Herbal Remedies, ...

[Angela53510]

Purely out of curiosity, Angela.... if pot WAS legalized, and it would help your infirmities, you still wouldn't use it? In proper dosages, of course..?

No agenda here, just wondering.

If my doctor suggested it, I would pray about it. I am certainly using a lot of pain killers and prednisone right now, so if it was legal and maybe recommended, I would consider it. Well, technically, medical marijuana is legal, so I guess that might be your answer. (i.e. I am not using it right now!)

I think I would also talk to the RA community and see who has tried it and whether it works. I have heard it just suppresses pain, but somewhere else I read it might actually stop inflammation, like an NSAID.

Let me put it this way, the jury is still out! (At least in my head!)

 

[WarriorForChrist]

Please do not do this. My SIL had breast cancer back in 2012. She had surgery, then months of chemo and then radiation. She is doing well, 4 years in remission. It was hard on her then, but she is grateful she did the right protocols.

See how big the double blind studies for the herbs you are taking are. Oh, right! There are none! That is why you simply should never rely on testimonials, or someone trying to sell something, either in person or on the internet. I think you need to talk seriously to your doctor, and he will show you this is the worst course of action you can take.

I will pray that you will change your feelings about this, and get some reputable medicine to help you defeat this cancer.

Appreciate your concern but I have done a ton of research on Chemo and how it destroys your body. I don't see how killing your immune system helps at all. The biggest reason not to do chemo is that it actually gives you cancer. The reason a company won't spend billions of dollars to test natural remedies is because they can't patent natural cures or remedies. I have prayed about this and this is what I was lead to by the Lord. Even before doing the 4 rounds of chemo I did do, I felt it was very wrong and wish I would have never did any chemo at all.

 

[KohenMatt]

If my doctor suggested it, I would pray about it. I am certainly using a lot of pain killers and prednisone right now, so if it was legal and maybe recommended, I would consider it. Well, technically, medical marijuana is legal, so I guess that might be your answer. (i.e. I am not using it right now!)

I think I would also talk to the RA community and see who has tried it and whether it works. I have heard it just suppresses pain, but somewhere else I read it might actually stop inflammation, like an NSAID.

Let me put it this way, the jury is still out! (At least in my head!)

I agree with you. There is a difference between anecdotal proof and fact-based truth. Is it possible that marijuana will eventually be shown to definitevly work? Absolutely. But despite some of the health concerns with medication and chemo, there is a proven track-record of success with it.

It isn't a cut and dry decision.

 

[mar09]

While I appreciate the sentiments expressed in this post there are some inaccuracies here.

One of the biggest myths that circulate around herbal remedies is that they cannot harm you - that is complete nonsense.
Many people also have similar views about more conventional medications that are available "over-the-counter".
Paracetamol, for example, causes more medication-related deaths than any other medication known.
(I am not referring to deliberate overdose here either.)
Of course, the reason is partly due to the fact that it is also the most commonly taken medication on the planet.
Paracetamol can be very safe when it is appropriately selected, but it can be deadly when taken in the wrong situations.

The key point here is that no agent, howsoever marketed, that actually works (has a pharmaceutical effect) can be said to be unequivocally and unconditionally safe.

Jonah is absolutely correct in advising that individuals consult with their doctors before taking ANY pharmaceutical agent, whether marketed as herbal or traditional, or not.
This is even more important if one is already taking medication for other purposes.

Disclaimer: I am a physician. I have no pecuniary interest in any pharmaceutical or herbal remedy company. I will not answer any questions related to specific agents. The content above should be interpreted as general advice only.

Here it is commonly heard, Biogesic, the safest pain reliever. I think that was part of a commercial before, and has stuck in many people's minds. So when is it deadly as you say? Tnx.

 

[mar09]

There are many conventional medications that are both safe and effective, and used properly the pose no danger, herbal remedies and essential oils are the most effective and side effect free way of treating certain conditions, from pain to gout and even cancer, (I never recommend using these without consulting a doctor) these substances never have side effects and the are effective a targeting specific conditions when properly understood and administered, however the 4th cause of poisoning in the U.S. is with herbal medications, this is because many underestimate their potency and over use them, if you do choose to use them please educate yourself and most importantly if your currently taking conventional medications CONSULT YOUR DOCTOR FIRST as some interactions can be deadly.

Yes, we have to learn abt them. not just take them as someone else suggested or recommended. It isnt as if we'd just take or use a lozenge or suppository just bec. it worked with someone else. What i dont understand is how skeptical, how scared people are to use or even eat herbs in just the right proportions.. or spices... How come we cannot eat a tablespoon of cinnamon, for example? When they are incorporated in our favorite cinammon rolls or other recipe, do we really mind? How abt when some other more harmful substance like high fructose corn syrup is in the other food we take regularly? What do we most care, as long as it is yummy-).

 

[TonyJay]

Here it is commonly heard, Biogesic, the safest pain reliever. I think that was part of a commercial before, and has stuck in many people's minds. So when is it deadly as you say? Tnx.

