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blue_ladybug

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bad things happen to good people , God is ready and willing to go through anything we encounter . where do you draw the line and stop trusting God ? we are asked to rejoice in everything ...not except this or that thing ....Jesus has the answer to all experiences faced by his people. Remember who you are in Christ when things are at there darkest and the light will lead you out of that darkness.
​Read all the threads in my signature below. Then you'll see just how true the last sentence of your comment is.. :) I NEVER give up. It's not in my nature to let satan beat me down. As long as there is breath in my body, satan will not conquer me!! I'm a daughter of God, and he is my Savior and will shield me from satan. :eek:
 
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My back is killin' me this morning (too much time building a patio in about a third of our backyard), so I slept late and just woke up to find a full-blown knock-down, drag-out over the subject of abortion. Dang, Guys... so early in the morning?

What are you discussing, the moral legality of abortion, or a woman's right to choose?

Of course I have 2 cent's worth to add. I may have missed it, but I didn't see anyone saying abortion was fine. It can't be. To even argue that it is would be an awfully limited view to take. I, personally, think it should not be used as birth control. But, let's face it... It is.

So, to me, the question comes down to one of two things. Try to legislate denial of abortion (as if enacting laws ever stopped anything), or to permit abortions under legal, safely performed conditions. It only seems logical that the second scenario is preferable to the first. It just seems to be a matter of reasons and criteria.

We (the people) have already agreed to even schools handing out condoms. That is, to me, just denying a chance for life a little earlier than abortion. ALL WHO WANT TO JUMP ON THAT, notice that I said "a chance for life." Physically, "No" it is not the same, but the mindset is still the same..... "I want to screw around, and not have the responsibility of possibly having to face a pregnancy."

Anybody in disagreement with what I have written so far?
 
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Ah, but we can't leave it here--people will scream: "What about rape? ... What about those special circumstances? What about those minority cases?"
Brother Justin the stats are that 3 or 4 percent of abortions are do to rape,medical reasons or molestation.What say we about the other 95%? Do we justify all abortions for 4%? I think not. And I mean no disrespect to you.
 
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Does anyone anywhere ever once consider their own lives ? Why you might ask ? well but for the grace of God your mothers and mine chose to have us . No one who loves Jesus can decide to end an unborn life for any single reason none . God knits life into a womb ...Or there would be no life started . Its not ok to make Jesus cry . The very basic reason for abortion has nothing to do with rights it is a choice made in ignorence of Jesus ...it becomes child sacrifice pure and simple to satan . America is fixing to despair because of its abortion practices....
Once upon a time a woman had two children and was pregnant with her third. It was during the Depression and she and her husband were poor. People stressed that she should have an abortion and she reluctantly agreed though her heart was heavy.

The day arrived to visit the doctor who would abort her child. As she was leaving her home a severe thunderstorm rolled through so she went back inside to wait out the storm. During those ten minutes of waiting the woman decided she was going to keep her baby. Several months later my mother was born.
 

blue_ladybug

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Once upon a time a woman had two children and was pregnant with her third. It was during the Depression and she and her husband were poor. People stressed that she should have an abortion and she reluctantly agreed though her heart was heavy.

The day arrived to visit the doctor who would abort her child. As she was leaving her home a severe thunderstorm rolled through so she went back inside to wait out the storm. During those ten minutes of waiting the woman decided she was going to keep her baby. Several months later my mother was born.
Thanks for sharing, Utah. Your story just proves my point that God can and does intervene sometimes. Like I told Texas, if God has plans for that unborn child, ain't nothing gonna be able to abort it. :)
 
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Hope yer back gets feelin' better, Willie-T!

Must've had nice weather like we did.
 
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My back is killin' me this morning (too much time building a patio in about a third of our backyard), so I slept late and just woke up to find a full-blown knock-down, drag-out over the subject of abortion. Dang, Guys... so early in the morning?

What are you discussing, the moral legality of abortion, or a woman's right to choose?

