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Brother prove-all, Post #117

Who is the sea beast, the earth beast, the Antichrist, as you see them?

I believe that would be Satan, the father of lies who has no DNA (form) not seen working to deceive those who he does deceive called the antichrists (plural) . Although Rome seems to have a patent in one scene proudly using a daysman ,Pope they are not the only denomination that insists that we need men to teach us as the wrong manner of spirit.

Not the most popular but a clear demonstration of the anti-christ, Satan (singular) working in the heart of one, Peter used used as one of the many antichrists. (plural)

By it he denied Christ, in unbelief (no faith) but because God was drawing Him he could not deny Himself that Peter he was saved and in in training .The promise that if he had begun the good work of salvation he will finish it became more familiar with Peter as Christ did increase and Peter decreased in regard to that finished work of Christ..

It is a lesson for all to try and rememeber the the things of men do offend the unseen things of God.


Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.
But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the "things that be of God", but "those that be of men."Mat 16:22

That I believe is the spirit of the antichrist ....working in the affairs of men, seducing them to believe the lie..
 
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I believe that would be Satan, the father of lies who has no DNA (form) not seen working to deceive those who he does deceive called the antichrists (plural) . Although Rome seems to have a patent in one scene proudly using a daysman ,Pope they are not the only denomination that insists that we need men to teach us as the wrong manner of spirit.

Not the most popular but a clear demonstration of the anti-christ, Satan (singular) working in the heart of one, Peter used used as one of the many antichrists. (plural)

By it he denied Christ, in unbelief (no faith) but because God was drawing Him he could not deny Himself that Peter he was saved and in in training .The promise that if he had begun the good work of salvation he will finish it became more familiar with Peter as Christ did increase and Peter decreased in regard to that finished work of Christ..

It is a lesson for all to try and rememeber the the things of men do offend the unseen things of God.


Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.
But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the "things that be of God", but "those that be of men."Mat 16:22

That I believe is the spirit of the antichrist ....working in the affairs of men, seducing them to believe the lie..
Well sort of.

The thing is,there is enough there to define the AC as a man or Satan embodying a man,such as Hitler,stalin,or Obama.

There is a vast difference between Peter and Judas. One had a major stumble,the other was a devil.
 

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Well sort of.

The thing is,there is enough there to define the AC as a man or Satan embodying a man,such as Hitler,stalin,or Obama.

There is a vast difference between Peter and Judas. One had a major stumble,the other was a devil.
Judas was a Son of Perdition.

John 17:12

While I was with them in the world, I kept them in Your name. Those whom You gave Me I have kept; and none of them is lost except the son of perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled.

But there will be another Son of Perdition.

2 Thessalonians 2:3

Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition...

You see there is only one who is already sentenced to eternal damnation/perdition and that is Satan.
So, the Lawless One, the Man of Sin to come is also the Son of Satan just as Judas was in the spiritual sense, not sure if also in the literal sense, could be, not ruling that out. Suffice to say, it would have been better had neither been born.
 

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The Antichrist must be Roman,

Legs of iron, Dan 2

4th beast, Dan 7

6th, 7th, 8th head, Rev 17
 

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The Antichrist must be Roman,

Legs of iron, Dan 2

4th beast, Dan 7

6th, 7th, 8th head, Rev 17
Nothing suggests that the Man of Sin (who you call AntiChrist) must be Roman. Quite the contrary. He must be Muslim. Rome was the 6th Beast. The Ottoman Empire was the 7th. It is the Ottoman Empire that received the mortal wound, yet lived meaning it appeared dead but comes back to life.

Dan 7 is the key passage, not Dan 2. Dan 7 tells us of 4 beasts. The first three: LION, BEAR, LEOPARD are the same as the Beast John sees in Rev 13. The Terrible Beast, Daniel's 4th is not mentioned by John. Thus the beast John sees is like Babylon, Medo-Persia and Greece which included Turkey. Therefore the Beast we need to concern ourselves with will be from this region which is to the North of Israel just as Daniel 11 and Eze 38 tells us. Rome is almost exactly due west of Israel and therefore is ruled out.

