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what does Jesus say of communion though to begin an explaination if it like that you know? where did communion begin for His followers and what did He say to them about why they were to do it? doesn't that kind of factor into the thinking. also paul did not only teach grace. he taught repentance and that those who do not repent will not uinherit the kingdom of God, He taught the importance of obeying the teachings of the gospel ect....
anyways Jesus says of communion "do this in rememberance of me" maybe factor that into the equation about communion. if a heart holds to the body broken and the blood shed if that is always present in thought, there is every reason to live a worthy life of His sacrifice. remeberance of the one who said " if you love me you will obey my commandments"
another thing about sin, sin is personal and anything that doesn't come from faith is sin or in other words " anyone who knows what is right and does not do it, sins." james 4:17 so if you tell your kid to clean their room, and they don't do it they have sinned. they knew what they were supposed to do, and didn't do it. that's sin. you gotta know whats right, and gotta choose not to do it. or in pauls reference the verse before the one you mentioned the one who doubts and eats is condemned, whatever is not of faith is sin. so if you believe somethings not right, don't do it. its sin. so either way if you know its wrong don't do it, if you know its right, do it. same as the law =don't do these things, and the kingdom =do these things.
Originally Posted by Stephen63
I suggest you read your Bible:
1 Corinthians 11:25-32 (NASB)
[SUP]25 [/SUP]In the same way He took the cup also after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood; do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me." [SUP]26 [/SUP]For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until He comes. [SUP]27 [/SUP]Therefore whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner, shall be guilty of the body and the blood of the Lord. [SUP]28 [/SUP]But a man must examine himself, and in so doing he is to eat of the bread and drink of the cup.[SUP]29 [/SUP]For he who eats and drinks, eats and drinks judgment to himself if he does not judge the body rightly. [SUP]30 [/SUP]For this reason many among you are weak and sick, and a number sleep. [SUP]31 [/SUP]But if we judged ourselves rightly, we would not be judged. [SUP]32 [/SUP]But when we are judged, we are disciplined by the Lord so that we will not be condemned along with the world.
1 Corinthians 11:25-32 (NLT)
[SUP]25 [/SUP]In the same way, he took the cup of wine after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant between God and his people—an agreement confirmed with my blood. Do this to remember me as often as you drink it.” [SUP]26 [/SUP]For every time you eat this bread and drink this cup, you are announcing the Lord’s death until he comes again.[SUP]27 [/SUP]So anyone who eats this bread or drinks this cup of the Lord unworthily is guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord. [SUP]28 [/SUP]That is why you should examine yourself before eating the bread and drinking the cup. [SUP]29 [/SUP]For if you eat the bread or drink the cup without honoring the body of Christ, you are eating and drinking God’s judgment upon yourself. [SUP]30 [/SUP]That is why many of you are weak and sick and some have even died. [SUP]31 [/SUP]But if we would examine ourselves, we would not be judged by God in this way. [SUP]32 [/SUP]Yet when we are judged by the Lord, we are being disciplined so that we will not be condemned along with the world.
1 Corinthians 11:25-32 (YLT)
[SUP]25 [/SUP]In like manner also the cup after the supping, saying, `This cup is the new covenant in my blood; this do ye, as often as ye may drink it --to the remembrance of me;' [SUP]26 [/SUP]for as often as ye may eat this bread, and this cup may drink, the death of the Lord ye do shew forth--till he may come; [SUP]27 [/SUP]so that whoever may eat this bread or may drink the cup of the Lord unworthily, guilty he shall be of the body and blood of the Lord: [SUP]28 [/SUP]and let a man be proving himself, and so of the bread let him eat, and of the cup let him drink; [SUP]29 [/SUP]for he who is eating and drinking unworthily, judgment to himself he doth eat and drink--not discerning the body of the Lord. [SUP]30 [/SUP]Because of this, among you many are weak and sickly, and sleep do many; [SUP]31 [/SUP]for if ourselves we were discerning, we would not be being judged, [SUP]32 [/SUP]and being judged by the Lord, we are chastened, that with the world we may not be condemned;
Receiving communion "unworthily" means taking it with unconfessed, unrepentant sin in your life. If you knew the scriptures, you'd know the Corinthians had a lot of that.
There have been many interpretations of just what qualifies as “unworthily.” A severe interpretation would suggest that any deed or thought in a person’s life that has not been confessed and repented of would make that individual unworthy. Since the Scripture says “whatsoever is not of faith is sin” (Romans 14:23), very few people would ever qualify as worthy to partake of communion. Plus, this would make our relationship with the Lord in communion dependent on our performance, and this is contrary to the very act of atonement that the Lord’s Supper reminds us of.