Of course I have 2 cent's worth to add. I may have missed it, but I didn't see anyone saying abortion was fine. It can't be. To even argue that it is would be an awfully limited view to take. I, personally, think it should not be used as birth control. But, let's face it... It is.

So, to me, the question comes down to one of two things. Try to legislate denial of abortion (as if enacting laws ever stopped anything), or to permit abortions under legal, safely performed conditions. It only seems logical that the second scenario is preferable to the first. It just seems to be a matter of reasons and criteria.

We (the people) have already agreed to even schools handing out condoms. That is, to me, just denying a chance for life a little earlier than abortion. ALL WHO WANT TO JUMP ON THAT, notice that I said "a chance for life." Physically, "No" it is not the same, but the mindset is still the same..... "I want to screw around, and not have the responsibility of possibly having to face a pregnancy."

Anybody in disagreement with what I have written so far?
I don't want women having back-alley abortions but neither do I want abortion to be available on demand as a means for convenient birth control. And I darn well don't like tax dollars paying for abortions. Personal irresponsibility is promoted by the government. The more people need government, the more government will flourish, and so will tyranny.
 
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I don't want women having back-alley abortions but neither do I want abortion to be available on demand as a means for convenient birth control. And I darn well don't like tax dollars paying for abortions. Personal irresponsibility is promoted by the government. The more people need government, the more government will flourish, and so will tyranny.
Agreed........ on all points. So, where does that leave us?

Certainly, we all know that, as it ALWAYS seems to, it comes back to the family. Something that Republicans are trying to destroy although not as much as the Democrats are.
 
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Agreed........ on all points. So, where does that leave us?

Certainly, we all know that, as it ALWAYS seems to, it comes back to the family. Something that Republicans are trying to destroy although not as much as the Democrats are.
I think it leaves where we've been for quite some time; us needing a President like Rand Paul, but not believing we could ever elect such a man.
 
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I think it leaves where we've been for quite some time; us needing a President like Rand Paul, but not believing we could ever elect such a man.
Interesting. I have to admit that I really know very little about him. He's a bit of an isolationist, right.
 
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Interesting. I have to admit that I really know very little about him. He's a bit of an isolationist, right.
I'd say that about all candidates--that I really know very little about them.

What I like about Rand -- he was for a smaller government and more individual liberty/freedom. He wanted to abolish things like socialist welfare and the Federal Reserve Bank.

I have heard it said that Americans do not truly want freedom--and I'm beginning to think this is very true of the masses. The masses don't want liberty--they want security and socialist welfare programs.

...and, yes--I'd say he's a bit of an isolationist.
 
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I'd say that about all candidates--that I really know very little about them.

What I like about Rand -- he was for a smaller government and more individual liberty/freedom. He wanted to abolish things like socialist welfare and the Federal Reserve Bank.

I have heard it said that Americans do not truly want freedom--and I'm beginning to think this is very true of the masses. The masses don't want liberty--they want security and socialist welfare programs.
That's probably the popular consensus.
 
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It's very irritating that people want to politicize abortion(and other issues) which is the devil's way of dividing the country even further! Water down murder and call it "pro choice"

"Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!" Isa 5:20


The blood of innocent babies cry out to God, and He does hear them, just like He heard the blood of Abel!

"And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground." Gen 4:10



 
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Agreed........ on all points. So, where does that leave us?

Certainly, we all know that, as it ALWAYS seems to, it comes back to the family. Something that Republicans are trying to destroy although not as much as the Democrats are.
We Christians should be louder and more prevalent than hurricane force winds, promoting the decency and good sense God has shared with the world. The more God's Word prevails, the less abortions and all other deeds of decadence will take place. I'm sick and tired of the godless calling the shots and enacting their policies at the detriment of others, especially our most innocent and vulnerable brethren. For now, that means voting people into office who are less likely to promote abortion on demand.
 

