ATTENTION ALL PROPHECY SEEKERS
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Brother ATH1,
How will we ever know for sure with out finding Jacob's body and doing DNA tests?
I think Jesus was referring mostly to their spiritual state of mind of murder, after all they were planing to kill Him.
Paul said in Rom 9:7-8, It is not after the flesh.....But the promise.
These People were after the flesh but not the spirit.
Thunderstorm, gotta unplug.
write more later
How will we ever know for sure with out finding Jacob's body and doing DNA tests?
I think Jesus was referring mostly to their spiritual state of mind of murder, after all they were planing to kill Him.
Paul said in Rom 9:7-8, It is not after the flesh.....But the promise.
These People were after the flesh but not the spirit.
Thunderstorm, gotta unplug.
write more later
Hi John,
Just as with everything in scripture, you need to provide scriptural proof. That being said, the ten-toed kingdom hasn't even begun yet, but is coming. For the ten toes are those ten kings in Rev.17 who will be appointed as kings in a short period of time along with the beast. They in turn will give their power and authority to the beast for his purposes. All other rulers and authorities will be subject to the ten kings who will report to the beast. These things do not currently exist and therefore, the ten-toed kingdom is still future, as well as the coming of that beast and his kingdom.
Just as with everything in scripture, you need to provide scriptural proof. That being said, the ten-toed kingdom hasn't even begun yet, but is coming. For the ten toes are those ten kings in Rev.17 who will be appointed as kings in a short period of time along with the beast. They in turn will give their power and authority to the beast for his purposes. All other rulers and authorities will be subject to the ten kings who will report to the beast. These things do not currently exist and therefore, the ten-toed kingdom is still future, as well as the coming of that beast and his kingdom.
The statue of a man,in Daniel 2,and the vision of 4 beasts,in Daniel 7,is the same vision,but Daniel 2 portrays them as metals,and Daniel 7 portrays them as beasts,with the exception of the two legs,and the 4th beast,which is portrayed as iron.
It is Babylon,Medo-Persia,Greece,the Roman Empire,and the ten toes,or ten horns,come from the Roman Empire,and the antichrist,or little horn,comes from the 10 horns,or toes.
The first 3 will never rise to dominion again,but the Roman Empire does not have her dominion taken away,until Jesus puts her down.
So the Roman Empire has the dominion until Jesus puts them down,which the beast kingdom in Revelation 13,is all Gentile nations together,trying to solve their problems,and have peace on earth,which God said all the people of the earth that do not love God,shall worship the beast,and He is going to gather all nations together to go against Jerusalem,and fight them,for the 7 years period is the time that God causes all people in the world,that does not love Him,to follow the beast kingdom,and when they take the mark,then God can put them down.
Nowhere in the history of mankind has all nations come together,which the reason is a lack of technology,and advanced travel,for they can only come together if they can communicate with each other.
The time of the ten toes is not over,and has not begun yet,for they come after the legs,which is the Roman Empire,and the 10 toes,or horns,is the world split in to 10 sections,with a leader in each section,which is the 7th king,who rule for a short time,which is three and one half years,and then they hand their power over to the 8th king,the antichrist,who will rule for three and one half years.
Also they mingle themselves with the seed of men,which never happened back then,for they never mingled themselves with all races,for they could not,without technology,but today they can,and will,when the 7 years start,and all Gentile governments are together,trying to achieve peace on earth.
The Roman Empire does not have their dominion taken until Jesus puts them down,and the 10 horns come from them,which is the whole world split in to 10 sections,with a leader in each section,which God said He is going to gather all nations together,and the antichrist comes from the 10 horns,who will rule over the whole world,those who do not love God,for God has to one day allow all people that do not love Him,to follow the beast kingdom,so it has to include the whole world.
The ten toes,or ten horns,represent the coming together of all Gentile governments,which they will mingle themselves with the seed of men,which is the world split in to 10 sections,with a leader in each section,who hand their power over to the antichrist,and that is how he gets control of the world.
1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
This is saying that antichrist shall come,which is in the future,the man of sin,but the antichrist spirit was already working at that time.
Zec 14:1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
Zec 14:2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
Zec 12:2 Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem.
Zec 12:3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.
Joe 3:1 For, behold, in those days, and in that time, when I shall bring again the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem,
Joe 3:2 I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land.