It is most likely that what makes people worthy or unworthy is whether or not they have been born again (see note 2 at John 3:3). This would also be totally consistent with the doctrine of grace that Paul constantly preached (see note 2 at Romans 3:22 and note 11 at Romans 4:8).
There were unbelievers among the true Christians, just as Jesus prophesied (see note 1 at Matthew 13:37), and this still exists today. It is a dangerous offense for an unbeliever to take the Lord’s Supper (see note 2 at Luke 22:19).
People who profess salvation through partaking of communion yet do not possess it, because true faith is not present, become guilty of the body and blood of the Lord (this verse). Those people will not be able to claim ignorance when they stand before God. The Lord’s Supper clearly preaches the Gospel.
Therefore, when taking communion, the people should examine themselves (see note 9 at 1 Corinthians 11:28) to see whether or not they are in the faith (2 Corinthians 13:5). It is an individual evaluation that ministers are not authorized to make for others, but ministers should make Paul’s warnings here in 1 Corinthians 11 known to others when administering communion.
Note 8 at 1 Corinthians 11:27:
This warning about being “guilty of the body and blood of the Lord” has caused fear in the hearts of many believers. They fear that if they aren’t just right when they partake of communion, they may be damned (1 Corinthians 11:29). This is inconsistent with all of Paul’s other teachings about relationship with the Lord through grace (see notes 1 and 2 at Romans 5:1, note 15 at Romans 5:8, and note 16 at Romans 5:9).
We Christians do not partake of the Lord’s Supper unworthily, even if we have sin in our lives (see note 7 at this verse). If we truly worship the Lord through communion, we have to do that in spirit and in truth (John 4:24), and our born-again spirits are perfect (see note 3 at Matthew 26:41 and note 11 at Romans 4:8), regardless of how our flesh is (see note 3 at Romans 7:18). The apparent problems with this verse are removed when “unworthily” is interpreted as referring to those who are not born again (see note 2 at John 3:3).
Paul was saying that those who are not saved yet partake of communion are professing a lie (see note 5 at 1 Corinthians 11:26). As Jesus said, “If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth” (John 9:41). Judgment is easier on those who are ignorant (see note 5 at Luke 12:48), but those who take communion cannot claim ignorance. If they partake of the Lord’s Supper “unworthily” (i.e., not born again), those people become without excuse. They are guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
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anyways Jesus says of communion "do this in rememberance of me" maybe factor that into the equation about communion. if a heart holds to the body broken and the blood shed if that is always present in thought, there is every reason to live a worthy life of His sacrifice. remeberance of the one who said " if you love me you will obey my commandments"
another thing about sin, sin is personal and anything that doesn't come from faith is sin or in other words " anyone who knows what is right and does not do it, sins." james 4:17 so if you tell your kid to clean their room, and they don't do it they have sinned. they knew what they were supposed to do, and didn't do it. that's sin. you gotta know whats right, and gotta choose not to do it. or in pauls reference the verse before the one you mentioned the one who doubts and eats is condemned, whatever is not of faith is sin. so if you believe somethings not right, don't do it. its sin. so either way if you know its wrong don't do it, if you know its right, do it. same as the law =don't do these things, and the kingdom =do these things.
I suggest you read your Bible:
1 Corinthians 11:25-32 (NASB)
[SUP]25 [/SUP]In the same way He took the cup also after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood; do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me." [SUP]26 [/SUP]For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until He comes. [SUP]27 [/SUP]Therefore whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner, shall be guilty of the body and the blood of the Lord. [SUP]28 [/SUP]But a man must examine himself, and in so doing he is to eat of the bread and drink of the cup.[SUP]29 [/SUP]For he who eats and drinks, eats and drinks judgment to himself if he does not judge the body rightly. [SUP]30 [/SUP]For this reason many among you are weak and sick, and a number sleep. [SUP]31 [/SUP]But if we judged ourselves rightly, we would not be judged. [SUP]32 [/SUP]But when we are judged, we are disciplined by the Lord so that we will not be condemned along with the world.