Because Paracetamol is, in general, a very safe analgesic (painkiller) and antipyretic (used to treat fever) the mistake is to assume that it is ALWAYS safe.
This, however, is not so.
Individuals that belong to the following categories are most at risk from Paracetamol: alcoholics, the malnourished, extreme old age, patients who cannot eat for an extended period of time (say because of complications after surgery), chronic liver disease, anorexia nervosa, and others as well.
The key theme that connects all of these together is poor nutrition.
Because of the way Paracetamol is metabolised in the liver if an individual has poor nutrition then the liver will produce toxic metabolites that actually kill liver cells. Taken to the extreme this is fatal.
(This is the way people die from Paracetamol overdose - the liver's usual metabolic pathways for Paracetamol are overwhelmed and so the toxic metabolites are produced instead.)

Otherwise healthy people taking Paracetamol as prescribed for only a couple of days will almost never run into trouble.

 

[mar09]

Cont.
Let me add this here after all... Did we know cinnamon has 68% DV of Manganese in a tablespoon? (I didnt.) Why would God put that in a tablespoon, i asked... And cloves 98%, ginger 70%. Some are significantly high in iron, vit.K, b6, or other. We werent spicy loving ppl, but recently when there seems to be a few extra spice bottles in the kitchen, someone probably thot a bottle wsa just any other and thot to remove and declutter. One i noticed that disappeared was the paprika-- and now i just learned it is 71% vit.A, while cayenne pepper 44%.

 

[Pamella]

Appreciate your concern but I have done a ton of research on Chemo and how it destroys your body. I don't see how killing your immune system helps at all. The biggest reason not to do chemo is that it actually gives you cancer. The reason a company won't spend billions of dollars to test natural remedies is because they can't patent natural cures or remedies. I have prayed about this and this is what I was lead to by the Lord. Even before doing the 4 rounds of chemo I did do, I felt it was very wrong and wish I would have never did any chemo at all.

Do you know exactley what you are going to do yet? Sorry to hear you have this.

I've heard cancer loves sugar.

 

[jaybird88]

what do you think about herbal remedies, or all natural products for health.

speaking in the mindset of ... Did God design us to be healed naturally?

i think health remedies our Lord designed are much better than those designed by mankind.

 

[gotime]

Please do not do this. My SIL had breast cancer back in 2012. She had surgery, then months of chemo and then radiation. She is doing well, 4 years in remission. It was hard on her then, but she is grateful she did the right protocols.

See how big the double blind studies for the herbs you are taking are. Oh, right! There are none! That is why you simply should never rely on testimonials, or someone trying to sell something, either in person or on the internet. I think you need to talk seriously to your doctor, and he will show you this is the worst course of action you can take.

I will pray that you will change your feelings about this, and get some reputable medicine to help you defeat this cancer.

Have you actually seen the statistics on radiation treatment. Very low success rate. I am glad the Lady you spoke of was one of the few who got well. But this is not the case for many. I have personally seen the natural method work on numerous people to heal cancer. There are studies out there that are quite thorough on the natural method but not in mainstream studies because it would cost the companies if everyone started using these methods.

I am not against medicine as there are many helps out there. But radiation treatment is statistically suicidal. A good combination of statistically proven medicine and natural treatments is the best option in my opinion.

There are two extremes, Those who say don't bother with natural remedies. These are frankly unlearned in their studies on these things.

Then there are those who say don't go to your doctor and don't use any of their treatments. Again unlearned people say this.

There is a middle ground where people have studies both the accepted medical studies and the natural studies outside of the mainstream studies. these take what works from both camps and have the highest success rates of healing there are.

Don't be fooled there are many studies out there on natural methods of healing. Its just the money holders don't like them and wont put any money into the studies to see if it works.

I have worked with natural methods for many years now and some don't work and others very much do work. either way there is no guarantee. But in my experience the rates of success are much higher in the middle group than those who go for radiation. And even those who lose their battle on the more natural side, actually have a much better quality of life in their last days.

Blessings.

 

[thepsalmist]

what do you think about herbal remedies, or all natural products for health.

speaking in the mindset of ... Did God design us to be healed naturally?

Woke up in serious muscle pain this evening and as I took my remedy for it I thought of your thread here.

Six months ago I would have popped a synthetic pill for sure - a Tylenol maybe.

But I have learned a few things since I started a more healthy lifestyle with bodybuilding and new health foods diet.

Now if I have aches and muscle pains I go for what God prescribes and provides ...protein, potassium, B6 & B12. (protein shake of whey isolate to repair the muscle tissue and ergo ease the pain, a banana for potassium to repair and ease the pain, and the b vitamins to speed up the absorption of the protein)

Tylenol dulls the pain without fixing the problem ... but that's what our world tends to do on all fronts...isn't it?

A bowl of healthy cereal with milk and a sliced up banana for those who don't bodybuild ... is a far better alternative that heals and repairs rather than an empty pain killer that does nothing but pollute to dull the pain temporarily.

It's all about knowledge.

Daniel ate what God prescribed and he was quicker. better, faster than the rest ... let's do the same.