God is going to gather all nations together,which will be the time of the 7th,and 8th king,the 7th during the first half of the 7 years period,the world split in to 10 sections,with a leader in each section,and the 8th,the antichrist,which the 10 horns will hand their power over to him,who will rule during the last half of the 7 years period.
The ten toes is not over,for they have not begun yet,and in Daniel 9:26,it says,the people of the prince to come shall overthrow Jerusalem.It is not the prince to come that overthrows Jerusalem,but it is the people,that overthrows Jerusalem,who are of the prince to come,because it is the Roman Empire that overthrew Jerusalem,and the 10 horns come from them,that entails the whole wide world,and the prince to come is from the 10 horns,so the prince to come is from the Roman Empire,but he does not come until the future,and was not involved in the overthrow of Jerusalem,or anything near that time period.
The disciples asked Jesus when the kingdom would be restored to Israel,and Jesus said do not worry about it for the Father will do it in His time,but be concerned with the preaching of the Gospel,which will be restored during the millennial reign of Christ,which God said he will make a full end of all Gentile governments,but not a full end of Israel.
That is the only time that it will be restored to Israel,for the Gentiles are still ruling,and in control,and the ten toes is in the future,so Gentile dominion is still in effect.
Israel may be back on her land,but in her present condition,that is not the kingdom restored to her,and how much say so does she have in the world,for the Gentiles still control things,and have the say so,and concerning Jerusalem,they will probably split it with the Palestinians because of that 7 years covenant,but when God actually does restore the kingdom to her,Israel will be the only operating government,with no input from any Gentile government,for they will all topple,for God is going to make a full end of them,which has not happened yet.
It is Babylon,Medo-Persia,Greece,the Roman Empire,and the ten toes,or ten horns,come from the Roman Empire,and the antichrist,or little horn,comes from the 10 horns,or toes.
The first 3 will never rise to dominion again,but the Roman Empire does not have her dominion taken away,until Jesus puts her down.
So the Roman Empire has the dominion until Jesus puts them down,which the beast kingdom in Revelation 13,is all Gentile nations together,trying to solve their problems,and have peace on earth,which God said all the people of the earth that do not love God,shall worship the beast,and He is going to gather all nations together to go against Jerusalem,and fight them,for the 7 years period is the time that God causes all people in the world,that does not love Him,to follow the beast kingdom,and when they take the mark,then God can put them down.
Nowhere in the history of mankind has all nations come together,which the reason is a lack of technology,and advanced travel,for they can only come together if they can communicate with each other.
The time of the ten toes is not over,and has not begun yet,for they come after the legs,which is the Roman Empire,and the 10 toes,or horns,is the world split in to 10 sections,with a leader in each section,which is the 7th king,who rule for a short time,which is three and one half years,and then they hand their power over to the 8th king,the antichrist,who will rule for three and one half years.
Also they mingle themselves with the seed of men,which never happened back then,for they never mingled themselves with all races,for they could not,without technology,but today they can,and will,when the 7 years start,and all Gentile governments are together,trying to achieve peace on earth.
The Roman Empire does not have their dominion taken until Jesus puts them down,and the 10 horns come from them,which is the whole world split in to 10 sections,with a leader in each section,which God said He is going to gather all nations together,and the antichrist comes from the 10 horns,who will rule over the whole world,those who do not love God,for God has to one day allow all people that do not love Him,to follow the beast kingdom,so it has to include the whole world.
The ten toes,or ten horns,represent the coming together of all Gentile governments,which they will mingle themselves with the seed of men,which is the world split in to 10 sections,with a leader in each section,who hand their power over to the antichrist,and that is how he gets control of the world.
1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
This is saying that antichrist shall come,which is in the future,the man of sin,but the antichrist spirit was already working at that time.
Zec 14:1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
Zec 14:2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
Zec 12:2 Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem.
Zec 12:3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.
Joe 3:1 For, behold, in those days, and in that time, when I shall bring again the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem,
Joe 3:2 I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land.
God is going to gather all nations together,which will be the time of the 7th,and 8th king,the 7th during the first half of the 7 years period,the world split in to 10 sections,with a leader in each section,and the 8th,the antichrist,which the 10 horns will hand their power over to him,who will rule during the last half of the 7 years period.