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Don't feel bad, Utah. I get alot of flack on here for how I say things. I'd rather give raw hard truth, rather than sugarcoated fantasy of what people want to hear. They don't want to hear that their marriage may not reconcile, or that if they're gay, their going to hell if they don't repent. They'd rather hear "oh it's okay dear, it'll all work out" or "it's alright, you're gay but God forgives gays". No he does not, UNLESS they repent. I'm always getting called out on how I respond to people, but my outlook is, if ya don't want help, advice or opinions, then don't ask!! Because some will gloss it over, and others will tell it hard, raw and ugly. I'm a Vermonter, that's how I roll. ;)
Three years in this tiny frozen thundra state, and I am still getting acquainted to how you guys do some (to me strange) things.
Its like geographical purgatory here for me.
Worse yet, as recently as 4 months ago I was moving this summer, and what do I hear from God: "stay". So I am saying to my self, or maybe to God. Lord, I don't like it here 5 months out of the year. The state religion here is mother nature. Tree huggers all.
So I know thta this is the first or 2nd most unchurched state in the country, and Burlington is the second most unchurched city either in the country, or at least on the whole of the east coast.
I have been here three years, and not once, and I am not exaggerating, not once, habve I heard anyone mention God or Jesus in any public place I have been to.
Not in a store, or a restaurant, or a movie theater, and so on. I had lunch with a Christian brother about 5 months ago at a restaurant, and of course we were speaking about Jesus and God and the bible, and the person next to us, a middle aged guy, changed seats.
Even in NYC, den of inequity it can be, I can not go more then maybe a year, probably less actually, without hearing God mentioned in public, be it on the subway, in a store, at Union Square, etc.
What is wrong with these people? Are they scared of being PC incorrect.
So what I decided to do, I don't go out of my way to do it, that would be in a wrong spirit, but if someone calls me to pray in a public place, I do. I don't care of people hear me. In fact, I hope they get something good out of it.
If I am with my two girls and a opportunity comes to speak about God, I do.
I sometimes tell people God bless you, or God willing, or along those lines.
Sorry Lady Blue, but I think you Christians here are retreating rather then advancing. I don't mind saying it annoys me. Sorry, I don't mean it in a insulting manner.
i often go down to Church street (how ironic) for a few hours a number of days a week, which you know of LB, to hand out tracts and talk about the bible and pray with people when the weather is nice. In fact I am planning to start again next week. I can't this week, as my kids are off from school.
But this place is in serious need of God and revival. The people here seem to be very content in their little of slice of "the good life". The schools are great here, their is never any traffic, the people, they don't have God, but they are very courteous and usually civil. The streets are clean. I have not seen any slums, although I have noticed lower income areas. The people seem to have good and grounded ethics. Thye are doing a admirable job with raising their kids, from what I have seen. They keep themselves in shape. I may have never heard anyone mention God, but conversely, I have heard people cursing in public only twice, maybe. In NYC you can't go a day without hearing a curse word in public.
But they don't have God.
So none of what they are doing has eternal implications. It is all for naught for Gods kingdom. No relationship with Him. There rewards are in the here and now, maybe the pleasure of seeing their kids make money, but what good is it woith out? How can there be true peace, contentment or "success"?
I really dislike the prevailing attitude, the under current here when it comes to all this regarding God. The environment is more important then God to many of these people.
So like Jonah, I am where I don't want to be. Unlike Him, I do want to see these people get saved. Gods got me here for a while longer. I hope I can be of some help to further the Kingdom.
In the meantime LB, if Vermonters are so direct and outspoken, why aren't Christian Vermonters doing so for the Kingdom? Maybe they are. But then why so many "unchurched" people here per capita? If the Christians are doing things, I don't see it.
BTW, don;t take offense, what I just typed here, I told my pastor directly a while back.
 
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We Christians should be louder and more prevalent than hurricane force winds, promoting the decency and good sense God has shared with the world. The more God's Word prevails, the less abortions and all other deeds of decadence will take place. I'm sick and tired of the godless calling the shots and enacting their policies at the detriment of others, especially our most innocent and vulnerable brethren. For now, that means voting people into office who are less likely to promote abortion on demand.
Amen!

