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what do you think about herbal remedies, or all natural products for health.

speaking in the mindset of ... Did God design us to be healed naturally?
 
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SteelToedKodiak

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what do you think about herbal remedies, or all natural products for health.

speaking in the mindset of ... Did God design us to be healed naturally?
Apple Cider Vinegar cures just about everything.
 

crossnote

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Cod liver oil will kill the remedies :p
 

Jruiz

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The main purpose of our digestive system is to absorb nutrients. We get these nutrients by eating whole foods (plant base diets). Fruits,vegetables,nuts and seeds...when we eat other thing contrary to what we're supposed to be eating (processed foods)we get sick..There is natural medicine in plants but prevention is the key. NOT all sickness is food related,but most of it is.

2 kings 20:7 Then Isaiah said, "Prepare a poultice of figs." They did so and applied it to the boil, and he recovered.
 

crossnote

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My motto...

For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
(1Ti 4:4-5)
 

Jruiz

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My motto...

For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
(1Ti 4:4-5)
Well i guess I'll go out and eat some poisonous frogs then...
 

mar09

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what do you think about herbal remedies, or all natural products for health.

speaking in the mindset of ... Did God design us to be healed naturally?
Hi mike,
Just to mention there are sev. threads in the natural health forum u may wish to look into. You may not agree with some, find some really useful, but theyre just there for u to learn from. Fill in what u have found helpful for urself.
 

crossnote

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My motto...

For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
(1Ti 4:4-5)
Well i guess I'll go out and eat some poisonous frogs then...
A non sequiter.
Do you think 1Tim 4:4-5 is poor advice?
 

Yonah

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There are many conventional medications that are both safe and effective, and used properly the pose no danger, herbal remedies and essential oils are the most effective and side effect free way of treating certain conditions, from pain to gout and even cancer, (I never recommend using these without consulting a doctor) these substances never have side effects and the are effective a targeting specific conditions when properly understood and administered, however the 4th cause of poisoning in the U.S. is with herbal medications, this is because many underestimate their potency and over use them, if you do choose to use them please educate yourself and most importantly if your currently taking conventional medications CONSULT YOUR DOCTOR FIRST as some interactions can be deadly.
 
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WarriorForChrist

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I'm going all natural to heal my cancer and prevent it from coming back. There is plenty of info out there on natural healing.
 
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TonyJay

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There are many conventional medications that are both safe and effective, and used properly the pose no danger, herbal remedies and essential oils are the most effective and side effect free way of treating certain conditions, from pain to gout and even cancer, (I never recommend using these without consulting a doctor) these substances never have side effects and the are effective a targeting specific conditions when properly understood and administered, however the 4th cause of poisoning in the U.S. is with herbal medications, this is because many underestimate their potency and over use them, if you do choose to use them please educate yourself and most importantly if your currently taking conventional medications CONSULT YOUR DOCTOR FIRST as some interactions can be deadly.
While I appreciate the sentiments expressed in this post there are some inaccuracies here.

If any substance has a pharmacologic effect i.e. potentially actually works on the body in some way then it is also potentially dangerous.
Jonah is correct in saying that a large percentage of accidental poisonings involve herbal remedies.
However there is no completely safe, and side effect free, agent that actually works.
If a claim of 100% safety is true then that agent is a placebo - in other words it has no effect.

One of the biggest myths that circulate around herbal remedies is that they cannot harm you - that is complete nonsense.
Many people also have similar views about more conventional medications that are available "over-the-counter".
Paracetamol, for example, causes more medication-related deaths than any other medication known.
(I am not referring to deliberate overdose here either.)
Of course, the reason is partly due to the fact that it is also the most commonly taken medication on the planet.
Paracetamol can be very safe when it is appropriately selected, but it can be deadly when taken in the wrong situations.

The key point here is that no agent, howsoever marketed, that actually works (has a pharmaceutical effect) can be said to be unequivocally and unconditionally safe.

Jonah is absolutely correct in advising that individuals consult with their doctors before taking ANY pharmaceutical agent, whether marketed as herbal or traditional, or not.
This is even more important if one is already taking medication for other purposes.