The ten toes is not over,for they have not begun yet,and in Daniel 9:26,it says,the people of the prince to come shall overthrow Jerusalem.It is not the prince to come that overthrows Jerusalem,but it is the people,that overthrows Jerusalem,who are of the prince to come,because it is the Roman Empire that overthrew Jerusalem,and the 10 horns come from them,that entails the whole wide world,and the prince to come is from the 10 horns,so the prince to come is from the Roman Empire,but he does not come until the future,and was not involved in the overthrow of Jerusalem,or anything near that time period.
The disciples asked Jesus when the kingdom would be restored to Israel,and Jesus said do not worry about it for the Father will do it in His time,but be concerned with the preaching of the Gospel,which will be restored during the millennial reign of Christ,which God said he will make a full end of all Gentile governments,but not a full end of Israel.
That is the only time that it will be restored to Israel,for the Gentiles are still ruling,and in control,and the ten toes is in the future,so Gentile dominion is still in effect.
Israel may be back on her land,but in her present condition,that is not the kingdom restored to her,and how much say so does she have in the world,for the Gentiles still control things,and have the say so,and concerning Jerusalem,they will probably split it with the Palestinians because of that 7 years covenant,but when God actually does restore the kingdom to her,Israel will be the only operating government,with no input from any Gentile government,for they will all topple,for God is going to make a full end of them,which has not happened yet.
Hi Rachel,
The last kingdom could not have already taken place, because the Rock (Jesus) falls on the feet of the statue, smashing it to pieces never to be found again, which is symbolic for the end of human government. Then it states that the Rock fills the entire earth, which is symbolic for Christ's millennial kingdom. Therefore, this ten-toed kingdom is still future, as is Christ's millennial kingdom which immediately follows.
The last kingdom could not have already taken place, because the Rock (Jesus) falls on the feet of the statue, smashing it to pieces never to be found again, which is symbolic for the end of human government. Then it states that the Rock fills the entire earth, which is symbolic for Christ's millennial kingdom. Therefore, this ten-toed kingdom is still future, as is Christ's millennial kingdom which immediately follows.
R
the symbolism is not the end of all human government...but the end of the legitimacy of imperial authority...which rome had inherited from previous empires all the way back to nebuchadnezzar... the statue forfeited its legitimacy when it sentenced the sinless son of God to death...and the messiah demonstrated that his authority superseded the statue's death sentence when he rose from the dead...
the rock filling the entire earth symbolizes the kingdom of heaven...christ's reign in the hearts of believers...often referred to simply as 'the church'... this is announced in revelation 12:10-12 which takes place after the christ is taken up to heaven...
the rock filling the entire earth symbolizes the kingdom of heaven...christ's reign in the hearts of believers...often referred to simply as 'the church'... this is announced in revelation 12:10-12 which takes place after the christ is taken up to heaven...
Brother ATH1,
Sorry about that!
Rom 9:7-8, The people were after the flesh But not the spirit.
The gentiles (wild branches) are not of the flesh of Jacob, but are of the spirit. We are grafted in by the power of the Holy Spirit.
Isn't the Holy Spirit at work throughout the world today?
The flesh of the seed of Jacob is scattered throughout the entire world today, Just as it had mixed with some of the Gentile nations by the time Jesus came. Since the times of the gentiles began in 70 ad, the Israelites were scattered, and taken as slaves. Who can say who their children are.
Who can say if our grandfathers 1500 yrs ago might have been Israelites?
Perhaps it was the spirit of Jacob crying out inside us, when we obeyed the gospel.
If we can't say who we are, how can we possibly say who they are?
What is the spirit, that brought people back to Israel and Jerusalem?
What brought them back after WW2? They have fought numerous wars and won them all. why?
Why take the chance of you, and your family, being killed if you lose the war?
Why go to the desert, be surrounded by enemies, have rockets falling constantly, snipers, etc.?
Faith, Faith, Faith, in the living God, faith in the God of Mt. Sinai! That God is Jesus!
Who is to say that they haven't heard God's call just like we have.
They have faith, but have they accepted Jesus as the Messiah? No, or have they?
There are many ministries going in Israel right now.
Who knows what will happen in the next 2-3 years or longer.