Muslims behead, Romans do not
Muslims throw dust on their heads to mourn, Italians do not
Muslims hate Israel, Italians have no major beef with Israel
Muslims have a False Prophet, Muhammad, Catholics do not

There is a group known as ISIS doing everything we are told the reborn head of the beast will do, but some want to ignore it because it doesn't fit lifelong beliefs.

The pink Elephant in the room is Islam.
 
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Muslims behead, Romans do not
Muslims throw dust on their heads to mourn, Italians do not
Muslims hate Israel, Italians have no major beef with Israel
Muslims have a False Prophet, Muhammad, Catholics do not
Both the Roman the newer and the Muslims of old the pink elephant were acting under the same god of this world as the false prophets coming from the oral traditions of men, both are under the influence of the god of this world who deceives the whole world.This just as all the kingdoms as the kingdoms he offered to Christ, if the Son of man would bow down and worship him.

I would say it is never in respect to that which is seen the antichrists (men plural) but in respect to him who has no form Satan the antichrist( singular).

As far as beheaded it is in respect those in whom Christs is not their head. Death in any manner points to that. They can be seen as those who were having their faith in that seen, the fathers, kings , during the first century reformation as well as the fifteenth century reformation as the paradigm for any reformation...Both reformations resisted all thing written in the law and the prophets(sola scriptura ) which they called heresy, and had them beheaded that did not follow after the fathers killed as martyrs which simply mean witnesses.

Saul before his conversion influenced by the father of lies was zealous toward the wrong god, as the god of this world who goal is that men walk by sight destroying the faith principle as he did in the garden. (Out of sight out of mind) same as both the Muslims and Roman.

I am verily a man which am a Jew, born in Tarsus, a city in Cilicia, yet brought up in this city at the feet of Gamaliel, and taught according to the perfect manner of the law of the fathers, and was zealous toward God, as ye all are this day.
And I persecuted this way unto the death, binding and delivering into prisons both men and women.Act 22:3

They could not prove sola scriptura (believing, as having the faith of Christ in respect to all things written in the law and the prophets ) believing it, as it is written alone ...was a simply heresy, as an opinion of men and not the perfect law of God.

Seeing they would be shooting their own-self in the foot. Showing they had the wrong kind of gospel they walked awy in unbelif(no faith coming from God unseen, our father in heaven.).

Neither can they prove the things whereof they now accuse me. But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:Act 24:13

There Paul followed the right manner of spirit as to how we can use the term fathers. Rather than having men on earth and calling them father as if they were the unseen Father in heaven . He worshiped God ,as the Father of the fathers, or King of king, Lord of lords ...turning thing right-side up.. Unlike the apostate Jew who worshiped them as the law of the fathers which were simply heresies of men.
 
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Sister Magenta,

I have thought about that very question for years.

I have decided that it would come down to a matter of who controls the "temple mount".

It is my opinion that Israel controls it.
They can open it or close it, Israel controls access.
When it comes right down to it, I think that they could tear down the Mosque if they wanted to.
So for me, I see it as "controlled" by Israel.

I know it's a "hot topic",
But the possibilities are narrowing down quickly.
It could be 2 yrs or 20 yrs, I don't know, but I do know that the pieces are falling into place.

If it is true, the stone is going to strike.

When the armies of Iran and it's allies stand in Jerusalem, all the arguments will end.

Brother John
You may find something of interest in this Wikipedia article.