1 Corinthians 11:25-32 (NLT)
[SUP]25 [/SUP]In the same way, he took the cup of wine after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant between God and his people—an agreement confirmed with my blood. Do this to remember me as often as you drink it.” [SUP]26 [/SUP]For every time you eat this bread and drink this cup, you are announcing the Lord’s death until he comes again.[SUP]27 [/SUP]So anyone who eats this bread or drinks this cup of the Lord unworthily is guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord. [SUP]28 [/SUP]That is why you should examine yourself before eating the bread and drinking the cup. [SUP]29 [/SUP]For if you eat the bread or drink the cup without honoring the body of Christ, you are eating and drinking God’s judgment upon yourself. [SUP]30 [/SUP]That is why many of you are weak and sick and some have even died. [SUP]31 [/SUP]But if we would examine ourselves, we would not be judged by God in this way. [SUP]32 [/SUP]Yet when we are judged by the Lord, we are being disciplined so that we will not be condemned along with the world.
1 Corinthians 11:25-32 (YLT)
[SUP]25 [/SUP]In like manner also the cup after the supping, saying, `This cup is the new covenant in my blood; this do ye, as often as ye may drink it --to the remembrance of me;' [SUP]26 [/SUP]for as often as ye may eat this bread, and this cup may drink, the death of the Lord ye do shew forth--till he may come; [SUP]27 [/SUP]so that whoever may eat this bread or may drink the cup of the Lord unworthily, guilty he shall be of the body and blood of the Lord: [SUP]28 [/SUP]and let a man be proving himself, and so of the bread let him eat, and of the cup let him drink; [SUP]29 [/SUP]for he who is eating and drinking unworthily, judgment to himself he doth eat and drink--not discerning the body of the Lord. [SUP]30 [/SUP]Because of this, among you many are weak and sickly, and sleep do many; [SUP]31 [/SUP]for if ourselves we were discerning, we would not be being judged, [SUP]32 [/SUP]and being judged by the Lord, we are chastened, that with the world we may not be condemned;
Receiving communion "unworthily" means taking it with unconfessed, unrepentant sin in your life. If you knew the scriptures, you'd know the Corinthians had a lot of that.
There have been many interpretations of just what qualifies as “unworthily.” A severe interpretation would suggest that any deed or thought in a person’s life that has not been confessed and repented of would make that individual unworthy. Since the Scripture says “whatsoever is not of faith is sin” (Romans 14:23), very few people would ever qualify as worthy to partake of communion. Plus, this would make our relationship with the Lord in communion dependent on our performance, and this is contrary to the very act of atonement that the Lord’s Supper reminds us of.
It is most likely that what makes people worthy or unworthy is whether or not they have been born again (see note 2 at John 3:3). This would also be totally consistent with the doctrine of grace that Paul constantly preached (see note 2 at Romans 3:22 and note 11 at Romans 4:8).
There were unbelievers among the true Christians, just as Jesus prophesied (see note 1 at Matthew 13:37), and this still exists today. It is a dangerous offense for an unbeliever to take the Lord’s Supper (see note 2 at Luke 22:19).
People who profess salvation through partaking of communion yet do not possess it, because true faith is not present, become guilty of the body and blood of the Lord (this verse). Those people will not be able to claim ignorance when they stand before God. The Lord’s Supper clearly preaches the Gospel.
Therefore, when taking communion, the people should examine themselves (see note 9 at 1 Corinthians 11:28) to see whether or not they are in the faith (2 Corinthians 13:5). It is an individual evaluation that ministers are not authorized to make for others, but ministers should make Paul’s warnings here in 1 Corinthians 11 known to others when administering communion.
Note 8 at 1 Corinthians 11:27:
This warning about being “guilty of the body and blood of the Lord” has caused fear in the hearts of many believers. They fear that if they aren’t just right when they partake of communion, they may be damned (1 Corinthians 11:29). This is inconsistent with all of Paul’s other teachings about relationship with the Lord through grace (see notes 1 and 2 at Romans 5:1, note 15 at Romans 5:8, and note 16 at Romans 5:9).
We Christians do not partake of the Lord’s Supper unworthily, even if we have sin in our lives (see note 7 at this verse). If we truly worship the Lord through communion, we have to do that in spirit and in truth (John 4:24), and our born-again spirits are perfect (see note 3 at Matthew 26:41 and note 11 at Romans 4:8), regardless of how our flesh is (see note 3 at Romans 7:18). The apparent problems with this verse are removed when “unworthily” is interpreted as referring to those who are not born again (see note 2 at John 3:3).
Paul was saying that those who are not saved yet partake of communion are professing a lie (see note 5 at 1 Corinthians 11:26). As Jesus said, “If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth” (John 9:41). Judgment is easier on those who are ignorant (see note 5 at Luke 12:48), but those who take communion cannot claim ignorance. If they partake of the Lord’s Supper “unworthily” (i.e., not born again), those people become without excuse. They are guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
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What kind of a kind person?
Does it give you a bad feeling about God who wrote them?
