ONE BAPTISM - Ephesians 4:5

[Butch5]

To the first line - yes, I understood that and notuptome's post that your posted to was written for SeaBass - is what I meant. Not meaning to confuse here.

I agree with what you've written here. My reason for applying those verses from Acts 10 was that I do believe that they would not have 'received the Holy Spirit' [vs 47] unless they were saved at that time and then they were baptized in water after receiving His Spirit. God knew these folks "got it" as He even cut off Peter's sermon to finish the work Himself, so that HE got the Glory and not Peter. I think in His Word - He doesn't stay in 'our box' but will do things differently for very good reasons.

Let me just throw this out there about those that teach OSAS from the "election" point of view - my only answer is - We are "elect according to the 'foreknowledge' of God", Peter said --- in that God "forknew" who would remain faithful unto the end - so yes, in that case - if God "forknew" who would continue in obedience to His Word by faith until their life ends or repents and are restored - then yes, the elect are OSAS - but only He knows who those are because we're all still alive. Could be why I've appreciated Phil 3 as much as I do and see it in Paul's writings elsewhere, besides in vs 3:11.
I do believe that a person can fall away and that we're seeing that apostasy in these last 3 decades especially.

Thank you for the reply, Brother!

Hi ChristIsGod,

If you believe that salvation is a one time event and that when Cornelius received the Holy Spirit he was saved, how do you address the fact that his sins had not yet been remitted. Sins are remitted in Water Baptism, so if Cornelius was saved at that point he still had unremitted sins, how do you address that?

Regarding your second point about the elect, I don't hold to either the typical Arminian view, that God looked down through the corridors of time to see who would remain faithful, nor do I accept the Calvinist position that God chose individuals to be saved or lost. I don't believe either of those view can be supported by the Scriptures. However, I do believe the view I hold can be supported by the Scriptures. My view is that God chose to save those who would believe.

I believe the Calvinist and Arminian view are based in a misunderstanding of Ephesian 1. The passage in question is,

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: 5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, (Eph 1:1 KJV)

It is my contention here that this passage is not speaking of Christians or individuals but rather of the Jewish People. God chose the Jews because He had made certain promises to Abraham. I can back this up from Scripture but it is a bit lengthy. If you'd like me to present more just let me know.

 

[SeaBass]

Hi Brother! I differ on the Holy Spirit baptism 'not existing' but I agree with you on the verse you reference, that it is talking about water baptism.
The Holy Spirit baptism that we see in Acts, starting at Pentecost was spoken of by the Baptist & fulfilled in Acts - Luke 3:16 John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire.

I'm sure you have a concordance, Brother - there are more than just 'one' use of the term baptizmo [G907].
Granted it's a lot of work to find everywhere that term is used and how it's used - but that doesn't make what you're saying wrong about which baptism is used in Eph 4:5. I agree that it's water baptism.

Why then wasn't the eunuch baptized with the Holy Spirit? what is the baptism of 1 Cor 1:14,16?

There is just ONE baptism in effect today, Eph 4:5 and that one baptism is Christ's baptism of the great commission that lasts till the end of the world, Mt 28:19,20. And this baptism has humans/disciples going teaching and WATER baptizing to make one a disciple.

Acts 1:1-5 baptism with the Holy Spirit was promised to the apostles, no one else.

Joel prophesied baptism with the Holy Spirit...""And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh;..." Joel 2:28

When the HS fell upon the apostles Peter quoted Joel in Acts 2:16ff. So Peter made a direct connection between Joel's prophecy of baptism with the HS and the apostles being baptized with the HS.

Joel said God's spirit would be poured out upon ALL FLESH. This phrase"ALL FLESH" does not mean every single person ( or animals that have flesh) would be baptized with the HS but Joel was dividing humanity into the two groups at that time Jews and non-Jews.

The only two places in the bible baptism with the HS takes place is with the apostles who were Jews in Acts 2 and the non-Jews/Gentiles in Acts 10. So when the Jews (apostles) and Gentiles (Cornelius) were baptized with the HS then ALL FLESH was baptized with the HS thereby FULFILLING Joel's prophecy bring that baptism to an end.

You agree that Eph 4:5 is water baptism so verses as Mk 16;16; Jn 3:5; Acts 2:38; 1 Cor 1:14,16; 1 Cor 12:13; Gal 3:27; Rom 6:3-6 1 pet 3:21 are all teh ONE WATER baptism of Eph 4:5 and these verses show water baptism is the means God has chosen to save man. There cannot be water baptism and spirit baptism today for that is TWO baptisms not one per Eph 4:5.