The Temple Mount (Hebrew: הַר הַבַּיִת‎‎, Har HaBáyit, "Mount of the House [of God, i.e. the Temple]"), known to Muslims as the Haram esh-Sharif (Arabic: الحرم الشريف‎‎, al-Ḥaram al-Šarīf, "the Noble Sanctuary", or الحرم القدسي الشريف, al-Ḥaram al-Qudsī al-Šarīf, "the Noble Sanctuary of Jerusalem"), a hill located in the Old City of Jerusalem, is one of the most important religious sites in the world. It has been venerated as a holy site for thousands of years by Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. The present site is dominated by three monumental structures from the early Umayyad period: the al-Aqsa Mosque, the Dome of the Rock and the Dome of the Chain, as well as four minarets. Herodian walls and gates with additions dating back to the late Byzantine and early Islamic periods cut through the flanks of the Mount. Currently it can be reached through eleven gates, ten reserved for Muslims and one for non-Muslims, with guard posts of Israeli police in the vicinity of each.

The Temple Mount is the holiest site in Judaism, which regards it as the place where God's divine presence is manifested more than in any other place. According to the rabbinic sages whose debates produced the Talmud, it was from here the world expanded into its present form and where God gathered the dust used to create the first human, Adam.[2]

Since at least the first century CE, the site has been associated in Judaism with Mount Moriah (Hebrew: הַר הַמוריה‎‎, Har HaMōriyā); Mount Moriah is the name given by the Hebrew Bible to the location of Abraham's binding of Isaac,[2] this identification being perpetuated by Jewish and Christian tradition.

Several passages in the Hebrew Bible indicate that during the time when they were written, the Temple Mount was identified as Mount Zion.[3] The Mount Zion mentioned in the later parts of the Book of Isaiah (Isaiah 60:14), in the Book of Psalms, and the First Book of Maccabees (c. 2nd century BCE) seems to refer to the top of the hill, generally known as the Temple Mount.[3] According to the Book of Samuel, Mount Zion was the site of the Jebusite fortress called the "stronghold of Zion", but once the First Temple was erected, according to the Bible, at the top of the Eastern Hill ("Temple Mount"), the name "Mount Zion" migrated there too.[3] The name later migrated for a last time, this time to Jerusalem's Western Hill.[3]

According to the Bible, both Jewish Temples stood at the Temple Mount, though there is no proof for the First Temple.[4] However, the identification of Solomon's Temple with the area of the Temple Mount is widespread. According to the Bible the site should function as the center of all national life—a governmental, judicial and religious center.[5] During the Second Temple period it functioned also as an economic center. According to Jewish tradition and scripture,[6] the First Temple was built by King Solomon the son of King David in 957 BCE and destroyed by the Babylonians in 586 BCE. The second was constructed under the auspices of Zerubbabel in 516 BCE and destroyed by the Roman Empire in 70 CE. In the 2nd century, the site was used for a temple to Jupiter Capitolinus. It was redeveloped following the Arab conquest.[7] Jewish tradition maintains it is here a Third and final Temple will also be built. The location is the holiest site in Judaism and is the place Jews turn towards during prayer. Due to its extreme sanctity, many Jews will not walk on the Mount itself, to avoid unintentionally entering the area where the Holy of Holies stood, since according to Rabbinical law, some aspect of the divine presence is still present at the site.[8] It was from the Holy of Holies that the High Priest communicated directly with God.

Among Sunni Muslims, the Mount is widely considered the third holiest site in Islam. Revered as the Noble Sanctuary, the location of Muhammad's journey to Jerusalem and ascent to heaven, the site is also associated with Jewish biblical prophets who are also venerated in Islam.[9] After the Muslim conquest of Jerusalem in 637 CE, Umayyad Caliphs commissioned the construction of the al-Aqsa Mosque and Dome of the Rock on the site.[10] The Dome was completed in 692 CE, making it one of the oldest extant Islamic structures in the world, after the Kaabah. The Al Aqsa Mosque rests on the far southern side of the Mount, facing Mecca. The Dome of the Rock currently sits in the middle, occupying or close to the area where the Holy Temple previously stood.[11]

In light of the dual claims of both Judaism and Islam, it is one of the most contested religious sites in the world. Since the Crusades, the Muslim community of Jerusalem has managed the site as a Waqf, without interruption.[12] As the site is part of the Old City, controlled by Israel since 1967, both Israel and the Palestinian Authority claim sovereignty over it, and it remains a major focal point of the Arab–Israeli conflict.[13] In an attempt to keep the status quo, the Israeli government enforces a controversial ban on prayer by non-Muslims.[14][15][16]

Shalom
 

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The pink Elephant in the room is Islam.