If you are thinking that this "restored" Israel will be "just like in the old days", That ain't gonna happen.
How long will the "grafting in" take? They are blessed because of the promises made to their forefathers
We can see, by just them being there, that God's blessings are upon them.
No nation can exist without it.
If they are of the faith of Jacob,
If they are blessed by God,
Who are we to judge them after the flesh?
let's not judge by the flesh, but by the spirit.
If their spirit is to worship the living God,
Who can judge them but Jesus Himself?
We cannot see the wind, but we see the effects of it.
We cannot see their spirit, but we can see the effects of their faith, and the effects of God's blessings.
These things, that cannot be proven absolutely one way or another, are a matter of faith.
What do your "eyes of God's love" tell you about this Israel today? These people?
What do your "eyes of faith" in the promises of God tell you?
Don't judge by the flesh, judge by the spirit and the Bible.
What does your Spirit tell you.
Brother John
Sorry about that!
Rom 9:7-8, The people were after the flesh But not the spirit.
The gentiles (wild branches) are not of the flesh of Jacob, but are of the spirit. We are grafted in by the power of the Holy Spirit.
Isn't the Holy Spirit at work throughout the world today?
The flesh of the seed of Jacob is scattered throughout the entire world today, Just as it had mixed with some of the Gentile nations by the time Jesus came. Since the times of the gentiles began in 70 ad, the Israelites were scattered, and taken as slaves. Who can say who their children are.
Who can say if our grandfathers 1500 yrs ago might have been Israelites?
Perhaps it was the spirit of Jacob crying out inside us, when we obeyed the gospel.
If we can't say who we are, how can we possibly say who they are?
What is the spirit, that brought people back to Israel and Jerusalem?
What brought them back after WW2? They have fought numerous wars and won them all. why?
Why take the chance of you, and your family, being killed if you lose the war?
Why go to the desert, be surrounded by enemies, have rockets falling constantly, snipers, etc.?
Faith, Faith, Faith, in the living God, faith in the God of Mt. Sinai! That God is Jesus!
Who is to say that they haven't heard God's call just like we have.
They have faith, but have they accepted Jesus as the Messiah? No, or have they?
There are many ministries going in Israel right now.
Who knows what will happen in the next 2-3 years or longer.
If you are thinking that this "restored" Israel will be "just like in the old days", That ain't gonna happen.
How long will the "grafting in" take? They are blessed because of the promises made to their forefathers
We can see, by just them being there, that God's blessings are upon them.
No nation can exist without it.
If they are of the faith of Jacob,
If they are blessed by God,
Who are we to judge them after the flesh?
let's not judge by the flesh, but by the spirit.
If their spirit is to worship the living God,
Who can judge them but Jesus Himself?
We cannot see the wind, but we see the effects of it.
We cannot see their spirit, but we can see the effects of their faith, and the effects of God's blessings.
These things, that cannot be proven absolutely one way or another, are a matter of faith.
What do your "eyes of God's love" tell you about this Israel today? These people?
What do your "eyes of faith" in the promises of God tell you?
Don't judge by the flesh, judge by the spirit and the Bible.
What does your Spirit tell you.
Brother John
Brother Ahwatukee,
My mistake in the 70 weeks was pointed out to me again.
I finally "GOT IT".
You were trying to show me all the time, but I guess it had to be shown to me, that I was wrong, in a different way.
I still don't agree with everything (of course), but I'm studying to find the answers.
If it turns out I'm wrong, I'll admit it, I was wrong about some other things too, remember?
Hey, your making me a better person, keep it up! (I know it ain't easy)!
Love You Brother
My mistake in the 70 weeks was pointed out to me again.
I finally "GOT IT".
You were trying to show me all the time, but I guess it had to be shown to me, that I was wrong, in a different way.
I still don't agree with everything (of course), but I'm studying to find the answers.
If it turns out I'm wrong, I'll admit it, I was wrong about some other things too, remember?
Hey, your making me a better person, keep it up! (I know it ain't easy)!
Love You Brother
Israel would not dare to destroy the Dome of the Rock. It would trigger a world war. Some time ago a person was arrested and imprisoned for attempting to do just that. If Israel had been reckless enough to do it they would have had the opportunity in 1967. You appear to contradict yourself in this post. If the time of the Gentiles is over how come you think Iran and its allies will stand in Jerusalem?