 

[SeaBass]

Matthew 12:31
31Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. 32And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

SeaBass,
Some of us here, me included, have been anointed with the Holy Spirit and have it dwelling inside of us today (Praise be to God our Father and Jesus Christ our Savior!) and that without having been immersed in water prior to receiving the Holy Spirit (with the exception of being in our mother's womb). We are not against water baptism but we know it is not a necessary work to receive the Holy Spirit from personal experience. The Holy Spirit comes after faith in Jesus Christ. You are denying this because the Holy Spirit is foreign to your fleshly mind as it was to ours prior to receiving it while we served the will of man thinking we did well. I was a catholic for almost 33 years and the works performed in obedience to the catholic faith did not bring me any closer to God than if I was sitting on my couch thinking about Him. Faith avails much, works do nothing but blind the believer into thinking they are good with God even though they remain a slave to sin.

Matthew 23:25
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess. 26Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.

Mk 16;16; Jn 3:5; Acts 2:38; 1 Cor 1:14,16; 1 Cor 12:13; Gal 3:27; Rom 6:3-6 1 Pet 3:21 along with other verses proves to me beyond a shadow of any doubt God has chosen water baptism as the means, the point at which He saves men.

 

[SeaBass]

Is the baptism of 1 Cor 1:14,15 or Acts 8:38 Holy Spirit baptism?

Is the baptism of 1 Cor 1:14,16 the same ONE baptism of 1 Cor 12:13?

 

[dcontroversal]

Hebrews 6:2 Of the doctrine of BAPTISMS<---plural

 

[SeaBass]

Eph 4:5 ONE baptism. One baptism in effect in this present dispensation.

Is the baptism of 1 Cor 1:14,15 or Acts 8:38 Holy Spirit baptism?

Is the baptism of 1 Cor 1:14,16 the same ONE baptism of 1 Cor 12:13?

 

[plaintalk]

One baptism- #2
Is the baptism with the Spirit the only baptism which saves?
IMO both Jesus our Lord (Mark 16: 15, 16) and Peter (1 Peter 3: 21) indicate that the baptism in water in the name of Christ saves. God bless.

 

[plaintalk]

One Baptism #19
Is baptism with the Spirit a command or a promise? Where was anyone commanded to be baptized with the Spirit? Jesus our Lord authorized the baptism in water in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit to make disciples of all nations. (Matt. 28: 18-20) While the practices of the old covenant foreshadowed the events of the new covenant, to imply that water baptism is merely a Jewish tradition is a little misleading IMO. Baptism in water is a heart matter also. Philip told the eunuch if you believe with all your heart, you may be baptized. (Acts 8: 36-38) God bless.

 

[plaintalk]

One Baptism #6
Cornelius was baptized with the Spirit (Acts 11: 16) and with water. (Acts 10: 47, 48) Was that one or two baptisms? God bless.

 

[mailmandan]

Even though there are baptism(s) plural, in Matthew 3:11 we read - I baptize you with 1. water for repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, and I am not fit to remove His sandals; He will baptize you with the 2. Holy Spirit and 3. fire.

*There is only ONE baptism that places us into the body of Christ and that is SPIRIT baptism, not water baptism.

Ephesians 4:5 - one Lord, one faith, one baptism.

1 Corinthians 12:13 - For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body--whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free--and have all been made to drink into one Spirit.

 

[posthuman]

there is exactly one thing we need to be immersed in, in order to be saved:
Christ Jesus.

 

[plaintalk]

One baptism #19
When we obey (repentance and baptism?) Jesus Christ, we are sprinkled with His blood. (1 Peter 1: 2) As our bodies are washed with pure water, our hearts are sprinkled clean with the blood of Christ. (Heb. 10: 22; 9: 14) IMO the water and the blood come into play together at baptism. God bless.

 

[skylove7]

The church I grew up in baptized us once a summer
I have been baptized bout 12 times
I'm good lol
Unless the preacher perhaps just liked 'dunking' me lol


Jesus knows I love Him lol

 

[chancer]

I think 12 times should cover it lol

 

[skylove7]

Please forgive me dear friends
I haven't the time right yet to read this thread
I just saw baptism

But I will say this I know.....
Everytime I was baptized
It WAS beautiful
And wheh I came up out of the water
I DID feel Jesus
That I do remember
Was a feeling like I never known
Praise God!

 

[skylove7]

HaHa
You're a doll brother Chancer thank you!
And yes lol
12 times sure did! Lol

 

[posthuman]

wow skylove, never heard of a church doing that before. interesting!
i'd say 12 times is plenty haha -- Naaman only dipped 7 times!

 

[chancer]

thanks sis, ur gr8 too LOL

 

[chancer]

wow skylove, never heard of a church doing that before. interesting!
i'd say 12 times is plenty haha -- Naaman only dipped 7 times!

Naaman obviously wasn't quite as spiritual ;-)

 

[skylove7]

Yes I agree PostHuman
Lol
It was alot
The church my daddy raised me in
I won't put down the church publically
But the preacher did things 'his' own way sometimes
But I did enjoy every baptism
When you are baptized it's YOUR time with God
It don't matter if the church is good, bad, right or wrong
A baptism is beautiful to you!

That's all that matters
One time or twenty....it's YOUR time with Jesus!
Amen