The first character of Revelation 17 is the “whore” or “woman,”
which in biblical language represents a religion, or church
(e.g.Ephesians 5; 2 -Corinthians 11:2).

The second is the beast that has seven heads and 10 horns.

The third is the “saints” or “martyrs,”
a group of people the “woman” lives to persecute and destroy.

God prophesies that this woman, or church, would have an international
presence, and would come to possess incredible wealth:

“And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour,
and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls

She is conspicuously wealthy, overflowing with material splendor.
She is a famous religion known and revered by people across the planet
(see also verses 2 and 15 and Revelation 18:3).

The Roman Catholic Church is the most recognizable
and illustrious religion on Earth. Worldwide, it has more than
1.2 billion followers, roughly 400,000 priests and some 221,000
parishes. Catholicism has a presence on every continent and in every nation.

More than 5 million tourists flock to Vatican City annually.
They visit to admire Michelangelo’s legendary frescoes, to
attend mass in the Sistine Chapel, and in the hope of catching
a glimpse of the most venerated figure on the planet: the pope.

The Catholic religion is the most famous Christian religion
on Earth, yet it is shrouded in mystery and bloodshed

The Catholic Church teaches it is the one true church founded by Jesus Christ
The Church maintains that the doctrine on faith and morals that it declares as
definitive is infallible. the Catholic Church is the largest non-government provider
of education and medical services in the world. Catholic belief holds that the Church
"is the continuing presence of Jesus on earth" and that it alone possesses the
full means of salvation

The church, in fact, has built Western civilization”
(How the Catholic Church Built Western Civilization)
a book by Tom Woods explores the reasons why we are all,
as a civilization, deeply indebted to the Catholic Church.

It is inaccurate to imply that the Catholic Church is solely
responsible for building Western civilization. The influence
of English-speaking civilization, which had a distinct antipopish,
anti-Catholic identity, is responsible as much as if not
more than the Catholic Church. But Woods’s fundamental
point is correct. Catholic leadership and teaching has had
a decisive and far-reaching influence on Western religion,
politics, culture, science and education, often in ways most
people fail to recognize.

The Vatican has presided over the rise and fall of kings
and governments, the emergence of political and ideological
movements, and the discovery and colonization of new lands
and peoples. The Catholic religion has influenced every facet
of Western society, from art and music to science to the
measurement of time to the annual holidays we celebrate.

Its influence over Europe is even more extensive: It has shaped
Europe’s justice systems, its educational institutions, many of
its most prominent cities, its economies and even agriculture.

When it comes to religion, every Christian denomination—
except one—can directly or indirectly trace its lineage back to
Roman Catholicism.

The Roman Catholic Church is the most defining and influential
institution in Europe’s history—yet somehow it remains a total mystery!


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“The [European] Community is living largely by the heritage of
the Holy Roman Empire,though the great majority of the people
who live by it don’t know by what heritage they live.”

—Otto von Habsburg--a descendant of that famous line of European royalty

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Among historians, it is generally accepted that the Holy
Roman Empire was the cyclical reincarnation of the ancient
Roman Empire, presided over in each instance by the Catholic
Church. Oxford Dictionary defines it as the “empire set up in
Western Europe following the coronation of Charlemagne
as emperor in the year 800. It was created by the medieval
papacy in an attempt to unite Christendom under one rule.”

The founders of the EU, and many European leaders today,
readily acknowledge that the supreme goal of the European
Union is to live “by the heritage of the Holy Roman Empire.”
European politicians regularly declare their admiration for
Charlemagne and publicly admit that they seek to create a
united Europe that “embodies the tradition of Charlemagne.”