Disclaimer: I am a physician. I have no pecuniary interest in any pharmaceutical or herbal remedy company. I will not answer any questions related to specific agents. The content above should be interpreted as general advice only.
 

Jruiz

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A non sequiter.
Do you think 1Tim 4:4-5 is poor advice?
Well it's not very logic to think you can eat whatever you want and be healthy as long as you pray over it...
 
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They say fasting is bad for you too but fasting and prayer go hand in hand
 

posthuman

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Well it's not very logic to think you can eat whatever you want and be healthy as long as you pray over it...
no, it's not. and i don't think that's what that verse is saying. some things aren't to be eaten - but they are god for other things. i don't believe any plant is "bad" -- they are all things God created, that can be misused.

could you really be thankful for a meal of poisonous frogs? but you might be thankful for being able to use their poison for an arrow. or for what something from them could be used for in a medicine once it had been refined or processed and added with other things.

i don't see much difference with 'herbal remedies' and modern medicine, ideologically. most of the things people take in pill form come from plants to begin with, or from other things in nature. some are synthetic copies of things found in nature. mankind doesn't always get that right, but without the things found in nature, we never would have had the starting point for modern medicines. in my mind it's not much different than eating raw flour and eggs and milk etc, versus baking it all into a cake.

sometimes the recipe could be improved -- sometimes not. i know some people who reject all 'pills' because they think it is akin to 'magic' and that all they need for each and every illness can be found by boiling the right leaves into tea. but it's hard to argue with the facts -- which are that lifespan and every other measure of general health improved dramatically with the advent of modern medicines.

that's not an excuse for mistakes that pharmaceuticals make, or what i don't doubt is intentional dependencies created by the industry. that's what i hope is having my eyes opened to the truth -- and the truth is that God made mankind a clever creature, able to draw out many good things from the things He created: and those good things have been in His creation for us ever since they were created, and we're not even close to uncovering all the wonders of it.
 

posthuman

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They say fasting is bad for you too but fasting and prayer go hand in hand
i've heard fasting is actually physically good for you -- if done properly, not for very long periods, and staying hydrated.. ?

could probably go find some resources for that, but it's kinda not the topic. i've heard it more than once though, and not just from religious sources, but totally secular ones. i remember seeing a video by a guy - totally not a believer or religious guy - who tried it and regularly went to a doctor to monitor what was going on with his body, and that he got very good results.

anyway that's getting into left field -- what you said is a lot more important: it goes hand in hand with prayer. a healthy body and a sick spirit are no good at all, but a healthy relationship with God is way more important even if your body is sick to death.

 

posthuman

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Hi mike,
Just to mention there are sev. threads in the natural health forum u may wish to look into. You may not agree with some, find some really useful, but theyre just there for u to learn from. Fill in what u have found helpful for urself.

thanks -- i was going to mention same thing.

maybe you didn't notice the natural health forum section, mike? there is a lot of info & opinion shared there to read and think about, that all seems very relevant to this topic.
 
Feb 11, 2016
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i've heard fasting is actually physically good for you -- if done properly, not for very long periods, and staying hydrated.. ?

could probably go find some resources for that, but it's kinda not the topic. i've heard it more than once though, and not just from religious sources, but totally secular ones. i remember seeing a video by a guy - totally not a believer or religious guy - who tried it and regularly went to a doctor to monitor what was going on with his body, and that he got very good results.

anyway that's getting into left field -- what you said is a lot more important: it goes hand in hand with prayer. a healthy body and a sick spirit are no good at all, but a healthy relationship with God is way more important even if your body is sick to death.

All depends who ya ask which was sorta my point


I just googled "fasting is unhealthy for you" and wallah... I was good to post that "they say its bad for ya too"

Not that I listen to them or give them much merit.
 

crossnote

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Well it's not very logic to think you can eat whatever you want and be healthy as long as you pray over it...
Where did I state that, or is that your preconceived assumption of what I meant?