That depends on what end of the tribulation you expect the rapture to happen I believe it will happen after the following
events.
Let no man deceive you by any means for that day shall not come except there come a falling away first and that man of sin be revealed the son of perdition, who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God or that is worshipped:so that he as God sitteth in the temple of shewing himself that he is God. remember ye not that when I was with you i told you these things. And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. For the mystery of iniquity doth already work only he who now letteth will let until he be taken out of the way. And then shall the wicked be revealed, whom God will consume with the spirit of his mouth and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming
II Thess 2: 3-8
So according to Paul the order of events are as follows -
A massive falling away from the faith
The appearance of the son of perdition (Antichrist)
The second coming and the destruction of the Antichrist
events.
Let no man deceive you by any means for that day shall not come except there come a falling away first and that man of sin be revealed the son of perdition, who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God or that is worshipped:so that he as God sitteth in the temple of shewing himself that he is God. remember ye not that when I was with you i told you these things. And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. For the mystery of iniquity doth already work only he who now letteth will let until he be taken out of the way. And then shall the wicked be revealed, whom God will consume with the spirit of his mouth and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming
II Thess 2: 3-8
So according to Paul the order of events are as follows -
A massive falling away from the faith
The appearance of the son of perdition (Antichrist)
The second coming and the destruction of the Antichrist
Hi Tanakh,
I personally don't believe that Paul is giving this as a chronological order. Below is what verse 6 thru 8 has to say:
"Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God. And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time. For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way. And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming."
In the scripture above, there is One who is holding back the full force of sin and that man of sin from being revealed until his proper time. When the One who is restraining is removed, then that man of lawlessness will be revealed. The Holy Spirit of God is the only Person with sufficient (supernatural) power to do this restraining. How does He do it? Through Christians, He works in society to hold back the full force of lawless living. At some point, though, He will be removed from the earth, allowing sin to have dominion over mankind. This can only happen when the Church—all true believers in Jesus Christ—is removed. This is because the Holy Spirit lives within each believer.Now, if the restrainer is the Holy Spirit, when he is removed, then the church must also be removed. So the order is, 1). The apostasy, 2). the removal of the Holy Spirit/Church and 3). The revealing of the man of lawlessness.
I personally don't believe that Paul is giving this as a chronological order. Below is what verse 6 thru 8 has to say:
"Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God. And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time. For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way. And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming."
In the scripture above, there is One who is holding back the full force of sin and that man of sin from being revealed until his proper time. When the One who is restraining is removed, then that man of lawlessness will be revealed. The Holy Spirit of God is the only Person with sufficient (supernatural) power to do this restraining. How does He do it? Through Christians, He works in society to hold back the full force of lawless living. At some point, though, He will be removed from the earth, allowing sin to have dominion over mankind. This can only happen when the Church—all true believers in Jesus Christ—is removed. This is because the Holy Spirit lives within each believer.Now, if the restrainer is the Holy Spirit, when he is removed, then the church must also be removed. So the order is, 1). The apostasy, 2). the removal of the Holy Spirit/Church and 3). The revealing of the man of lawlessness.
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mpaper345 hits it nail for nail, its not quite over yet, the stone cut without hands (which of course is Jesus) has not crushed all to powder yet then it will be over, But I do like your enthusiasm, The Spirit has touched you and you have moved on in Him, wonderful to see.
The temple mount, as mentioned by magenta is a bit of a corker, Titus used the spot to administer Roman authority, on purpose. The antichrist will use the spot to try and prove there is no God, he will rant and rave and claim victory over all the religions of the earth, especially the Jewish faith, and ours. Then we will see the return of Christ.
But there is a bit to go yet and still some things to happen. But each one of us has our own point when we will meet with God to answer for what we have done in His name should we not be alive to see His day.
The temple mount, as mentioned by magenta is a bit of a corker, Titus used the spot to administer Roman authority, on purpose. The antichrist will use the spot to try and prove there is no God, he will rant and rave and claim victory over all the religions of the earth, especially the Jewish faith, and ours. Then we will see the return of Christ.
But there is a bit to go yet and still some things to happen. But each one of us has our own point when we will meet with God to answer for what we have done in His name should we not be alive to see His day.