What is the “heritage of the Holy Roman Empire”? Who
was Charlemagne? What is the “tradition of Charlemagne”?
 

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-in the 13th century, a man named Jordan of Osnabrueck wrote a book
about how the Roman Empire was transferred into the hand of the Germans.

when Charlemagne was crowned,the pope called him emperor of the fourth world empire.
Approximately 40 million people were butchered during the so-called Holy Inquisition
 

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You may find something of interest in this Wikipedia article.

According to the Bible, both Jewish Temples stood at the Temple Mount,
though there is [no proof] for the First Temple.
they might soon need to update that wikipedia article.
here is a few article links that might be of interest to the subject



Those who relegate King David and his son Solomon to the realm of petty tribal chieftains, or even myth, are having a lot of explaining to do lately. Archaeology is yielding up proof after proof that not only is the Bible an extremely accurate historical document, but that the nation of Israel’s tie to the land is unassailable.

In the most recent stunning discovery, archaeologists believe they have uncovered one of the lost mines of King Solomon. It is not a little mine either—it is a massive structure, and, moreover, the find fits perfectly with what the Bible says about events surrounding the time of Israel’s richest king.


read more from-King Solomon’s Mines and the Empire of King David
https://www.thetrumpet.com/article/...g-solomons-mines-and-the-empire-of-king-david

Solomon's real mine? 3,000 years on, archaeologists uncover fabled site in desert | Daily Mail Online

Ruins bolster legend of Solomon - latimes
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In 2007, Nehemiah’s wall was found. This discovery likewise set off a firestorm of activity among Bible skeptics who had continually pointed to the lack of archaeological evidence supporting the book of Nehemiah’s claim that the returning exiled Jews rebuilt Jerusalem’s city wall and restored the gates of the temple.

¦Nehemiah’s Wall Found
https://www.thetrumpet.com/article/4497.20.100.0/middle-east/israel/nehemiahs-wall-found
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November 3, 2015 Fortress of Antiochus Epiphanes Uncovered in Jerusalem
https://www.thetrumpet.com/article/...of-antiochus-epiphanes-uncovered-in-jerusalem

June 17, 2015 10th-Century Biblical Name Discovered in Israel
https://www.thetrumpet.com/article/...th-century-biblical-name-discovered-in-israel

September 9, 2013 : Ancient Gold Treasure Discovered in Jerusalem
https://www.thetrumpet.com/article/...ancient-gold-treasure-discovered-in-jerusalem

3,000 year old beehives preserved
Ancient Beehives Yield 3,000-Year-Old Bees | WIRED

the tomb of Herod the Great,
Herod the Great’s Tomb Discovered | Jewish Virtual Library

Jezebel’s royal seal.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/10/071026210336.htm


¦King David’s Palace Found in East Jerusalem?
https://www.thetrumpet.com/article/2035.2.0.0/religion/king-davids-palace-found-in-east-jerusalem

¦Did King David Conquer Jerusalem Using This Tunnel?
https://www.thetrumpet.com/article/...ing-david-conquer-jerusalem-using-this-tunnel


¦More Archaeological Finds in Israel
https://www.thetrumpet.com/article/5637.1.0.0/middle-east/israel/more-archaeological-finds-in-israel

¦Defending Eilat Mazar—and the Biblical Record
https://www.thetrumpet.com/article/...defending-eilat-mazar-and-the-biblical-record

¦Division in the City of David
https://www.thetrumpet.com/article/4714.1.0.0/middle-east/israel/division-in-the-city-of-david

September 9, 2013 An Exclusive Interview With Dr. Eilat Mazar
https://www.thetrumpet.com/article/...el/an-exclusive-interview-with-dr-eilat-mazar

Like a Rock
https://www.thetrumpet.com/article/10943.19.0.0/middle-east/israel/like-a-rock
 

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernest_L._Martin

he stated that the ancient temples were located on the Ophel mound—not what is known
as the Temple Mount today. The Ophel mound is just south of the “Temple Mount”

the Temple Mount today was actually a Roman building located at the edge,
but outside, of ancient Jerusalem?

