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It's from God it's simply the bodies reaction to God's power. God is not "doing it" to you, your body is reacting to his presence, just like alcohol different people can take only so much before they get tipsy and sometimes even fall over. I've seen it happen to individuals in regular sunday traditional church services during hymns and prayer, so I know it is not something that is only mass hysteria pentecostal crazy houses. It's a rather beautiful and graceful thing when isolated from the mass of hysteria normally associated with it. It can even happen in your private quiet times. The thing is I doubt people spend much more than 10 minutes in prayer a day they will never really experience it. Peter fell into a trance during or after deep extended times of prayer.
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when i first got saved i went forward in a service for the baptism in the spirit in a service and didnt get it ..went home to pray about it.. god deals with everyone different everyone else got the baptism.. next night im at a full gospel business mens meeting a man was preaching stopped half way through and says i want to pray for you after the service pointing at me.. so there iam he anoints me with oil and gave me a word of knowledge about unforgiveness and anger toward my father.i just broke right there and he took me aside and i shared my heart with him ... it was gods own personal dealing with me that night im watching the news on television and with a couple of friends felt stone cold normal..then i started speaking in tounges as the holy spirit gave me the utterance, and my friends got touched by the lord and got the holy laughter.and i was under that anointing for about half an hour .it was god this was yrs before toronto and rodney howard browne... i prayed about it and the friend brian i was staying with showed me that when dereck prince was saved he got the holy laughter in his army barrack room.. and when smith wigglesworth too from sunderland took the baptism fireback to his church the bowland street mission in bradford the spirit of god poured out the holy laughter ...i do believe its of god,, though the extemes of toronto and lakeland and rodneyhoward browne i think are just false fire.....and alot of this drunkeness in the holyghost is nothing more than a holy rolling carnival .... i believe the lord deos release this but when man tries to imatate it in a soulish way it becomes an abomination.. and an imatation of the real movings of the holy spirit
when i first got saved i went forward in a service for the baptism in the spirit in a service and didnt get it ..went home to pray about it.. god deals with everyone differently everyone else got the baptism.. next night im at a full gospel business mens meeting a man was preaching stopped half way through and says i want to pray for you after the service pointing at me.. so there iam he anoints me with oil and gave me a word of knowledge about unforgiveness and anger toward my father.i just broke right there and he took me aside and i shared my heart with him ... it was gods own personal dealing with me that night im watching the news on television and with a couple of friends felt stone cold normal..then i started speaking in tounges as the holy spirit gave me the utterance, and my friends got touched by the lord and got the holy laughter.and i was under that anointing for about half an hour .it was god this was yrs before toronto and rodney howard browne... i prayed about it and the friend brian i was staying with showed me that when dereck prince was saved he got the holy laughter in his army barrack room.. and when smith wigglesworth too from sunderland took the baptism fireback to his church the bowland street mission in bradford the spirit of god poured out the holy laughter ...i do believe its of god,, though the extemes of toronto and lakeland and rodneyhoward browne i think are just false fire.....and alot of this drunkeness in the holyghost is nothing more than a holy rolling carnival .... i believe the lord deos release this but when man tries to imatate it in a soulish way it becomes an abomination.. and an imatation of the real movings of the holy spirit
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I did not grow up as a Christian, so I wasn't even aware of this until I visited my granddad's church. Whenever my brother and I would visit him, he would take us to an Assembly of God church, i.e. lots of speaking in tongues and people flailing about. As a 14 year old boy I can say that it really freaked me out. There was one time, there, when I saw someone 'faking' it, and then I saw it as an act to perform. 'Everyone else is flailing around on the floor, so I guess I should too.' I have since struggled with the whole concept. It is a personal issue for every believer, and I personally have not been thrown to the floor, or spoke in an unknown language as the Spirit gave me utterance. I have felt the presence of the Holy Spirit in my heart, mind, and body, and when I pray, I usually begin with asking the Spirit of Christ to guide my thoughts and prayers. I think specifically, some people really need an experiential conversion/worship/prayer life, and the Lord gives them what they need. Our mighty Creator is so vast and complex that it should not surprise us when He deals with us all in unique and interesting ways. May the Lord bless you all, and may you stay in His will forever!
being 'drunk in the Spirit' isn't in the bible..
being soberminded is
using your whole mind body and soul is
letting go of your mind is not
would God cause confusion and disorder?
From Paul to the Corinthian church who were doing the kind of 'drunk in the Spirit' practices..
