ, for He is the truth.
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This does not answer how you get an answer though. I want to know how you get an answer. How do you know you got an answer? How do you know it's from God? Is it just because you suddenly understood something? I don't understand.
 
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I should add that one thing that helps with your question about how to know if it is Him; read the word, the scriptures, the bible, not to come to any conclusion, but just to feed it to your heart. The Spirit uses the word to enlighten us, if it is in us. We do not need to memorize it, He can bring it to our memory, pulling it up to the forefront of our hearts, and then open it to us with great wonder and power. It is revelation from above, from God by His Spirit.

His blessing in Christ Jesus and His Spirit.
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Could you clarify this? I don't understand what you're saying by that.
 
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squidmike said:
Go to a bible study group in your church,too bad your chrch doesn't have bible school on Sundays like the church i belong to does. but just the same,go to someone whose an elder in your church and ask them.Whatever you do,don't ask your 'friends" because your faith is personal to you and no one else.
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Well how do you know if what they say is true? Do you believe you can ask God and he will tell you? If so how? Can you explain in detail?
 
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If anything is told to you the first thing you should do is go to the scriptures to see if it lines up. You should consider the reputation of the individual who told you things too, whether they themselves have a close relationship with God. Lastly and most important, you need to be studying and walking with the Lord to hear if it confirms in your spirit. If it's of God, believe me he will bang that word into your head a million times if He has to for you to get it! Pray about it- the Lord speaks this day and age.
The Bible, prayer, and other Godly people are our direct link to Christ. He will place circumstances in our lives that leads us the direction He wants us to be.
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How do you know if it lines up? Your interpretation of the scriptures may be incorrect. If you want to know if you're interpretation is right, how do you find out? What if you think the scriptures say something that they don't? How would God tell you if your interpretation of the scriptures is wrong and you're told something that differs from what you already believe the scriptures say? If you went to the scriptures, it wouldn't line up with what you believe the scriptures say. How do you know your interpretation of the scriptures is right?

How do you know that person has a close relationship with God? How do you know they're right and not a preacher of another faith?

That thought that God's going to bang into your head how do you know that thought is from God? Is it the repetition of it? Thoughts come into your mind often and how do you know where those thoughts come from? There are thoughts that come into your mind often that are obviously not from God. How do you distinguish between a thought that comes from God and one that comes from yourself?

What do you mean to have it confirmed to your spirit?
 
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If he does so by the power of the Holy Spirit, absolutely. If it is by his own knowledge, I would shy away from it.

Here is why. I read book after book, listened to teacher after teacher, had pastor after pastor. All this over a period of more than 30 years. Then one day, I came to understand that the Holy Spirit is Jesus' voice to me, in me. Very little of what I learned in the first 30 years was retained after He came to be my teacher. Now I know people who teach in the power of the Holy Spirit, and what they teach is witnessed to by the Spirit in me.

I heard it said one time that the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

The road to heaven is actually and in reality the Holy Spirit.

He is God, the Spirit of Christ and of the Father. He is one with the Father and the Son, and He wants to be one with us and in us, so that we might be one with the Son by Him.
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What do you mean by Holy Spirit? How is someone guided by it? Can you explain this?
 
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If someone tells you something in church and you don't know if it's true, how do you find out if it is true?

JAMES
CHAPTER 1
5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.

How do you believe he tells you? Do you believe he tells you through the holy spirit or do you believe God no longer answers prayers? If it's by the holy spirit then how does that work? How do you know it's the holy spirit? Please describe exactly what you've experienced.
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If it brings freedom then it's likely of God, If it is not in a hurry, likely of God. If it glorifies a person or experience I would question it. If it gives you only part of the inheritance that is already yours in Christ Jesus I doubt it is of God ( It also could be a baby Christian who doesn't know how to speak) If it keeps you dependent on a person or experience I would have my doubts. Any of these things give me a red flag, I still listen but am more careful.
 
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