Dr. Martin explained that “the worshipers of the Wailing
Wall are directing their present devotions and venerations to
a Roman edifice that their ancestors in Herod’s time held in
utter contempt.”

Ernest Martin drew his conclusions from the accounts of
the destruction of Jerusalem from several eyewitnesses.
He quoted Josephus, a historian-priest who recorded the
destruction of the temple and the city in great detail.

Dr. Martin also relied on the accounts of Titus, the Roman general who
oversaw the final ruin of Jerusalem, as well as Eleazar, a historian
and leader of the last remnant of the Jewish resistance at Masada.

These eyewitnesses give a different picture of where
the temple was located compared to what people believe today.
Professor [Benjamin] Mazar
[grandfather of Dr. Eilat Mazar]


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus
 

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I pray all who believe Jesus Christ are aware that the spirit of prophecy is the witness of Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.......Revelation.
 

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When Jesus returns to rule the world from David's throne in Jerusalm as the King of the Jews for 1000 years.
NEVER until that day.
Christ is already ruling this throne. The earthly throne that God took away doesn't belong to man. It is called the throne of David to linage. Read Acts 2, Peter says Christ was raise for this very reason, to sit on the throne.

Read 1 Corinthians 15, it mentions Christ's 2 nd coming and tell me what Christ does when He comes back.
 

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You may find something of interest in this Wikipedia article.

The Temple Mount (Hebrew: הַר הַבַּיִת‎‎, Har HaBáyit, "Mount of the House [of God, i.e. the Temple]"), known to Muslims as the Haram esh-Sharif (Arabic: الحرم الشريف‎‎, al-Ḥaram al-Šarīf, "the Noble Sanctuary", or الحرم القدسي الشريف, al-Ḥaram al-Qudsī al-Šarīf, "the Noble Sanctuary of Jerusalem"), a hill located in the Old City of Jerusalem, is one of the most important religious sites in the world. It has been venerated as a holy site for thousands of years by Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. The present site is dominated by three monumental structures from the early Umayyad period: the al-Aqsa Mosque, the Dome of the Rock and the Dome of the Chain, as well as four minarets. Herodian walls and gates with additions dating back to the late Byzantine and early Islamic periods cut through the flanks of the Mount. Currently it can be reached through eleven gates, ten reserved for Muslims and one for non-Muslims, with guard posts of Israeli police in the vicinity of each.

The Temple Mount is the holiest site in Judaism, which regards it as the place where God's divine presence is manifested more than in any other place. According to the rabbinic sages whose debates produced the Talmud, it was from here the world expanded into its present form and where God gathered the dust used to create the first human, Adam.[2]

Since at least the first century CE, the site has been associated in Judaism with Mount Moriah (Hebrew: הַר הַמוריה‎‎, Har HaMōriyā); Mount Moriah is the name given by the Hebrew Bible to the location of Abraham's binding of Isaac,[2] this identification being perpetuated by Jewish and Christian tradition.

Several passages in the Hebrew Bible indicate that during the time when they were written, the Temple Mount was identified as Mount Zion.[3] The Mount Zion mentioned in the later parts of the Book of Isaiah (Isaiah 60:14), in the Book of Psalms, and the First Book of Maccabees (c. 2nd century BCE) seems to refer to the top of the hill, generally known as the Temple Mount.[3] According to the Book of Samuel, Mount Zion was the site of the Jebusite fortress called the "stronghold of Zion", but once the First Temple was erected, according to the Bible, at the top of the Eastern Hill ("Temple Mount"), the name "Mount Zion" migrated there too.[3] The name later migrated for a last time, this time to Jerusalem's Western Hill.[3]