(1Co 13:1) Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
(1Co 13:2) And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
(1Co 14:26) How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.
(1Co 14:33) For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
(1Co 14:40) Let all things be done decently and in order.
(Tit 2:6) Young men likewise exhort to be sober minded.
(Tit 2:7) In all things shewing thyself a pattern of good works: in doctrine shewing uncorruptness, gravity, sincerity,
(Tit 2:8) Sound speech, that cannot be condemned; that he that is of the contrary part may be ashamed, having no evil thing to say of you.
Proverbs 29:11 A fool uttereth all his mind: but a wise man keepeth it in till afterwards.
Luke 8:35 Then they went out to see what was done; and came to Jesus, and found the man, out of whom the devils were departed, sitting at the feet of Jesus, clothed, and in his right mind: and they were afraid.
Luke 10:27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
I could go on..
point being.. the kind of things like 'holy laughter'.. 'being drunk in the Spirit'... etc.. these are pagan things.. that Paul admonished the Corinthian church not to be part of.
As for Acts..
(Act 2:8) And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
(Act 2:9) Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,
(Act 2:10) Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,
(Act 2:11) Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.
(Act 2:12) And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this?
(Act 2:13) Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.
(Act 2:14) But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:
(Act 2:15) For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.
These men weren't out of control.. raving mad.. rolling on the floor.. they were speaking the gospel, teaching in the language of the hearers.
being soberminded is
using your whole mind body and soul is
letting go of your mind is not
would God cause confusion and disorder?
From Paul to the Corinthian church who were doing the kind of 'drunk in the Spirit' practices..
(1Co 13:1) Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
(1Co 13:2) And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
(1Co 14:26) How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.
(1Co 14:33) For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
(1Co 14:40) Let all things be done decently and in order.
(Tit 2:6) Young men likewise exhort to be sober minded.
(Tit 2:7) In all things shewing thyself a pattern of good works: in doctrine shewing uncorruptness, gravity, sincerity,
(Tit 2:8) Sound speech, that cannot be condemned; that he that is of the contrary part may be ashamed, having no evil thing to say of you.
Proverbs 29:11 A fool uttereth all his mind: but a wise man keepeth it in till afterwards.
Luke 8:35 Then they went out to see what was done; and came to Jesus, and found the man, out of whom the devils were departed, sitting at the feet of Jesus, clothed, and in his right mind: and they were afraid.
Luke 10:27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
I could go on..
point being.. the kind of things like 'holy laughter'.. 'being drunk in the Spirit'... etc.. these are pagan things.. that Paul admonished the Corinthian church not to be part of.
As for Acts..
(Act 2:8) And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
(Act 2:9) Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,
(Act 2:10) Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,
(Act 2:11) Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.
(Act 2:12) And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this?
(Act 2:13) Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.
(Act 2:14) But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:
(Act 2:15) For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.
These men weren't out of control.. raving mad.. rolling on the floor.. they were speaking the gospel, teaching in the language of the hearers.
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I'm torn on this issue. I went to one of my friends wedding's and when she was up there doing her vows she started almost falling down on her knees, laughing hysterically, shaking and jumping up and down. It was really weird and seemed very inappropriate, everyone was just kind of looking at each other like.. What in the world! She later explained her behavior as being drunk in the spirit.
I don't know. It seemed like a very odd time to be drunk in the spirit, it seemed very out of place with what was goin on. I just have a hard time believing anyone is really drunk in the spirit. To me it all looks like a big show.
I don't know. It seemed like a very odd time to be drunk in the spirit, it seemed very out of place with what was goin on. I just have a hard time believing anyone is really drunk in the spirit. To me it all looks like a big show.
Wait a minute.. that is just their perception. They just seemed drunk to the watchers.
The fact is they were sharing God's Word with the people around them in the language of the hearers.
Peter even declared they weren't drunk.
(Eph 5:15) See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise,
(Eph 5:16) Redeeming the time, because the days are evil.
(Eph 5:17) Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.
(Eph 5:18) And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;
being filled with the Spirit doesn't mean rolling around on the floor.. speaking in ecstatic utterances.. having a mental breakdown.. having holy laughter etc..
being filled with the Spirit means someone who is already saved is allowing the Holy Spirit to lead them.. and do more with them. This comes through meditating on the Word and applying it to your life.
The fact is they were sharing God's Word with the people around them in the language of the hearers.
Peter even declared they weren't drunk.
(Eph 5:15) See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise,
(Eph 5:16) Redeeming the time, because the days are evil.
