Fundamentalism.

[aussiebushman]

Here is the 1945 quote AGAIN:
Are you vision impaired or something because I gave quotes for the late 30's and 40's? Look up.

Classy.Oh so very classy.

Unless this crap was buried in your spam post, I would say that this is the very first time that that this quote has been seeen in this thread.

Nevertheless, considering that this was from 1945, and all was virtually lost for Germany at that stage, it is hardly unbelievable that a despot would call on everyone to save the mothercountry.

Which, of course, he did!!

You are acting very much like one of those fundamentalist you claim not to be. Ignoring factual truths and evidence presented before you, preferring to resort to personal attacks. Yes, thankyou for proving my point. That the OP doesn't know what he's talking about. And being fairly divisive at it too mind you.

Are you drowning?

Or just waving?

Frantically.

 

[Browncoat]

For the record, the protestant church was the national church of Nazi Germany. Many Nazis and non-Nazi Germans were protestants, so they had at least some belief in G-d.

Hitler both loved experimenting with religion and he was an almost-genius. He knew exactly how to rally the people and say what they wanted to hear, hence his references to a god. Which, btw, does not mean the Christian god or ANY specific god.

If the people believed in G-d, railing against G-d would have been a stupid move on Hitler's part, and he knew that. He was either an atheist or a pagan.

 

[Lauren]

To help our wikipedia-timid folk , (who mind you, have given no supporting evidence for their claims at all) when we read a paragraph, amazingly by the magic of this thing we call the internet, and whether put there by some mysterious higher power or perhaps an elve or faery, who knows how? at the end of paragraphs there are numbers in brackets like this see ? [4]. They are called references. If you find scrolling a mouse to the bottom of a webpage hard, below is a list of the references on the wiki page I cited. Read at your own leisure. If you still have a problem with wikipedia, then perhaps you would prefer something more your level like yahoo answers where you can create your own pretty avatar with sunglasses and a hat, and be offered advice and answers by 14 year old children who should be doing their homework on their own.

This is a riot snail. Thanks for the laugh.

 

[mpaper345]

What do you mean by fundamentalism.If you mean going strictly by the teaching of the New Testament without wavering then there is nothing wrong with that because Jesus' teachings are feed and clothe your enemies and love your enemies.Do not fight for the kingdom of God by physical force.Sell all you have and give to the poor.Those that are rich are to distribute their money.If you are physically abused do not fight back.If you are verbally abused do not verbally fight back.
If everybody followed Jesus' teaching there would not be fighting on earth even in the least sense and evrybody would be fed and clothed with shelter.Jesus' teaching still apply today do not change no matter how people act.

If you mean fundamentalism by someone that does not adhere to the teachings of the New Testament but are radical in they believe in violence or something wrong then it is not really Christianity but a false religion so you cannot blame Christianity because they are not Christianity.

If someone adheres to the truth of Christianity it is perfect in morals without wavering,nothing wrong with that.If someone does not adhere to the truth of Christianity doing things wrong then it is not really Christianity.

What do you mean by fundamentalism and Christianity has no faults but is perfect in morals that does not change no matter how people act and people that do wrong are not part of Christianity.

So why are you trying to blame Christianity it is blameless.God where do wars come from,God said wars come from man not God.

Matt

 

[MahogonySnail]

Classy.Oh so very classy.

Unless this crap was buried in your spam post, I would say that this is the very first time that that this quote has been seeen in this thread.

Nevertheless, considering that this was from 1945, and all was virtually lost for Germany at that stage, it is hardly unbelievable that a despot would call on everyone to save the mothercountry.

Which, of course, he did!!

Calling other people's posts crap and spam is exactly how a fundamentalist would behave. Not exactly respectful, or unifying. If you look through the previous posts, I also gave a quote from 1941, and the 1945 in a later post. This was BEFORE you started to claim that I was only posting quotes from the 20's. You obviously didn't read my posts. Which is very classy from a person who is posting against fundamentalism under the guise of promoting unity, and cannot hold a rational logical argument with supporting evidence to back up his claims, and like a fundamentalist, chooses to close their mind to other people's point of view. Are you sure you aren't a fundamentalist yourself? I tend to realise that people who accuse others of being fundamentalist, (and they do throw around the term as if it's a dirty word), use the term to refer to those who don't agree with their view. The definition of "fundamentalist" is rather fluid in that respect.