I would think since it is God who defines what is kind according to his own kindness he would be the one that decides what is brutal and what is necessary to fulfill his will. Seeing this life is not the end of the matter.
In this world we will have tribulation.I would be careful on how we teach or share the portions of scripture that speaks of the kind of evils God does bring to discipline his children and warn others of His wrath. .But if a person starts to remove the sections that appear to offend us as a hard saying .What kind of good news would be left?
Does it give you a bad feeling about God who wrote them?
I would think since it is God who defines what is kind according to his own kindness he would be the one that decides what is brutal and what is necessary to fulfill his will. Seeing this life is not the end of the matter.
In this world we will have tribulation.I would be careful on how we teach or share the portions of scripture that speaks of the kind of evils God does bring to discipline his children and warn others of His wrath. .But if a person starts to remove the sections that appear to offend us as a hard saying .What kind of good news would be left?
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You have missed the point.
JP shouldn't be ignorant of the Bible, and that adds more shame on him for his erroneous teachings.
But a lot of his followers have only heard his false teachings, And they should see what the Bible actually says.
But until the do, they are ignorant of the Bible.
Context is key, and JP takes scriptures out of context to build his erroneous teachings.
Originally Posted by Miri
What is more important, dressing up to the world's standards (one mans dressing up is another
mans dressing down, heck some people think wearing a brightly coloured thong and face paint is
dressing up).
Or being clothed in righteousness.
What is more important, dressing up to the world's standards (one mans dressing up is another
mans dressing down, heck some people think wearing a brightly coloured thong and face paint is
dressing up).
Or being clothed in righteousness.
1Timothy 2:9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
I remember as a new believer visiting the house of one of the Elders and asked; why do you wear a suit and dress up for church?. He said ; well I am not about to dress down to go into the worship service . He owned 5 banks .I, in pride who worked in a foundry for 35 years was simply not focusing on Christ. I was blessed by what that Elder did when he took a step of faith..
But when a person removes the first half of the one breaking of bread ordinance (the head covering for woman and head uncovered for the man ) Then anything goes., the bread can become Jellow and the blood of the grape, lemonade.
It is a ceremonial law by which we are not to judge one another that points ahead but still has its purpose for the angels that long to look into salvation. It would seem that hair covering ordinance is all but lost in a few congregations. What’s next to go? The Bible as the one source of Christian faith.
When he comes will he find faith or just an old worn out religious book that cannot perform what it informs us it can?
1Co 11:10 For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.
WOW...that was great. Thank You for sharing that video. Imagine at the 2:05 mark that this preacher says "To know Jesus is life and to know Him is health."
Imagine the heresy of having our eyes open to see Jesus for who He really is. What will be the next things this "heretic" will say..."Maybe it will be that God actually loves us?"...stay tuned for further heretical statements from teachers that lift up the Lord Jesus Christ and show us the beauty of our Lord.
When we partake of Jesus we see Him for what He has truly done for us. How ironic that communion is to remember Jesus and what His death and blood was shed for the forgiveness of sins and this is exactly what is being said here. Seeing Jesus heals us of all things in this world and even death at the end is defeated. We have a great salvation in Christ.
It looks like malice has over-taken your eyes to see Jesus in what is being said. That is so sad but the Holy spirit will keep revealing the beauty of Jesus to you if you harden not your heart.
Hebrews 12:15
Imagine the heresy of having our eyes open to see Jesus for who He really is. What will be the next things this "heretic" will say..."Maybe it will be that God actually loves us?"...stay tuned for further heretical statements from teachers that lift up the Lord Jesus Christ and show us the beauty of our Lord.
When we partake of Jesus we see Him for what He has truly done for us. How ironic that communion is to remember Jesus and what His death and blood was shed for the forgiveness of sins and this is exactly what is being said here. Seeing Jesus heals us of all things in this world and even death at the end is defeated. We have a great salvation in Christ.
It looks like malice has over-taken your eyes to see Jesus in what is being said. That is so sad but the Holy spirit will keep revealing the beauty of Jesus to you if you harden not your heart.
Hebrews 12:15
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I sure can be silly and have fun doing it
however, God already DID tell a man to go about naked for 3 years, which you are denying
I'm not responding to you anymore because you refuse to actually address a post...calling people silly, stupid or whatever, actually only addresses your inability to comprehend what is being said
you actually sit there and deny that God already had someone, Isaiah go naked for 3 years
it is obvious what would happen...and I said so, you ignore that and just respond as though I am mentally deficient
God DID tell someone to go about naked and you sit there and say he would never do that