(Eph 5:17) Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.
(Eph 5:18) And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;
being filled with the Spirit doesn't mean rolling around on the floor.. speaking in ecstatic utterances.. having a mental breakdown.. having holy laughter etc..
being filled with the Spirit means someone who is already saved is allowing the Holy Spirit to lead them.. and do more with them. This comes through meditating on the Word and applying it to your life.
They seemed drunk to the watchers because of their drunkard behaviour. If they did appear sobre and were only speaking in another language, the watchers would have concluded "they are speaking another language", not that they were drunk. Their ecstatic shouts and falling over themselves must have given the appearance they were drunk. The old testament prophets behaved similarly and that can be shown from the old testament.
It is true that they did conclude they were drunk from their behaviour.. but to say their behaviour was ecstatic utterances etc.. isn't so certian.
Paul admonished the church at Corinth that their behaviour was not Godly and disorderly when they were manifesting these kind of things.
In Acts.. they did have the tongues of fire on their heads.. they were empowered by the Holy Spirit.. so it would have looked incredible and from outside.. but actually doing the likes of holy laughter.. ecstatic utterances etc? Those behaviours aren't really mentioned in Acts at that time.
But what was the Old Testament reference?
Paul admonished the church at Corinth that their behaviour was not Godly and disorderly when they were manifesting these kind of things.
In Acts.. they did have the tongues of fire on their heads.. they were empowered by the Holy Spirit.. so it would have looked incredible and from outside.. but actually doing the likes of holy laughter.. ecstatic utterances etc? Those behaviours aren't really mentioned in Acts at that time.
But what was the Old Testament reference?
I will find the references when I get home. For the most part it is unclear and unknown, and open to interpretation/opinion. Unfortunately they didn't have video cameras in those days. Regarding the church at Corinth, I don't know that it is a general rule prohibiting loud, boisterous or noisy assembly in any shape or form. If we claim that then I suppose we must also conclude that David and Saul and others should not have shouted, danced, and played tamborines and harps before the Lord with all their might, because they were being disorderly. I think the problem was in Corinthians, that it was getting in the way of the true purpose of church. People were using the gifts in a display of self importance to others. The teaching and preaching of the Word was not being heard. It does not rule out genuine spiritually emotional expression in an assembly if the time and occasion calls for it.
One example is the ecstatic prophet (I Sam. 19).
From:
http://www.religion-online.org/showchapter.asp?title=794&C=965
What, here, is the content of the noun "prophet" and the verb "prophesy"? Observe first that the phenomenon of prophecy is induced: Samuel says to Saul, "You will meet a band of prophets coming down from the high place with harp, tambourine, flute, and lyre before them, prophesying" (I Sam. 10:5) The ecstatic emotional state is at least in part produced and maintained by the use of music. Observe further that a total transformation in personality occurs: "You shall prophesy with them and be turned into another man" (vs. 6) Again, this state of prophesying is created and sustained as a group phenomenon. It can, further, be spread by contagion; it can be "caught." It is popularly interpreted as seizure by the deity, in which regard the prevailing, but not exclusive (10:6 reads "Spirit of Yahweh") , divine name employed is the weak and colorless ‘elohim. This is in any case a different kind of seizure from the charisma, the more or less permanent "endowment" of a chosen person by the Spirit of Yahweh (e.g., I Sam. 16:13 if.) , a phenomenon which belongs centrally to Israel and Yahwism.
From:
http://www.religion-online.org/showchapter.asp?title=794&C=965
What, here, is the content of the noun "prophet" and the verb "prophesy"? Observe first that the phenomenon of prophecy is induced: Samuel says to Saul, "You will meet a band of prophets coming down from the high place with harp, tambourine, flute, and lyre before them, prophesying" (I Sam. 10:5) The ecstatic emotional state is at least in part produced and maintained by the use of music. Observe further that a total transformation in personality occurs: "You shall prophesy with them and be turned into another man" (vs. 6) Again, this state of prophesying is created and sustained as a group phenomenon. It can, further, be spread by contagion; it can be "caught." It is popularly interpreted as seizure by the deity, in which regard the prevailing, but not exclusive (10:6 reads "Spirit of Yahweh") , divine name employed is the weak and colorless ‘elohim. This is in any case a different kind of seizure from the charisma, the more or less permanent "endowment" of a chosen person by the Spirit of Yahweh (e.g., I Sam. 16:13 if.) , a phenomenon which belongs centrally to Israel and Yahwism.