It's also a contradiction that you claim fundamentalists should be segregated. A policy of segregation is itself a very fundamentalistic attitude. Well, you don't fool me dude.

 

[aspen]

I think the term "fundamentalist" has been hijacked. For me, "fundamentalism" means remembering Jesus' words when He told what the two greatest commandments were. The term "fundamentalist" literally means the most basic. It doesn't mean violent or thick-headed or bigoted, those things got tacked on. Personally, I'd like to reclaim the term.

I like what Mahogany said; these folks are "zealots" not fundamentalists. Jesus was the fundamentalist when He told us to love God and love neighbour.

most basic or ....reductionistic. They reduce their faith to sound bites.

 

[Browncoat]

Not exactly respectful, or unifying.

After being very rude and patronizing to people who don't like wikipedia, I think this statement is a bit hypocritical, don't you?

 

[MahogonySnail]

I think it is rude to ignore people's efforts to find sources to back up their claims, just because it is wiki, when the poster is unprepared to provide much evidence at all. That's not debating, or discussing.

 

[aussiebushman]

Calling other people's posts crap and spam is exactly how a fundamentalist would behave. Not exactly respectful, or unifying. If you look through the previous posts, I also gave a quote from 1941, and the 1945 in a later post. This was BEFORE you started to claim that I was only posting quotes from the 20's. You obviously didn't read my posts. Which is very classy from a person who is posting against fundamentalism under the guise of promoting unity, and cannot hold a rational logical argument with supporting evidence to back up his claims, and like a fundamentalist, chooses to close their mind to other people's point of view. Are you sure you aren't a fundamentalist yourself? I tend to realise that people who accuse others of being fundamentalist, (and they do throw around the term as if it's a dirty word), use the term to refer to those who don't agree with their view. The definition of "fundamentalist" is rather fluid in that respect.

It's also a contradiction that you claim fundamentalists should be segregated. A policy of segregation is itself a very fundamentalistic attitude. Well, you don't fool me dude.

So now I am a fundie??

Oh really.

How on earth do you figure that?

This thread has condemned fundies from ALL faiths and non-faiths.

That, of course, was until your little de-railing exercise in regards to Hitler. Your posts were answered. What you fail to realise is the context of the times and the brilliant manipulation of Hitler over his people. But you never acknowledge context do you.
That may require conceding an inch of ground!
Maybe you should read mein Kampf to get the real story?

Naturally you needed some sort of diversion to take spotlight of your own, undoubted, fundamentalism.

You are the cheerleader for all things Fundamentally Christian here. You would argue that the sky was bright tangerine to back up your position if you could.

Frankly, it is "Christians" like you who drive people AWAY from the faith, instead of encouraging them through Christs love and compassion.

You condemn Catholics, we can't use Yoga...the list goes on and on. You tell everyone else how they should live their life. That somehow sounds eerily similar to the likes of Bin Laden and Mao.





I stand by what I say. Fundamentalism of any kind when it comes to faith/belief is highly dangerous and divisive. And the world would be a far better place without it.

 

[miktre]

This may be on the wrong board...apologies if this is the case.



Is Christian Fundamentalism any more worthy than Muslim or Buddhist or Sihk or Shinto or even Atheistic fundamentalism??

Do the small percentage of followers of faiths, who take it to the extreme, deserve our respect?

To me, regardless of the faith/non faith, Fundementalism only promotes hate, division and bigotry.

Christian Fundamentalism has given us killings at abortion clinics in the name of God, wars in the name of God, blatant discrimination in the name of God and open hostility to other religions.
It promotes division within the Church and belittles anyone who does not mirror their perceived image of worship and faith.

Islamic fundamentalism needs little description on this site. However, it is rather sad to see the broad brush of hatred/loathing placed against a faith that, in the very large majority, is a peaceful and respectful religion.

Buddhist and Sihk fundamentalist extremists have played a very large part in political and religious assasinations across Asia, and in the case of Sihks particularly, in India. Yet you wouldn't find a more peaceful people, in general, on the planet.



Atheist extremists??? His name was Adolph.



I see Christian fundamentalists, and there are quite a few on this site, as zealots who need to be ignored at best and rooted out and segregated at worse.

Thoughts?

You asked for my thoughts? Hmmmmmmmmm

Troll much?

 

[aussiebushman]

You asked for my thoughts? Hmmmmmmmmm

Troll much?

I bag all religious and non-religious fundies and I am trolling??

Maybe in your world.

Maybe you've taken it too personally?