According to the Bible, both Jewish Temples stood at the Temple Mount, though there is no proof for the First Temple.[4] However, the identification of Solomon's Temple with the area of the Temple Mount is widespread. According to the Bible the site should function as the center of all national life—a governmental, judicial and religious center.[5] During the Second Temple period it functioned also as an economic center. According to Jewish tradition and scripture,[6] the First Temple was built by King Solomon the son of King David in 957 BCE and destroyed by the Babylonians in 586 BCE. The second was constructed under the auspices of Zerubbabel in 516 BCE and destroyed by the Roman Empire in 70 CE. In the 2nd century, the site was used for a temple to Jupiter Capitolinus. It was redeveloped following the Arab conquest.[7] Jewish tradition maintains it is here a Third and final Temple will also be built. The location is the holiest site in Judaism and is the place Jews turn towards during prayer. Due to its extreme sanctity, many Jews will not walk on the Mount itself, to avoid unintentionally entering the area where the Holy of Holies stood, since according to Rabbinical law, some aspect of the divine presence is still present at the site.[8] It was from the Holy of Holies that the High Priest communicated directly with God.

Among Sunni Muslims, the Mount is widely considered the third holiest site in Islam. Revered as the Noble Sanctuary, the location of Muhammad's journey to Jerusalem and ascent to heaven, the site is also associated with Jewish biblical prophets who are also venerated in Islam.[9] After the Muslim conquest of Jerusalem in 637 CE, Umayyad Caliphs commissioned the construction of the al-Aqsa Mosque and Dome of the Rock on the site.[10] The Dome was completed in 692 CE, making it one of the oldest extant Islamic structures in the world, after the Kaabah. The Al Aqsa Mosque rests on the far southern side of the Mount, facing Mecca. The Dome of the Rock currently sits in the middle, occupying or close to the area where the Holy Temple previously stood.[11]

In light of the dual claims of both Judaism and Islam, it is one of the most contested religious sites in the world. Since the Crusades, the Muslim community of Jerusalem has managed the site as a Waqf, without interruption.[12] As the site is part of the Old City, controlled by Israel since 1967, both Israel and the Palestinian Authority claim sovereignty over it, and it remains a major focal point of the Arab–Israeli conflict.[13] In an attempt to keep the status quo, the Israeli government enforces a controversial ban on prayer by non-Muslims.[14][15][16]

Shalom


Brothers and Sisters,

It's time to get everyone into the ark.

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Soon everyone on this planet will have heard the gospel.

They will make their choice.

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Will Israel accept Jesus as the Messiah?

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The end is here.

Will the free world abandon Israel? And why? (money, power)

The Bishop of Rome will soon speak the lie that deceives the Kings of the East, Iran and it's allies. (6 mo.? 20 yrs?)

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The ark of Jesus is our only hope.

These are the last few days to bear fruit before the harvest.
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"Sorrow and love flow mingled down."
 

tanakh

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I think its time we stopped being obsessed with the end times and started to look at our personal walk with God. It may not seem so exiting but will come in useful if we are taken before Christ returns.
 

JaumeJ

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Surely He is returning soon, come Lord Jesus, amen.
 

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I think its time we stopped being obsessed with the end times and started to look at our personal walk with God. It may not seem so exiting but will come in useful if we are taken before Christ returns.
I can't speak for everyone so I will just speak about my self , maybe IF I lived my life as I believe the Lord is Coming Soon. I would be doing more for HIM and ensuring I was living right. but that's just me I know nobody else here has the issues I do
 

JaumeJ

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These past days I have been thinking on a goodly theme. It kind of puts an end to any law/grace debate for me. It occurred to me that I in no manner wish to disobey my King. The King of our Kingdom. It is certain you and all who believe Him must feel this same sentiment, thus we know we do not wish to disobey Him but if we do, we are in grace because of our faith in our King Whom we wish to please always. As for not doing enough, even waiting for the Lord is works.......praying and lots of other tasks perforemed in teh love of Jesus are works accumulating wealth of treasure in the Kingdom............surely He is returning soon, amen.