 

[pottersclay]

I've had both radiation and chemotherapy together....I am a year out and all is well so far. The tumor was destroyed in fact there was nothing to biopsies. Stage 3 colon cancer praise God for his hand on this journey. Was going to do the natural with baking soda and other things in a diet plan. Prayed about it and the Lord directed my steps. Been a long road but the Lord is faithful.

 

[WarriorForChrist]

Do you know exactley what you are going to do yet? Sorry to hear you have this.

I've heard cancer loves sugar.

For starters a total change of eating. Sugar is one of the things that is out of my diet. Red meats is totally out of diet as well. The majority of my food are veggies and every now and then I eat fish, chicken, turkey etc... Another thing I am doing is trying to keep my body in an akaline state instead of acidic. Cancer can't live in an Alkaline state. Neutral is 7 and anything above that is akaline state. I am also taking around 2,000 mg of Vit C daily, Theracurmin, and when it gets here will be taking a product called MMS. It is a toal life change but it is worth it. There are plenty of people who have survived stage 4 cancer when doctors have sent them home to die.

 

[tourist]

what do you think about herbal remedies, or all natural products for health.

speaking in the mindset of ... Did God design us to be healed naturally?

I believe a lot depends on what needs to be healed. I am all for herbal remedies and natural products that are safer and more effective than prescription medicine but in a lot of instances prescription medicine is the way to go to provide relief from pain and relief of the symptoms that make you sick. It is rare for a disease or condition to actually be healed with either medical treatment or herbal remedies but it is certainly possible to alleviate the pain and suffering. In any case, it is really God that does the healing if that is what He chooses to do. Whether He heals you or not He understands your pain and is with you always.

 

[thepsalmist]

North Americans ingest way too much processed foods and red meat (cancer causing foods) while avoiding what the body needs: whole grains, fruits, veggies, seeds and nuts (cancer fighting foods).

 

[WarriorForChrist]

North Americans ingest way too much processed foods and red meat (cancer causing foods) while avoiding what the body needs: whole grains, fruits, veggies, seeds and nuts (cancer fighting foods).

You are 100% correct. One thing that I am finding is how much it costs to eat healthy lol. We had to up our grocery budget another 200 a month just to buy the organic food.

 

[Angela53510]

Because Paracetamol is, in general, a very safe analgesic (painkiller) and antipyretic (used to treat fever) the mistake is to assume that it is ALWAYS safe.
This, however, is not so.
Individuals that belong to the following categories are most at risk from Paracetamol: alcoholics, the malnourished, extreme old age, patients who cannot eat for an extended period of time (say because of complications after surgery), chronic liver disease, anorexia nervosa, and others as well.
The key theme that connects all of these together is poor nutrition.
Because of the way Paracetamol is metabolised in the liver if an individual has poor nutrition then the liver will produce toxic metabolites that actually kill liver cells. Taken to the extreme this is fatal.
(This is the way people die from Paracetamol overdose - the liver's usual metabolic pathways for Paracetamol are overwhelmed and so the toxic metabolites are produced instead.)

Otherwise healthy people taking Paracetamol as prescribed for only a couple of days will almost never run into trouble.

I was on Tylenol, which I think is Paractamol by Doctor prescription for at least 10 years for pain. I finally got off, and found I didn't need it, if I did weights and stretched for my neck and back.

When I started on my chemo drugs for RA, most of them affected my liver, limiting my treatment options. I won't allow it in my house now. I think it is a deadly OTC, if the concerns are not addressed, and it is used long term.

The doctor who prescribed it had been a pharmacist. It is hard to believe he didn't know that!

 

[thepsalmist]

You are 100% correct. One thing that I am finding is how much it costs to eat healthy lol. We had to up our grocery budget another 200 a month just to buy the organic food.

I actually found the transition saved me money ... take-out food, processed foods, cheeses, red meats are not cheap ...

God blessed me by opening a new fruit and veggie market right after I started changing my diet ... the prices are halved there compared to my supermarket. His way of encouraging me in the endeavor, I am SURE.

Oh yes ... and I never win anything! lol ... but a couple weeks ago I won 50 bucks for that fruit and veggie market. God gives good gifts!

 

[Grace777x70]

You are 100% correct. One thing that I am finding is how much it costs to eat healthy lol. We had to up our grocery budget another 200 a month just to buy the organic food.

Not all things need to be bought organic. There are a number of things that do not get pesticide use on them. Here is a link that shows what foods to buy organic and which ones are clean.

https://www.ewg.org/foodnews/summary.php

We can also buy from the farmer at farmers markets too which I suppose you might already do.

 

[Angela53510]

You are 100% correct. One thing that I am finding is how much it costs to eat healthy lol. We had to up our grocery budget another 200 a month just to buy the organic food.

You need to grow your own vegetables. For one thing, they are fresher and tastier than the organic veggies bought in stores, and they really don't cost any money. I used to have chickens, and they were also a good source of organic, free range eggs. Although where I live now, it seems you can get free range eggs anywhere.