"Cry aloud, spare not, lift up thy voice like a trumpet, and shew my people their transgression, and the house of Jacob their sins." Isa 58:1

 
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That's their go to reaction when you disagree with their ideology. ..call you a stupid liberal. ..Trumps entire campaign is based on such nonsense. ...it's all scare tactics. ...if Trump doesn't win, our economy will colspse, Mexicans will rob our houses and we'll be raped by gay Muslims
You know what's funny? People who SCREAM about social injustice and police brutality at every whim yet scold people who support Trump for telling it like it is. Irony much?
 

blue_ladybug

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Three years in this tiny frozen thundra state, and I am still getting acquainted to how you guys do some (to me strange) things.
Its like geographical purgatory here for me.
Worse yet, as recently as 4 months ago I was moving this summer, and what do I hear from God: "stay". So I am saying to my self, or maybe to God. Lord, I don't like it here 5 months out of the year. The state religion here is mother nature. Tree huggers all.
So I know thta this is the first or 2nd most unchurched state in the country, and Burlington is the second most unchurched city either in the country, or at least on the whole of the east coast.
I have been here three years, and not once, and I am not exaggerating, not once, habve I heard anyone mention God or Jesus in any public place I have been to.
Not in a store, or a restaurant, or a movie theater, and so on. I had lunch with a Christian brother about 5 months ago at a restaurant, and of course we were speaking about Jesus and God and the bible, and the person next to us, a middle aged guy, changed seats.
Even in NYC, den of inequity it can be, I can not go more then maybe a year, probably less actually, without hearing God mentioned in public, be it on the subway, in a store, at Union Square, etc.
What is wrong with these people? Are they scared of being PC incorrect.
So what I decided to do, I don't go out of my way to do it, that would be in a wrong spirit, but if someone calls me to pray in a public place, I do. I don't care of people hear me. In fact, I hope they get something good out of it.
If I am with my two girls and a opportunity comes to speak about God, I do.
I sometimes tell people God bless you, or God willing, or along those lines.
Sorry Lady Blue, but I think you Christians here are retreating rather then advancing. I don't mind saying it annoys me. Sorry, I don't mean it in a insulting manner.
i often go down to Church street (how ironic) for a few hours a number of days a week, which you know of LB, to hand out tracts and talk about the bible and pray with people when the weather is nice. In fact I am planning to start again next week. I can't this week, as my kids are off from school.
But this place is in serious need of God and revival. The people here seem to be very content in their little of slice of "the good life". The schools are great here, their is never any traffic, the people, they don't have God, but they are very courteous and usually civil. The streets are clean. I have not seen any slums, although I have noticed lower income areas. The people seem to have good and grounded ethics. Thye are doing a admirable job with raising their kids, from what I have seen. They keep themselves in shape. I may have never heard anyone mention God, but conversely, I have heard people cursing in public only twice, maybe. In NYC you can't go a day without hearing a curse word in public.
But they don't have God.
So none of what they are doing has eternal implications. It is all for naught for Gods kingdom. No relationship with Him. There rewards are in the here and now, maybe the pleasure of seeing their kids make money, but what good is it woith out? How can there be true peace, contentment or "success"?
I really dislike the prevailing attitude, the under current here when it comes to all this regarding God. The environment is more important then God to many of these people.
So like Jonah, I am where I don't want to be. Unlike Him, I do want to see these people get saved. Gods got me here for a while longer. I hope I can be of some help to further the Kingdom.
In the meantime LB, if Vermonters are so direct and outspoken, why aren't Christian Vermonters doing so for the Kingdom? Maybe they are. But then why so many "unchurched" people here per capita? If the Christians are doing things, I don't see it.
BTW, don;t take offense, what I just typed here, I told my pastor directly a while back.


That's because you live in Burlington, one of the most Godless cities in all of Vermont..lol..
 