 

[Narn]

Christian Fundamentalism of which I am one, is basically a Bible Centered faith. That is the basis of our Christian faith. I submit there is no better way to be a Christian than to be Bible centered.
Though I am very different from any other religious fundamentalist because I am Christian and most others will kill unless you agree with them. Christian Fundamentalists don't kill actually if you go around killing people in the name of Christianity you are totally missing the point of Christianity.

 

[Browncoat]

You asked for my thoughts? Hmmmmmmmmm

Troll much?

You throw that word around WAY too much. I suggest finding another one.

 

[phil36]

I think it is rude to ignore people's efforts to find sources to back up their claims, just because it is wiki, when the poster is unprepared to provide much evidence at all. That's not debating, or discussing.

Hi Mahogony,

Wiki is not the greatest source for sources to back up your argument. anyone, and that means anyone can write articles for wiki. I am not saying there is not good researched work on there. But as I say anyone can write an article and pretend to be an expert in their field.

Printed work is best, for if it is of any intellectual benefit (or any benefit) it will be readily assessable to the writers peers, and can be critiqued if need be.

As for wiki, give it a read yes, but make sure you do your own research to make sure it is correct.

Plus, if a scholar (an expert in a particular field) has written a piece, it can easily be edited by those who pretend to be scholars or just idiots trying to change the data/polemic.

Kind regards

Phil

 

[phil36]

Christian Fundamentalism of which I am one, is basically a Bible Centered faith. That is the basis of our Christian faith. I submit there is no better way to be a Christian than to be Bible centered.
Though I am very different from any other religious fundamentalist because I am Christian and most others will kill unless you agree with them. Christian Fundamentalists don't kill actually if you go around killing people in the name of Christianity you are totally missing the point of Christianity.

i agree Narn.

 

[Browncoat]

Christian Fundamentalism of which I am one, is basically a Bible Centered faith. That is the basis of our Christian faith. I submit there is no better way to be a Christian than to be Bible centered.
Though I am very different from any other religious fundamentalist because I am Christian and most others will kill unless you agree with them. Christian Fundamentalists don't kill actually if you go around killing people in the name of Christianity you are totally missing the point of Christianity.

Doesn't change the fact that they are Christian fundies. The people who blow up abortion clinics and murder doctors are your Christian fundamentalists that, according to you, don't actually kill people.

 

[phil36]

Doesn't change the fact that they are Christian fundies. The people who blow up abortion clinics and murder doctors are your Christian fundamentalists that, according to you, don't actually kill people.

You obviously read Narns post with your eyes firmly shut Browncoat!

Phil

 

[miktre]

I bag all religious and non-religious fundies and I am trolling??

Maybe in your world.

Maybe you've taken it too personally?

Nope, I'll point out the trolling part so you and anyone else easily see this is a troll thread.

Christian Fundamentalism has given us killings at abortion clinics in the name of God, wars in the name of God, blatant discrimination in the name of God and open hostility to other religions.
It promotes division within the Church and belittles anyone who does not mirror their perceived image of worship and faith.

I see Christian fundamentalists, and there are quite a few on this site, as zealots who need to be ignored at best and rooted out and segregated at worse.

Thoughts?

All your words. You tried to cleverly disguise it with the rest of the mumbo jumbo in your post. What you did is say that Christian fundamentalists are killers, discriminatory, hostile, and belittlers and ChristianChat.com is full of them. You are a troll and probably don't even realize it, probably a character defect your unaware of.
I would encourage all others to stop feeding this troll by not responding to this thread, immediately.

 

[aussiebushman]

Nope, I'll point out the trolling part so you and anyone else easily see this is a troll thread.

All your words. You tried to cleverly disguise it with the rest of the mumbo jumbo in your post. What you did is say that Christian fundamentalists are killers, discriminatory, hostile, and belittlers and ChristianChat.com is full of them. You are a troll and probably don't even realize it, probably a character defect your unaware of.
I would encourage all others to stop feeding this troll by not responding to this thread, immediately.

I also pointed out that Islamic fundamentalists were horrific as well. Did I really need to spell out how and why?
I touched on Sihks and Hindus.

I also mentioned Shinto fundies...does Japans role in WW2 ring any bells?

And true atheistic fundamentalism could be called anarchism.

Do I need to draw you a picture for that as well?

 

[Browncoat]

You obviously read Narns post with your eyes firmly shut Browncoat!

Phil

Why, because I disagreed?