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My back is killin' me this morning (too much time building a patio in about a third of our backyard), so I slept late and just woke up to find a full-blown knock-down, drag-out over the subject of abortion. Dang, Guys... so early in the morning?

What are you discussing, the moral legality of abortion, or a woman's right to choose?

Of course I have 2 cent's worth to add. I may have missed it, but I didn't see anyone saying abortion was fine. It can't be. To even argue that it is would be an awfully limited view to take. I, personally, think it should not be used as birth control. But, let's face it... It is.

So, to me, the question comes down to one of two things. Try to legislate denial of abortion (as if enacting laws ever stopped anything), or to permit abortions under legal, safely performed conditions. It only seems logical that the second scenario is preferable to the first. It just seems to be a matter of reasons and criteria.

We (the people) have already agreed to even schools handing out condoms. That is, to me, just denying a chance for life a little earlier than abortion. ALL WHO WANT TO JUMP ON THAT, notice that I said "a chance for life." Physically, "No" it is not the same, but the mindset is still the same..... "I want to screw around, and not have the responsibility of possibly having to face a pregnancy."

Anybody in disagreement with what I have written so far?
When I was a kid living in NYC toward the end of the civil rights unrest era. And their was a lot going because of NY being a big city with a sizable black population. I would often hear the whites in my family, and their friends say that the blacks did not practice birth control because they wanted the welfare of the extra children, and because they were not educated about it, and because they were having sex earlier, and because it would more more voting numbers for them in coming years.
As I got older, when I became a Christian, I realized they were following Gods will closer in that area closer then the people who were saying that.
 
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Don't feel bad, Utah. I get alot of flack on here for how I say things. I'd rather give raw hard truth, rather than sugarcoated fantasy of what people want to hear. They don't want to hear that their marriage may not reconcile, or that if they're gay, their going to hell if they don't repent. They'd rather hear "oh it's okay dear, it'll all work out" or "it's alright, you're gay but God forgives gays". No he does not, UNLESS they repent. I'm always getting called out on how I respond to people, but my outlook is, if ya don't want help, advice or opinions, then don't ask!! Because some will gloss it over, and others will tell it hard, raw and ugly. I'm a Vermonter, that's how I roll. ;)
I agree with you and Utah . I will say though that there are many ways in which to say one thing. Tact goes a long long way and it is an art to get ones point across in a graceful Christlike manner. Like I said, there are many ways to say the one thing we want to say. If we dont care how we are received, what good is what we said to the one whom we convey it to?

Its convenient to dismiss our approach to one characteristic of ourselves or another ie geography,upbringing, etc,.....that way we leave ourselves an escape goat instead of trying to change and surrendering to acting as Christ would have us act! The real truth of the matter is we are supposed to be NEW CREATIONS IN CHRIST. That is the reality of it right? Choosing ones words wisely has never gone out of style.

I think we all grow in grace if we surrender to it AND I also think that if we hesitated more frequently before responding, perhaps different perceptions would be formed . Dont claim Christ if you wont continue to work on controlling your tongue. Its pretty cut and dry! The tongue is the smallest weapon and the MOST damaging. We have the Lord to help us. That is HUGE!!

There will always be that opportunity to type what we want to say but it is forever there online(more importantly God is recording every idle word:( ) to see by all when we jump the gun and act like a heathen:)
I am preaching to the choir on this because I think we all (me included)need a friendly reminder to walk according to the spirit therefore demonstrating the fruit and to NOT walk in the flesh demonstrating the way of the world. $00.02

Heres some scriptures for us all to meditate on. Gods truth is the renewing of our minds. Praise God!

James 1:19
My beloved brothers, understand this: Everyone should be quick to listen, slow to speak, and slow to anger,

Proverbs 10:19
Sin is not ended by multiplying words, but the prudent hold their tongues.


Proverbs 17:27
The one who has knowledge uses words with restraint, and whoever has understanding is even-tempered.

Proverbs 29:20
Do you see someone who speaks in haste? There is more hope for a fool than for them.